Enough rubble FFS!

[kalos72]

I just realized that they will have to clear roughly 50 square miles of rubble in order for my PC's to plant crops on Staten Island.

How many things can you build from concrete/brick rubble? A rubble perimeter wall, around everything what 10-12 feet high? Perhaps some really crappy one story buildings( anyone have images to suggest)?

Land fill to make the island bigger? Build a huge ass sea wall to make another port? Dump it out to sea? A wall around the whole friggin island?

Suggestions?

[Legbreaker]

Dump most in the river if possible, but be aware of how that will change the river channel. A flood/sea wall could be useful and of course it also doubles as a defensive wall.

One good thing is that the nukes that hit the city should have caused much of the flamable materials to ignite. There'd be a lot of ash, but that should prove easier to dispose of.

[jester]

Build a comcrete pier and breakwater so you have your own little protected harbor, add build an artificial reef too, so that only you know the route, or if its know so that anyone entering needs to go slow thus allowing you control and initiative.

One storey structures! Why one storey? You could probably make up to 3 and 4 storey structures. Remember alot of the temples and other great buildings of antiquity were damaged and looted for their stone as building material for other structures.

A protected coral, figure enclosures 12 feet tall to hold sturdy animals like bison or elephants, imagine the steaks you'd get from those critters?

A series of trebuches to use the ruble as a long range defensive weapon. Remember, siege in the Lord of the Rings "Return of the King? Big ol stone throwers like those/

Make some raiser platforms like zigarots just for the hell of it and let the archeologists figure out their meaning 1000 yeaers down trhe line.

Use them as a matrix making hollow squares out into the river and then using them to collect the silt, this growing the island, and of course filling in the hollow squares with waste from your community and industry thus having a square garden plot of river silt which makes good farm land.

[kato13]

Originally Posted by Legbreaker

There'd be a lot of ash, but that should prove easier to dispose of.

Ash + Urine = Fertilizer

Yeah there would be problems with contaminants but that would be the least of most people's worries.

[Jason]

Reinforced concrete rubble is just a dangerous tangled mess, and not good for much until to use a torch to cut it apart. You will need a crane and some heavy haulers, unless you have enough fuel for several dozen torches running non-stop to parse it into pieces small enough for a crew of civilian workers to manhandle.

http://www.indygov.org/eGov/City/DPS...e-obstacle.jpg

Talking about all that ash has got me to thinking about serious respiratory illness as well as the inevitable blood poisoning from the innumerable cuts and scrapes. You might need to 'recruit' some more 'civilian workers'.

[kalos72]

I doubt there would be much reinforced concrete since the Island seems to be mostly, not completely, residential.

But that does raise a question...welding or cutting metals. Those supplies arent easily recreated...oxyacetylene are all manufactured products no? Or the sticks they use for welding...

[kato13]

Originally Posted by kalos72

Or the sticks they use for welding...

An odd source for these might be School Auditoriums. I know both my elementary and high school used arc lights for their spotlights. We had boxes of them (maybe 400 total) up in the projectors booth.

[Abbott Shaull]

Originally Posted by kalos72

I doubt there would be much reinforced concrete since the Island seems to be mostly, not completely, residential.

But that does raise a question...welding or cutting metals. Those supplies arent easily recreated...oxyacetylene are all manufactured products no? Or the sticks they use for welding...

One would be surprise what one would find in the world. Especially when you think it wouldn't be much of it there to begin with.

[headquarters]

getting bricks and some building materials for new projects should be possible.Not many brick factories running in T2k..

Originally Posted by kalos72

I just realized that they will have to clear roughly 50 square miles of rubble in order for my PC's to plant crops on Staten Island.

How many things can you build from concrete/brick rubble? A rubble perimeter wall, around everything what 10-12 feet high? Perhaps some really crappy one story buildings( anyone have images to suggest)?

Land fill to make the island bigger? Build a huge ass sea wall to make another port? Dump it out to sea? A wall around the whole friggin island?

Suggestions?