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01-11-2011, 01:39 AM
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Sea Lanes
I'm not thinking of world shipping which is a different matter we already discussed. However, in T2K what sea lane could be available and where will piracy be really active?
Here are might thoughts: - Bosphorus: open desipite damages by the bomb that missed Istanbul - Gibraltar: open - Jutland: open - Suez Canal: destroyed by nukes - Panama Canal: I used to have it open with limited access but why should it be so. More likely destroyed. Major working harbors: - Macao (China) - Marseille (France) - Copenhagen (Denmark) - Arkhangelsk (Russia) - Riga (Latvia) - Several in Norway and Sweden - Portsmouth and Newcastle (UK) - Porto (Portugal) - Istanbul (Turkey) - Dakar (Senegal) - Cape Town (South Africa) - Savannah and Boston (USA) - Quebec (Quebec) - Several smaller harbors seeing more shipping these days Please complete the list, I'm missing several (Thanks Wiki): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_seaports Major Sea Lane: Pacific Sealane: going from Europe/US to Falklands and Chile to several Islands in the Pacific. Piracy is extremely important in the Carribean, off the coasts of Portugal/Spain, in the Bay of Biscay and in the Mediterranean. A safer sea lane link the US west coast to various destinations in the Pacific Mediterranean Sea Lanes Again the most travelled seas, it is also the most dangerous. You better travel in convoy. Atlantic Sea Lanes Largely abandonned, they are especially unsafe due to mine hazards. African Sea Lane with the destruction of the Suez Canal, shipping is going trough the cape of good hope, making cape town the most important seaport and benefiting South Africa. Other major stop on the route are Madeira, Cabo Verde, Saint Helena, Reunion/Maurice, Zanzibar. Piracy exist all along the African coasts. Artic sea lane largely abandonned it linked Arkhangelsk to ports in the Atlantic Northern Sea Route A major sea route nowadays it is entirely controled by the Soviet Union. Just some rapid thoughts, feel free to complete. 
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01-11-2011, 04:18 AM
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There's a few more in the UK and Ireland. Felixstowe (which is the UK's busiest container port according to wiki) and Harwich both survived, as did Plymouth. The main ports for the Scotland - Northern Ireland ferry service are untouched - Stranraer and Cairnryan in Scotland and Belfast and Larne in Northern Ireland. There would also be a number of smaller ports...for an extensive listing I'd defer to the list RN7 posted in his thread IIRC the only nuclear target in the Republic of Ireland was Bantry Bay, so all the other Irish ports should be OK - Dun Laoghaire and Rosslare both had regular ferry services to the UK. I guess only caveat would be that the absence of a port on a list of nuclear targets does not neccessarily mean that the port is still intact and / or in working order. They could have been plastered by conventional airstrikes or, in the case of those close to ground combat, destroyed by artillery or blown up etc, etc...
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01-11-2011, 06:36 AM
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Quebec City gets creamed by a 1 MT airburst to take out the refineries on both sides of the St. Lawrence. This probably flattens the entire city, and to take out all the refineries ground zero would have to be more or less above the river, and the port. One port that should be added is Churchill, Manitoba. Not only is it a notable (if not major) arctic port on Hudson's Bay, it's also the site of Canada's commercial spaceport. (Currently inactive but possibly reactivated for satellite launch during the Twilight War.) Tony
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01-11-2011, 02:49 PM
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Just off he top of my head...
