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Old 01-23-2011, 08:25 AM
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Talking about all of the various units that go into a Corps reminded me that I have a copy of a "doctrine" listing. This is the US Army Command & General Staff College Reference Book 101-1. This uses the Division 86 TO&E, but it is useful for showing all of the "tail" that supports the "teeth". Needless to say, these are are not real units, the names have been changed to protect the innocent!

I Corps Troop List

HQ & HQ Company, Corps.
HHC, COSCOM
HHC 10th Spt Grp
HHC 11th Spt Grp
2175th Spt Cen, Rr Area Op
2176th Spt Cen, Rr Area Op
2421st DPU (COSCOM)
2001st MMC Co (COSCOM)
4104th Trans MMC (COSCOM)
25th Armored Division
21st Infantry Division [optional]
52nd Infantry Division (Mechanized)
54th Infantry Division (Mechanized)
312th Armored Brigade
201st Armored Cavalry Regiment
207th Air Cavalry Combay Brigade
1-215 Cav Sqn (Air)
120th Attack Helicopter Bn

COMBAT SUPPORT UNITS
HHB, I Corps Arty
Btry A, 191st FA (target acquisition)
HHB, 61st FA Group
1-651 FA [155mm towed]
1-652 FA [155mm towed]
2-606 FA [203mm SP]
2-607 FA [2-3mm SP]
HHB, 62nd FA Grp
2-631 FA [155mm SP]
2-632 FA [155mm SP]
2-608 FA [203mm SP]
2-661 FA [203mm SP]
HHB, 63rd FA Grp
2-633 FA [155mm SP]
2-634 FA [155mm SP]
2-609 FA [203mm SP]
2-662 FA [MLRS]
HHB, 64th FA Grp
2-663 FA [203mm SP]
2-664 FA [203mm SP]
1-205 FA [Lance]
1-305 FA [Lance]

AIR DEFENSE ARTILLERY
HHB, 401st ADA Brigade
1-430 ADA [Chap/Vulc]
1-431 ADA [Chap/Vulc]
2-461 ADA [IHAWK]
2-462 ADA [IHAWK]
1-451 ADA [Patriot]

AVIATION
HHC 102nd Avn Grp
133rd Avn Co (Corps)
296th MI Co (Aerial Survl)
151st Avn ATC Unit
173rd Hv Hel Co
121st Attack Hel Bn
110th Combat Aviation Bn
111 Combat Aviation Bn
130th Medium Helicopter Bn

CHEMICAL
333rd-337th Cml Det (NBCE)
356th-359th Cml Det (NBC Agt Sampling & Analy)
400th-405th Cml Det (Cbt Spt)
460th-466th Cml Det (Decon)
450th-456th Cml Det (Decon)

ENGINEER
HHC 51st Engineer Combat Brigade
HHC 61st-62nd Engineer Combat Groups
500th-511th Engineer Combat Bn (Corps)
550th-551st Eng Cbt Bn (Hvy)
5000th Eng Topo Co (Corps)
5006th-5007th Eng Dump Truck Co
5035th-5036th Eng Pnl Bridge Co
5045th Eng Asslt Bridge Co
5076th Eng Mdm Girder Bridge Co
5080th-5081st Eng Cbt Spt Eq Co
5115th Eng Co (ADM)
5665th Eng Det (Water Purification)

COMBAT ELECTRONIC WARFARE INTELLIGENCE
200th Aerial Xlt Bn
210th Tax Xplt Bn
220th EW Bn

MILITARY POLICE
230th MP Bn

PSYCHOLOGICAL OPERATIONS
200th PSYOP Bn
283rd PSYOP Tac Bn

SIGNAL
HHC, 20th Signal Brigade
700th Signal Bn (Corps)
712th Signal Bn
704th Area Signal Bn

RESTRUCTURED GENERAL SUPPORT
90th Mat Cen (Armt & Cbt Veh)
92nd Mat Cen (WVeh)
94th Mat Cen (Comm & Elect)
96th Mat Cen (Grnd Spt Equip)
98th Mat Cen (Msl)
70th Spt Cen (Avn)
20th Gen Sup Cen

