Twilight 2013

[Frank Frey]

Greetings,

CdNWolf asked what I thought of the latest iteration of T2K from Studio 93. Well I haven't formed an opinion of it yet. I just got the PDF's in a bundle deal from DrivethruRPG yesterday and haven't had much time to actually sit down and read through it. I'd like to do that because I figure I owe it to both you guys here as well as the game designers to give as much of an informed opinion as I can.
One more thing. To clear up any confusion, I was a freelancer for GDW. I didn't work in the main office and I was not one of the games original designers. I designed and wrote modules for them but the credit for the creation of the world itself goes squarely to Marc, Frank, and Loren. Just thought I'd clear that up.

Out Here,
Frank Frey

[kota1342000]

LMAO
...That may be Frank, but great modules! The RDF sourcebook saved a lot of us a huge amount of work, and I SCARED THE HELL out of a player group with Black Madonna. Quite unexpected Id have to say, but it really sticks out in my mind. Thanks much!

[StainlessSteelCynic]

Having read a friend's copy, I found the timeline to be somewhat silly and despite any good to be had from the rules, I just can't picture it as being Twilight:2000.

[Jason]

The T:2013 timeline is the weakest part of the game. This is fine with me, as I often go off-canon anyway. (Less NA in T2K, more NA in T:2013)

As far as rules go, T:2013 is a very tight, accurate rule-set that I would use for any modern military game. The character creation and development process and combat rules both stand out to me as the best I have ever played. Once I became familiar with the rules, the combat sequences in T:2013 played out in a smooth realistic manner in regards to physics and psychology. In addition, every combat ended up having at least one of those cool little dramas that are so memorable.

I love T2k, and nothing will ever replace the feeling of this wonderful rpg, but as far as solid rules are concerned, T:2013 is top. I wish I had more time to play either of these games.

[kota1342000]

I agree the history is a little weak, but in general...wellll...not too bad, though I think my hang up is the complete dissolution of the US goverment. The variation on the "Good luck, youre on your own" is a little repugnant to me as it seems as the goverment just completely gave up. But maybe that's the reaction that was being looked for too.
Otherwise, Im damn impressed, and of course Im very biased; I didnt start on D&D, I started on T2K and anyone helping to keep the genre alive is going to get credit from me.

[kato13]

I like T2013 rules. Not enough to replace my custom built system but certainly enough to lift large portions. I still may build an online version of their character creation system as it really is a serious improvement over previous T2k versions (IMO) and would be a good reuse of some code I already built.

[sglancy12]

Originally Posted by kota1342000

The variation on the "Good luck, youre on your own" is a little repugnant to me as it seems as the goverment just completely gave up.

Yeah... I gotta say that was pretty much my reaction when the audio recording teaser became available. The attitude seemed a lot like "Since we've failed at everything we've done for the last few years I guess it's Miller Time. See ya!"

A total abdication of responsibility. Like the Captain resigning his command after hitting the iceberg and then having the gall to act like he's doing us a favor on the grounds that he will only make it worse. Sounds like he just doesn't want to go down with the ship to me. If I was played that message at the beginning of the campaign I would make it my life's work to find that cowardly bastard and shoot his kneecaps off for shirking his duties and responsibilities.

Hell, it's worse that just resigning. He's scuttling the ship before all the lifeboats are away. And to no real purpose that I can discern.

I myself haven't picked up the main book, but I am heartened to hear so many people say how much they like the rules. I was never a big fan or the ver. 2.2. rules and I really didn't like the ver.1 rules at all.

Nevertheless, what little I've read of the history makes my eyes bleed. I read a review somewhere that said (essentially) Twilight 2000 felt like it was written by guys who studied history, political science and ROTC in college. Twilight 2013 reads like it was written by guys who studied history by reading role-playing games.

What I've read, bears that impression out.

A. Scott Glancy, President TCCorp, dba Pagan Publishing