French Orbat

[Mohoender]

I never liked the french Orbat in twilight and never understood how they came up with it. As I have made one, I leave it to you and hope it might interest some.

It can be open to critics no doubt but I think it's not too bad .


FRANCE

In my world the French left Tahiti and concentrated their forces on New Caledonia (protecting the nickel mines there).

I also added several support units and divided the 4th DAM among its various regiments.
At least one regiment was formed from training units: 507th RCh
1st RPIMa (similar to SEAL), you’ll find some in the DIMa too.
Some are missing: 3rd RA, 4th RA, 15th RA, 32nd RA, 74th RA (Pluton Nuclear Missile)
401st RA, 402nd RA, 403rd RA (I-Hawk missile)
The Division Daguet was constituted during the 1st Gulf War, I like the idea of having it active again in the twilight war.

You also might argue that some equipments are not right but this is due to the continuous (if limited) production of weaponry in France (Weapon factories are located in the central mountain range and this was not subjected to nukes). Also as I understand it France entered in an arm race of her own. Still she couldn’t put Leclerc tanks in all units but the remaining AMX-30 were brought up to Brenus standards. AMX-10Ps are a rare sight as most French units ride the VAB. Moreover, you should have several VBL M11.

The FAR remain in the Middle East but the 11th DP was brought back to secure the southern border with Spain.

I added several Belgian units and the divisions were created from the territorial reserve. They kept their own equipments (actually as Liege was not destroyed the FN is could still be functional at Herstal). I would assume the 7th Mechanized brigade and the 16th division to join the Dutch (they are Flemish speakers).

The Gendarmerie is playing a major role in keeping the country together. Actually, in my game, it replaced the police and brought back its units to strength using the 50000 reserve personnel. GIGN (counter terrorist)

The Air force Orbat is quite big but France remained outside of the war after all. Nevertheless, the country lost several airplanes, and I would assume France to retain a few Mirage IV and various Jaguars (didn’t fit my game so). The F-16s were added from Belgium.
The Air force commands were all merged into one.

The navy was badly hit when the nukes fell on the Atlantic coast. Still many ships survived and the French could constitute several naval groups. Concerning the aircraft carrier, the Richelieu would have been lost when Toulon was nuked in place of Marseille (how do you think Marseille survived?). The Clemenceau would have been sunk at Brest and the Foch would have been lost in the Mediterranean. One SSBN might still be around as one is always at see. The others could have been destroyed at Lorient. Marseille has a naval dockyard.

I would assume the French speaking Belgium to be organized, but the Flemish part might be disputed or facing unrest. Luxembourg will have joined and Saarland (Germany) would be organized (long time friendship with France).

Do as you see fit for the location of units, I changed it slightly or didn’t care

ALAT (Army Light Aircraft, in fact helicopters)
RIMAP (Pacific Naval Infantry Regiment)
RSMa (Naval Support/Supply Regiment)
RPIMa (Naval Airborne Infantry Regiment)
REI (Foreign Legion Infantry Regiment)
REC (Foreign Legion Cavalry Regiment)
REP (Foreign Legion Paratrooper Regiment)
RIMa (Naval Infantry Regiment): BIMa are battalions
RIAOM (Overseas Combined Armed Regiment)
DBLE (Foreign Legion Half Brigade, roughly Battalion+)
RG (Engineer Regiment)
RH (Hussar Regiment, recon)
RA (Artillery Regiment)
RCh (Chasseur Regiment, armoured)
RHC (Helicopter Regiment)
DB (Armored Division)
DBL (Light Armored Division)
DP (Airborne Division)
DA (Alpine Division)
DI (Infantry Division)
DIMa (Naval Infantry Division)

