1st US Army / XII Corps

[Rainbow Six]

Hi guys,

Quick question...the US Army Vehicle Guide states that both the above higher headquarters are located on the US East Coast.

Does anyone know if any published material gives a specific location for either of them?

Thanks

[Legbreaker]

Howling Wilderness has the 1st Army as "This army has effectively ceased to exist and headquarters personnel have dispersed".
The 78th Infantry Division (light) is located at Fort Dix, New Jersey with 900 personnel after absorbing 800 replacements from Omega according to Howling Wilderness.
The 43rd MP Brigade is located in and around Westover AFB in Massachusetts according to The Last Submarine. Howling Wilderness has the 43rd as having mutinied (after The Last Sub events early in 2001), killed it's commanding officer and dispersed.
There doesn't appear to be any indication where the Corps HQ is located, but my guess would place it, or at least the few remnants of it, with the 78th.

[Rainbow Six]

Thanks. I'd agree - Fort Dix seems to be the logical place to find any remaining elements of XII Corps.

[kalos72]

The 1st Army situation was always a puzzle to me...

Side note: Whats the difference between an Army and a Corps?

[kota1342000]

An Army is the next larger grouping of forces above a Corps, and may have 2 or 3 Corps under its command. For instance, Patton's 3rd Army in the Lorraine campaign (if I have this correct) commanded the XII, XV, and XX Corps. Each Corps having 2 or 3 Divisions normally.
The East Coast situation always made me scratch my head a little too. I eventually built an additional order of battle for after the 2001 drought disaster that would reflect the US Army getting back on its feet.

[Fusilier]

Originally Posted by kalos72

The 1st Army situation was always a puzzle to me...

Side note: Whats the difference between an Army and a Corps?

It's just the next formation level up. An army is made up of one or more corps and army level assets.

For example the British Army of the Rhine (Army level) is made up of I Corps, II Corps, and a couple other smaller assets.

[kalos72]

Kota - care to share that OoB?

[Abbott Shaull]

One of the thing is that lot of the unit that would be under the control of the 1st Army along the East Coast were rushed to the 5th and 6th Armies to help in the southwest. Also there additional units in the northwest that would of been more spread out on relief missions, but due to the Soviet invasion in the Alaska and Northwestern Canada and almost making it Washington State many units had been combat that would of been doing relief missions or running basic/AIT training.

I tend to agree there would be many more assets including new infantry units made out of excess Naval/Coast Guard/Air Force units....

[kalos72]

In my campaign I have been contemplating moving the 1st Army HQ back to Governors Island NYC...since I have MILGOV sending units to retake NYC.

[Legbreaker]

Originally Posted by Abbott Shaull

I tend to agree there would be many more assets including new infantry units made out of excess Naval/Coast Guard/Air Force units....

It is my belief these excess personnel would have been assigned to sub units of the existing 78th and 43rd rather than create another unnecessary command structure as the Germans had a habit of doing in WWII.
It makes more sense to make up several company's of sailors, etc and attach those units to existing parent units who can utilize the manpower immediately than muck about organising a HQ and supporting units. These sub units are unlikely to be sent into combat, but could be used for civil duties - construction, static guard, food and supply acquisition, maintenance, etc. Some may have been gradually retrained for other ground based roles once the lack of ships became obvious and may eventually have been split up as the demands for manpower in other more vital units grew.
A division, even a brigade is a big organization. There's more than enough room for such sub units to be absorbed with barely a trace.

[kota1342000]

Originally Posted by kalos72

Kota - care to share that OoB?

Yes, and sorry about that Kalos, I got put under a couple of "hurry up" loads and then had a breakdown so I couldnt get net service for a bit. This might be messy as I havent done any editing but I have to make up for not getting back sooner LOL

1st US Army
411th Engineer BDE, 800 Men, Allentown PA
The 411th is just another nearly unknown Brigade in the order of battle that may have prevented the East Coast of the United States from decades of total anarchy. Originally assigned to transportation and logistical support for movement of essential military traffic in Pennsylvania, the Brigade HHC personnel were at the Pentagon receiving orders at the beginning of the November Massacre. The Brigade XO promptly assumed command and set to work.
The Engineers first established fortified aid and recovery locations at several road junctions on Interstates 76, 78, 80, and 476, the Brigade collected as many survivors as possible and immediately instituted a “food for work� program to replace the collapsed currency system. Centered on Allentown Pennsylvania, the 411th doesn’t just grow crops but also groups of people that are capable of surviving and thriving in a post-technology enviorment. The Brigade runs an improvised academy to teach steam power, farming, mechanics, fishing, hunting, alternative energy, and many other skills.
This alone is a major accomplishment, but in late 2000, the 411th received orders from its parent unit the 1st US Army to disband and disperse, with no reasons given. The CO of the 411th had no intention of doing this and there are packs of rumors that it was a group from the 411th that helped re-establish the 1st US Army headquarters.