Don't forget the Singapore Strait - a very busy route, which (a few years ago, anyway) had a reputation for piracy even without the war. Can't remember if Singapore was a target or not, but even if it was, the Strait should be navigable. And don't forget Hormuz either - in and out of the Persian Gulf. There is a lot if local trade there, in dhows, as well as the oil. And Dubai is a port and historical pirate area. If Suez canal is closed, I don't think Aden and the Red Sea will have a great deal of traffic, but there are ports at Hodeida in Yemen, Jeddah in Saudi an Port Suez in Egypt, all on the Red Sea. And there wil probably be a fair bt of trade arounf the West Indies
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01-11-2011, 04:51 PM
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01-12-2011, 05:19 AM
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01-12-2011, 05:56 AM
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That's a great point. At least some of these areas would be mined by some power or another. Soviet subs or surface raiders may be able to lay minefields, even using nuclear mined. Or local combatants might want to isolate the area from trade for some reason. These minefields may be cleared or partially cleared over time. Tony
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01-11-2011, 05:08 PM
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It's a puzzle all right. Where would they move the capital to, and why? The problem with QC is that it's just not a big city, and tends to cluster around the river. The refinery and tank farm is only about 2-3km from the port, and about 5km from the iconic Chateau Frontenac and the National Assembly/parliament buildings in the old city. Probably it's the name that's most important. Even if the old city and the parliament buildings are gone, as long as they move the Québec National Assembly to somewhere within the city limits it counts symbolically. If needed, the airport is on the outskirts of the city upriver to the west, a relatively good spot and far away from advancing Canadian troops. As well or in conjunction, the strike on the refineries could have been off target and hit somewhere to the south, leaving most or part of the city/capital buildings/port intact. Getting back to the topic, I don't see the Northwest Passage as being a feasible route, unfortunately. Due to mysterious processes that are still hotly disputed by some in the USA (possibly involving the heating of a globe-like celestial body that may or may not be Earth by some unknown and disputed mechanism by a species that allegedly evolved from ape-like organisms) the ice has been rapidly retreating and the Northwest Passage will soon be navigatable by commercial traffic many months of the year. Given the conditions outlined in "Howling Wilderness", I see the ice shelf advancing as temperatures cool and moisture is locked up in the polar regions. Hudson's Bay and Churchill will still be accessible. On the west coast, the Port of Vancouver would be largely intact. In the BYB Canada target list only the refineries/oil storage facilities around Burrard Inlet get hit. These areas are either to the east of the Port of Vancouver facilities, the Robert's Bank Superport (a twin container port and coal terminal facility) to the south or the various facilities on the Fraser River like the Fraser Surrey Docks. The city is largely abandoned and in the Legion MccRae adventure "The River" the container port downtown also takes a direct hit, but that leaves several large port areas intact (if inoperative). Further, aside from the Singapore Strait the Strait of Malacca is the largest and busiest in the world. Piracy is a serious problem there but would probably decline with the collapse of world trade. Tony
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01-11-2011, 06:36 PM
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01-11-2011, 06:45 PM
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Hmmmm, I do believe that he called we'ins apes!!!! It's a good thing that I'm descended from the lone survivor of Roswell, otherwise I'd have to nuke the site from orbit....just to be sure! 
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01-12-2011, 05:07 AM
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I, of course, speak only for myself! Hey, what the hell are you doing here, anyways? Did you hear there was some colonists' daughters down here that needed rescuing from their virginity? Tony
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01-19-2011, 05:00 PM
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Also interesting to note, Portugual withdrew military troops from Macau in 1974. Portugual may have deployed troops after fighting breaks out along the PRC-Soviet border in 1995. Not sure if Macau had any territorial or reserve military like the Royal Hong Kong Regiment, but I could see them forming some type of reserve type force of Macau part time soldiers. Maybe this should be in another thread but my assumption is that, in addition to deploying ground troops, the Portugese also deploy air and naval assets to protect the territory as well as sea and air traffic to and from Macau.
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01-20-2011, 05:37 AM
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Potential snag with any deployment of air forces might be that IRL Macau didn't have an airport of its own until the end of 1995, so after the outbreak of the Sino Soviet War. It's debatable what impact (if any) the War might have on the completion of the airport - Macau is neutral territory, so in one respect there may be no affect, but if anything brought in from the PRC (building materials, labour force, etc) might be disrupted enough to delay completion at best or cause work to be halted completely at worst. If it wasn't finished I don't think there would be a a suitable facility in Macau to host any military aircraft (Hong Kong would be the nearest option).
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