BA (Air Base), a few were nuked


ARMY
Pacific Command (New Caledonia)
- 1st RIMAP (Régiment d’Infanterie de Marine du Pacifique)
Manpower: 900
Assets: 6 ERC-90, 4 155FH
- 2nd RIMAP
Manpower: 650
Indian Ocean Regional Command (La Réunion)
- 4th RSMa
Manpower : 160
- 2nd RPIMa
Manpower: 500
French Guyana Regional Command
- 3rd RSMa (Cayenne)
Manpower: 350
- 3rd REI (Kourou)
Manpower: 450
- 9th RIMa (Cayenne)
Manpower: 450
Carribean Regional Command
- 1st RSMa (Martinique)
Manpower : 190
- 33rd RIM (Martinique)
Manpower: 350
- 41st BIMa (Guadeloupe)
Manpower : 170
East Africa Regional Command (Djibouti)
- 5th RIAOM
Manpower: 450
Assets: 4 155FH
- 13th DBLE
Manpower: 500
Assets: 15 ERC-90
- Det ALAT “Drakkar”
Manpower: 130
Assets: 2 AS-355, 2 SA-342, 3 AS-332
Western Africa Regional Command
- 6th BIMa (Gabon)
Manpower: 400
- 23rd BIMa (Senegal)
Manpower: 350
- 43rd BIMa (Cameroon)
Manpower: 350
- Det ALAT “Cougar”
Manpower: 160
Assets: 2 AS-355, 5 AS-332
1st Army Corps (Interior Regions)
- 72nd BIMa (Marseille)
Manpower: 300
- 1st RG
Manpower: 290
Assets: 5 EBG
- 8th RH (Corps recon)
Manpower: 270
Assets: 7 ERC-90
- 57th RA
Manpower: 380
Assets: 13 AMX-Roland
- 507th RCh (composed from school units)
Manpower: 450
Assets: 15 AMX-30 Brenus
- 1st RPIMa (Bayonne/Special Forces)
Manpower: 500
- 6th RHC
Manpower: 950
Assets: 11 SA-342, 8 Tirge PAH-2, 7 AS-332
- 1st DB (Pau)
Manpower: 2800
Assets: 16 Leclerc, AMX-10P, VAB, AUF-1 GCT
- 7th DB (Besançon)
Manpower: 4100
Assets: 22 AMX-30 Brenus, AMX-10P, VAB, AUF-1 GCT, MLRS
- 12th DBL (Saumur)
Manpower: 2900
Assets: 22 AMX-10RC, VAB, AUF-1 GCT
- 14th DBL (Montpellier)
Manpower: 4200
Assets: 24 AMX-10RC, VAB, AUF-1 GCT
- 11th DP (Toulouse)
Manpower: 4200
Assets: 36 ERC-90, VAB, 155FH
- 27th DA (Grenoble)
Manpower: 4400
Assets: 29 ERC-90, Bv-206, VAB, 155FH
2nd Army Corps (Germany)
- 2nd RG
Manpower: 610
Assets: 12 EBG
- 3rd RH (Corps recon)
Manpower: 550
Assets: 35 AMX-10RC
- 51st RA
Manpower: 130
Assets: 7 AMX-Roland
- 53rd RA
Manpower: 300
Assets: 9 AMX-Roland
- 11th RCh (former Berlin Regiment)
Manpower: 300
Assets: 19 AMX-30 Brenus
- 1st RHC
Manpower: 950
Assets: 7 SA-342, 5 Tigre PAH-2, 5 AS-332
- 1st Logistic Brigade
Manpower: 800
- 3rd DB (Aachen)
Manpower: 4100
Assets: 18 Leclerc, VAB, AUF-1 GCT
- 5th DB (Worms)
Manpower: 4200
Assets: 24 Leclerc, AMX-10P, VAB, AUF-1 GCT
- 15th DI (Koblenz)
Manpower: 3900
3rd Army Corps (Belgium/North)
- 5th RG
Manpower: 460
Assets: 5 EBG
- 2nd RH (Corps Recon)
Manpower: 160
Assets: 12 AMX-10RC
- 54th RA
Manpower: 140
Assets: 6 AMX-Roland
- 58th RA
Manpower: 190
Assets: 8 AMX-Roland
- Belgian Army Aviation Group
Manpower: 150
Assets: 11 A-109A
- Luxembourg Regiment
Manpower: 800
- 1st Belgian Horse Rifles Regiment (Recon)
Manpower: 100
Assets: 6 Scimitar
- 2nd/4th Belgian Horse Rifles Regiment (Recon)
Manpower: 200 cavalry
- Belgian Immediate Reaction Regiment (Paratroopers)
Manpower: 400
- 1st ‘Chasseur Ardenais’ Regiment (Elite Infantry similar to mountain troops)
Manpower: 400
- 3rd RHC
Manpower: 950
Assets: 10 SA-342, 5 Tigre PAH-2, 4 AS-332
- 2nd Logistic Brigade
Manpower: 1400
- 1st Belgian Mechanized Brigade
Manpower: 1350
Assets: 10 Leopard 1, AIFV, M109A2
- 7th Belgian Mechanized Brigade (Flemish)
Manpower: 1400
Assets: 8 Leopard 1, AIFV, M109A2
- 2nd DB (Bruxelles)
Manpower: 3200
Assets: 16 Leclerc, AMX-10, VAB, AUF-1 GCT, MLRS
- 6th DBL (Antwerp)
Manpower: 4400
Assets: 36 AMX-10RC, VAB, AUF-1 GCT
- 10th DB (Nijmegen)
Manpower: 4000
Assets: 20 AMX-30 Brenus, VAB, AUF-1 GCT
- 1st Belgian Territorial DI (Liege/Verviers)
Manpower: 4000
- 8th DI (Amien)
Manpower: 2800
- 16th Belgian Territorial DI (Oostende/Ghent, Flemish)
Manpower: 4600
Force d’Action Rapide (FAR/Rapid dployment force/Middle East)
- 1st REC (UAE)
Manpower: 600
Assets: 24 AMX-10RC
- 1st REI (UAE)
Manpower: 600
- 2nd REI (Oman, VAB)
Manpower: 600
- 2nd REP (UAE, VAB)
Manpower: 350
- 5th RHC (Oman)
Manpower: 950
Assets: 9 SA-342, 7 Tigre PAH-2, 7 AS-332
- 9th DIMa (Oman)
Manpower: 1300
Assets: 13 AMX-10RC, Bv-206, VAB, 155FH
- Division Daguet (UAE)
Manpower: 4500
Assets: 12 AMX-30 Brenus, 15 AMX-10RC, VAB, AUF-1 GCT,
4 SA-342, 6 Tigre PAH-2