12th Corps
In addition to
78th ID (Fort Dix NJ) and
43rd MP Bde (1 remaining loyal company in sporadic contact)

428th Field Artillery BDE, 300 Men, 6 M119A1 Newark NJ
The 428th is a formation made up of returning veterans, volunteers, and lately refugees who have decided to enlist as well. They had been prepared to deploy to Europe before Norfolk Virginia was struck by a nuclear weapon, and received instructions to move north to assist 1st Army in reconstruction and recovery efforts. Their presence in south Newark had been fairly low key, and spent most of the time assisting civilian authorities until marauders got out of hand. The 428th now controls a large strip of area centered on Newark Liberty International Airport and uses the NJ Turnpike as a major supply and transportation route. Moderate battles with marauders and the occasional pirate or UBF fisherman vessel serve to keep the 428th on its toes.

25th corps
27th Infantry Brigade, Camp Johnson Vt, 500 troops
The 27th was raised from the people of Vermont, with most of the troops coming from the towns of Montpelier, Rutland, and Burlington. They have been in combat several times with New American forces operating out of Maine and are holding the line at Camp Johnson, and protecting the civilian population. They are popular with the residents, as they are making it possible for reconstruction efforts to begin.
76th Infantry Brigade, Camp Keyes Maine, 600 troops
Raised in mid 2000 from refugees from Portland, Augusta, and Brunswick, primarily out of a desire to be rid of the New American forces in the area. Since they have been raised and activated, they have anchored themselves in Camp Keyes, and range all throughout the south of Maine, waging a guerilla war against New America.
89th Military Police Brigade, Manchester NH, 600 troops
The MPs original assignment in New Hampshire was civil relief and restoring order; instead they have found themselves fighting a guerilla war with forces of New America. They have gained the trust of the population all over the state, and has built up a much larger resistance than the New Americans realize.
23rd Infantry Division (medium), Bangor Maine, 2900 troops
The 23rd was the brain child of a refugee/old soldier moving south from Maine where New America had taken hold of several communities. He was able tomake his way south to the 78th Infantry Division, garrisoning sections of New York City, then convinced the local CG to allow him to build a military unit; he was a retired Colonel in the US Army. Refugees were convinced to join from Binghamton, Albany, and the suburbs of New York. They were then trained up by a cadre from the 78th, and then members began to collect, repair, and convert vehicles into light armored vehicles resembling the M20 and M8 armored cars. They then traded some of the newly recovered vehicles to the 78th Infantry for heavier weapons to arm them, and fought their way north through marauders and New American patrols back to Bangor Maine, and threw the New American garrison out on its ear. When word of this reached 1st US Army, messengers were sent with activation declarations for them as the 23rd Infantry Division, official orders, and a duffle bag full of shoulder patches. They have been active against New America ever since.

40th corps
155th Armored Brigade, Ft Lee VA, 450 troops, 8 M60A3, 10 M48A5
Getting tired of harassment from several marauder groups, gangs and paramilitary groups, the 151st Field Artillery (Milgov) and the 184th Infantry (Civgov), both holding Ft Bragg, decided to form up another brigade out of volunteers from the refugees that were coming in as well as cadre from returning European units. Once trained and equipped, the 155th pushed up I-95 to Ft Lee, and not only cleared the I-95 corridor, holding several crucial road junctions on the way, but also secured the western flank of Norfolk, and opened up a food supply route back to Ft Bragg.
87th Infantry Division (mech), Richmond VA, 2400 troops, 6 M48A5
The 87th is composed of several hundred veterans of the European theatre who were wounded and shipped back to the states. Most of the rest of the division are refugee volunteers from Washington DC, Richmond, Petersburg, Greene, all the way west to Bedford. They took charge of the next shipment of military equipment and vehicles that was supposed to have gone to Europe before plans were drafted for the evacuation of Europe. They have garrisoned the city of Richmond, and are using the surrounding area’s resources to feed and protect the local population.
151st Field Artillery Brigade, Ft Bragg NC, 500 troops
A pre-war reserve brigade, the 151st is composed of inactive reservists who have been recalled to duty and formed up. The 151st received older M114A1 155mm howitzers, and was ordered to perform civil relief operations in the area of Ft Bragg. They have since worked together with the 184th Infantry Brigade, a Civgov unit, against higher orders in the beginning. The unit has established a firebase at Ft Bragg, and has helped support civilian recovery in Fayetteville, Clinton, Lumberton, Raeford, and Lillington. They have also helped the 184th establish forward bases at MCAS Cherry Point, Seymore Johnson AFB, and Camp Lejune.

[Legbreaker]

With the demand for armoured vehicles in Europe, Korea, the Middle East, Alaska and South West USA, how do you justify the existance of useful tanks (the M60's and M48s) and artillery on the east coast?
Omega as we know required all heavy equipment to be turned over to the Germans (and I'm sure the Americans wouldn't have been able to slip even one tank past them) so I can't see them coming from there.
Anything left in the US is likely to have either been shipped overseas, or towards Texas or Alaska where there's actual fighting rather than "simple" civil disorder.