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Old 04-02-2018, 07:03 PM
Olefin Olefin is offline
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Originally Posted by ArmySGT. View Post
The Federal government doesn't even allow the National Guard to store available ammunition above 7.62N.

The State of California sure isnt going to let a civilian have hundreds of rounds of tank or artillery ammunition.

Anything over .50 BMG is regulated by the ATF and has to be purchased as a Destructive Device. Every single one of them on a Form 1 with stamp or it is Federal prison time for person in possession.

The required by Federal Law safeguards alone are cost prohibitive and failing to secure them properly is fines and possible jail too.

To say that Littlefield would have more than props or training/practice munitions is a huge stretch.

The man died of cancer.... There is no reason for that to be different in an alternate timeline with no different medical institutions.
And Littlefield had tanks with live barrels - and he didnt die from cancer till long after the V1 and V2 timeline - he died in January of 2009 after a decade long battle with colon cancer - would he be sick as hell yes - but in April of 2001 he would be alive -

And who said anything about hundreds of rounds of tank ammo - hell the US Army by April of 2001 would be lucky to have hundreds of rounds of tank ammo

Also you can buy and sell live main gun tanks rounds in the US - all you have to do is register it as a destructive device and pay the $200 transfer tax for every round of ammunition being sold to you. Littlefield was a multi-millionaire - he could easily pay that tax. Again the law states that you need a separate NFA title II tax stamp for each machine gun and cannon, and a permit for each explosive shell (explosive shell for the cannon). Now I can see why regular people would think that tax is cost prohibitive - but do the math - 200 main gun rounds at 200 bucks per round comes out to 40,000 bucks - i.e. enough rounds for the tanks he had with live barrels to fill their ammo racks - which for Littlefield would have been chump change - we arent talking about going to war for years here

And ArmySgt tank rounds are completely and totally LEGAL in the state of California - even today in 2018 let alone back in the 1990's

https://3gtactical.com/nfa/nfa-state-restrictions

I know its hard to believe but they are - you can own anything in California - all you need to do is have the license and pay the fee- and state that you will not fire the rounds or the destructive device

which means he could have as much live ammo as he wanted to - and I highly doubt by April/May of 2001 that anyone would be coming to arrest him for having live ammo or firing it - especially since the state had been invaded by the Mexicans

11 CCR 4128
(a) Except as provided in sections 30900 through 30945, 31050, 31055, and 31100 of the Penal Code, no person shall possess, transport, or sell any dangerous weapon in this state unless he/she has been granted a license and/or permit pursuant to these regulations.
(b) No license or permit shall be issued to any applicant who fails to establish good cause for such license or permit and that such license or permit would not endanger the public safety.
(c) To establish good cause, an applicant must provide the DOJ with clear and convincing evidence that there is a bona fide market or public necessity for the issuance of a dangerous weapons license or permit and that the applicant can satisfy that need without endangering public safety. Except as provided by Penal Code section 33300, good causes recognized by the DOJ to establish a bona fide necessity for issuance of dangerous weapons licenses or permits include the following:
(4) Possession for the purpose of maintaining a collection of destructive devices as defined in Penal Code section 16460 but such possession shall not be allowed for short-barreled shotguns, short-barreled rifles, machineguns or assault weapons.
(d) No license or permit shall be issued to any applicant who fails to comply with local zoning restrictions or local fire-protective services regulations or ordinances.
(e) The DOJ shall provide a notice of each license or permit issued to the Chief of Police or Sheriff having jurisdiction over the licensee or permittee's location. Copies of outstanding licenses and permits shall be provided to the Chief or Sheriff of jurisdiction upon request.

11 CCR 4135
(a) Documentation required to determine bona fide necessity for collecting destructive devices includes the following:
(1) A written statement from applicant certifying that he is a bona fide collector of destructive devices. The statement must identify the weapons or ordnance of interest to the collector and an estimate of the intended size of the collection.
(2) A written statement from applicant certifying that the weapon or ordinance will not be fired or discharged.

Last edited by Olefin; 04-02-2018 at 07:39 PM.