Gendarmerie
GIGN (Groupe d’Intervention de la Gendarmerie National)
Manpower : 85
GBGM (Groupement Blindé de Gendarmerie Mobile/Armored Group)
- 1st Group
Manpower : 520
Assets : 21 AML-90, 15 VBRG
- 2nd Group
Manpower : 560
Assets : 9 AML-90, 29 VBRG
Gendarmerie Mobile (Mobile Gendarmery, equipped with 4x4 and trucks)
- 39 Mobile Squadron
Manpower: 120
Gendarmerie Départementale (Local Gendarmery, equipped with civilian vehicles)
- 104 Groupements de Gendarmerie (91 in France, 9 in Belgium, 2 Corse, 1 Luxembourg, 1 Saarland)
Manpower: 500
Gendarmerie d’Outre-mer (Overseas Gendarmery)
- Groupement de Guadeloupe (a type of unit )
Manpower : 600
Assets : 2 AS-355, 3 VBRG
- Groupement de Martinique
Manpower : 600
Assets : 1 AS-355, 2 AML-90, 3 VBRG
- Groupement de La Réunion
Manpower : 600
Assets : 1 AS-355, 2 AML-90, 3 VBRG
- Groupement de Nouvelle Calédonie
Manpower : 800
Assets : 2 AS-355, 2 AML-90, 3 VBRG
- Groupement de Guyane
Manpower : 800
Assets : 1 AS-355, 2 AML-90, 3 VBRG
Republican Guard
- Cavalry Regiment
Manpower: 350 cavalry
- 1st Infantry Regiment
Manpower: 900
- 2nd Infantry Regiment
Manpower: 1300

Force Aérienne
CoFAST (Commandement des Forces Aériennes Stratégiques et Tactiques)
BA102, Dijon
- ESDA 8/950 : 4 GDF-35, 3 Crotale, 2 Radar
- EC 1/2 ‘Cigognes’ : 9 Mirage 2000C
- EE 2/2 ‘Côte d’Or’ : 8 Mirage 2000C
BA103, Cambrai
- ESDA 9/950 : 2 GDF-35, 2 Crotale, 1 Radar
- EC 1/12 ‘Cambresi’ : 12 Mirage 2000C
- EC 2/12 ‘Picardie’ : 10 Mirage 2000C
BA105, Evreux
- ESDA 11/950 : 4 GDF-35, 4 Crotale, 2 Radar
- ET 1/64 ‘Béarn’ : 6 C-160
- ET 2/64 ‘Anjou’ : 5 C-160
- ET 2/61 ‘Franche-Comté’: 15 C-130
- ET 3/61 ‘Poitou’: 11 C-160
BA110, Creil-Senlis
- ESDA 4/950 ‘Servance’: 3 GDF-35, 3 Crotale, 1 Radar
- ET 1/62 ‘Vercors’: 2 CN-235, 4 C-212
- EH 3/67 ‘Parisis’: 3 AS-355, 2 AS-332
- GAM 56 : 3 A-320, 5 EMB-121
BA112 Reims
- ESDA 3/950 ‘Lure’ : 4 GDF-35, 1 Crotale, 1 Radar
- EC 1/30’Normandie-Niemen’ 12 Rafale C
- EC 2/30 ‘Valois’ 10 Rafale C
- EC 1/33 ‘Belfort’: 12 Mirage F-1C
- EC 2/33 ‘Savoie’: 12 Mirage F-1C
BA113, Saint-Dizier
- ESDA 5/950’Barrois’ : 4 GDF-35, 4 Crotale, 2 Radar
- EC 1/7 ‘Provence’: 10 Rafale C
- EC 2/7 ‘Argonne’ : 10 Rafale C
BA118, Mont-de-Marsan
- ESDA 1/950’Vaccares’ : 3 GDF-35, 2 Crotale, 1 Radar
- EC 1/11 ‘Roussillon’ : 6 Mirage 2000N
- EC 2/11 ‘Vosges’ : 12 Mirage 2000D
BA120, Cazaux
- ESDA 13/950 : 4 Mistral
- ETO 1/8 ‘Saintonge’: 12 Alpha Jet, 5 TB-30B
- ETO 2/8 ‘Nice’: 13 Alpha Jet, 5 TB-30B
- EH 1/67 ‘Pyrénées’: 2 AS-355, 4 AS-332
BA125, Istres
- ESDA 10/950 ‘Monfort’ : 2 GDF-35, 2 Crotale, 1 Radar
- GRV 1/93 ‘Nantes’: 4 KC-135FR
- EC 3/4 ‘Limousin’: 8 Mirage 2000N
- EH 5/67 ‘Alpilles’: 2 AS-355, 1 AS-332
BA126, Solenzara
- ESDA 14/950 : 3 Mistral
- EH 6/67 ‘Solenzara’: 2 AS-355, 2 AS-332
BA133, Nancy
- ESDA 6/950 ‘Riquewihr’ : 2 GDF-35, 1 Crotale, 1 Radar
- EC 1/3 ‘Navarre’: 11 Mirage 2000D
- EC 2/3 ‘Champagne’: 14 Mirage 2000D
BA701, Salon de Porvence
- ESDA 12/950 : 4 Mistral
- EPAA 300: 4 Alpha Jet, 15 TB-30B
BA702, Avord
- ESDA 2/950 ‘Sancerre’ : 2 GDF-35, 1 Crotale, 1 Radar
- EDCA 36 ‘Berry’ : 2 E-3F
BA 000 Florennes (Belgium)
- ESDA 7/950 : 5 GDF-35, 1 Crotale, 1 Radar
- 1ère Escadrille ‘Chardon’ : 6 F-16
- 31e Escadrille ‘Tigre’ : 8 F-16
- 40e Escadrille : 2 Alouette III, 3 Sea King
Commandement Océan Indien
- ETOM 50 ‘Réunion’ (La Réunion) : 2 AS-332, 2 CN-235
Commandement Moyent Orient (Oman)
- EC 2/5 ‘Île de France’: 12 Mirage 2000C
- EC 2/4 ‘La Fayette’: 14 Mirage 2000N
- ET 1/61 ‘Tourraine’ : 6 C-160
- GRV 2/93 ‘Rennes’ : 2 KC-135FR
Commandement Mer Rouge (Djibouti)
- EC 4/33 ‘Vexin’ (Djibouti) : 5 Mirage 2000C
- ETOM 88 ‘Larzac’ (Djibouti): 2 AS-332, 1 C-160
Commandement Afrique (Gabon)
- EC 3/30 ‘Lorraine’ : 10 Mirage F-1C
- ETM 1/40 ‘Moselle’: 2 TB-30B, 3 AS-355
- ETOM 55 ‘Houessan’ : 2 AS-355, 2 AS-332, 1 C-160
Commandement Pacifique (Nouvelle Calédonie)
- ETOM 52 “La Tontouta” : 1 AS-355, 2 AS-332, 2 CN-235
Commandement Antilles
- EHOM 68 ‘Guyane’ (Guyane) : 1 AS-355, 3 AS-332
- ETOM 58 ‘Antilles’ (Martinique) : 2 AS-332, 2 CN-235

Marine Nationale
Pacific Naval Group
- F731 Prairial and F734 Vendémiaire (1 Alouette III)
- L9032 Dumont d’Urville and L9033 Jacques Cartier
- P686 La Glorieuse, P688 La Moqueuse, and P691 La Tapageuse
- Flotille 25F: 2 EMB-121
Mediterranean Naval Group (Marseille)
- Flotille 21F (Nimes): 5 Br-1151 Atlantic
- R91 Charles De Gaulle (13 Rafale M, 12 Super Etendard, 2 E-2C, 2 Lynx)
- D616 Forbin (1 SA-365)
- D615 Jean Bart (1 SA-365)
- F710 Lafayette and F714 Guepratte (1 SA-365)
- P677 Cormoran and P683 La Boudeuse
- M641 Eridan and M644 Pegase
- A631 Sommes
- S601 Rubis
Indian Ocean Naval Group (Djibouti/La Réunion)
- R97 Jeanne d’Arc (2 Alouette III, 3 SA-321G)
- D612 De Grasse (2 Lynx)
- F730 Floréal (1 SA-365)
- F910 Wielingen
- P902 Libération
- A607 Meuse
- S606 Perle
Atlantic Naval Group (Martinique)
- D641 Dupleix (1 Lynx)
- D642 Montcalm (1 Lynx)
- F735 Germinal (1 Alouette III)
- P682 L’Audacieuse
- M645 Orion
- A608 Var
Naval Assault Group
- D603 Duquesne
- F789 LV Le Henaff and F797 Cmdt Bouan
- L9012 Siroco (2 Lynx, 1 SA-365) and L9031 Francis Garnier

[kato13]

I did not adjust the maximum file settings for attachments so Mohoender was forced to put the data in the post above. I have included the attachment in this post.


For future reference the maximum size for images is 100k and 800x600. Text files (xls, doc, pdf and such) is 500k. If this is abused I may reduce it, but I think these will be ok.

PS Nice work.

PPS Look at that i Hit my 4 min service goal again

[Mohoender]

Originally Posted by kato13

I will change the max attachment size to 500k I guess.

I will attach the document in 5 min or so.

I'll apreciate it and post it again then (100k is enough so)

[kato13]

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thefusilier 09-14-2008, 12:08 PM Your armour strengths seem a little low for what I expected. As they didn't get involved in any real serious combat, I'd figure them to be much stronger. Your thoughts?

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[Mohoender]

Originally Posted by kato13

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thefusilier 09-14-2008, 12:08 PM Your armour strengths seem a little low for what I expected. As they didn't get involved in any real serious combat, I'd figure them to be much stronger. Your thoughts?

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I agree but I stick to the cannon for that one (so the french to get a Napoleon IV). Actually, you could double them and may be replace the leopard 1 (belgium) by AMX-30 brenus (or AMX-30B2) phased out of french regular units

[kato13]

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Brit 09-16-2008, 01:10 AM I've just been off for a couple of weeks so if I missed it... apologies... but what's a 'Napoleon IV'? I figure it's a 'new' French MBT but any details welcome. Thanks.

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[Mohoender]

A better post then

Thanks Kato