AMMUNITION
55th-56th Ammo Bn

MAINTENANCE
90th Maint Bn (GS)
95th Maint Bn (DS)
71st Trans Ac Maint Bn (DS/GS)
924th-925th LE Maint Co (GS)
930th-931st Hvy Eq Maint Co (GS)
700th-701st Trans Ac Maint Co (DS)
900th-901st Maint Co (Rr) (DS)
908th-910th Lt Maint Co (Fwd) (DS)
706th-707th Trans Ac Maint Co (GS)
932nd-933rd Coll & Class Co
934th Tire Repair Co

MEDICAL
HHD, 80th Medical Brigade
800th-809th Medical Bn
850th-852nd Med Air Amb Co
855th-860th Med Amb Co
865th-868th Med Clearance Co
809th-813th Cbt Spt Hosp
834th-836th Evac Hosp
845th-848th MEDSOM

PERSONAL & ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES
10th Pers & Admin Bn
100th-101st Pers Svc Co
108th Admin Svcs Det
110th-112th Repl Reg Det
126th-143rd AG Postal Service Org
144th-145th SPS Org
148th-149th Army Band

FINANCE
110th-114th Fin Svc Org

SUPPLY & SERVICES
33rd Petrol Group
20th-22nd Sup & Svc Bn
31st-32nd Petrol Op Bn
33rd Petrol Sup Bn (GS)
201st-204th Sup & Svc Co (DS)
223rd-225th Fld Svc Co (GS)(Fwd)
235th Fld Svc Co (GS)
238th-241st Gen Sup Co (GS)
248th-249th Rep Parts Sup Co (GS)(Corps)
236th Hv Mat Cpt Co (GS)
253rd-254th Ac & Msl Repair Parts Co
255th-256th QM Adrp Sup Co
257th-260th Petrl Sup Co
280th-281st Eng Eq Op Tm (Water Purif)
278th QM Svc Org (Petrol Prod Lab)

CIVIL AFFAIRS
50th CA Bn

TRANSPORTATION (LESS AVN)
HHC, 7th Trans Bde
HHC, 70th-71st TMT Grp
771st-778th TMT Bn
701st-704th Trans Lt Trk Co (2.5-ton)
705th-708th Trans Lt Trk Co (5-ton)
709th-720th Trans Med Trk Co (Cgo)
721st-724th Trans Med Trk Co (Petrol)
729th-730th Trans Hv Trk Co


As you can see, there is quite an extensive list of support units, and this is just for a single Corps! I should note, that while this is the doctrine troop list, in real life, no Corps had this many support units during the Cold War.
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Old 01-23-2011, 11:23 AM
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As you can see, there is quite an extensive list of support units, and this is just for a single Corps! I should note, that while this is the doctrine troop list, in real life, no Corps had this many support units during the Cold War.
That is the truth in real life none of the units had their full compliment until they were deploying...*shrug*
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Old 01-23-2011, 04:18 PM
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good stuff dragoon. thanks!
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Old 01-23-2011, 05:02 PM
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good stuff dragoon. thanks!
No Prob!

Just for a trivia....this troop list represents over 350 TO&E tables....someday I'll get my greedy claws on all of them!
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Yeah well WWII the US had planned on some 187 Divisions, but ended up with half of that since so many troops were needed for support roles.
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Yeah well WWII the US had planned on some 187 Divisions, but ended up with half of that since so many troops were needed for support roles.
A lot of that was Army Ground Forces desire to have the smallest, most combat effective division. Then grouping the extra units at Army/Corps level...too bad they didn't realize that once the ole fhit hit the san that the divisions would latch onto as many extra combat elements as they could get their greedy hands on. 1st Infantry Division, at one time had two tank bns, two tank destroyer bns, a cavalry sqn, three antiaircraft bns, two field artillery bns and a combat command from an armored division....maybe the stories about the Army consisting of the Big Red One and a million replacements were true!

S&T magazine, back in the SPI days, did a study and figured out that if the "extra" combat elements had been converted into divisions, that at least another 42 divisions could have been fielded. One thing was for sure....a lot of waste and duplicated effort went into fielding the WWII army.
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Yeah well WWII the US had planned on some 187 Divisions, but ended up with half of that since so many troops were needed for support roles.
They also didn't quite account for the manpower that would be needed to field the Army Air Force and base forces, either. They had to compromise on 90 divisions.

A big reason the divisions were stripped down as much as they were, was to minimize the shipping needed to send them overseas. After all, a division going to the Pacific might not need the tank-destroyer battalion or tank battalion that an ETO division did. And even then, there were not enough GHQ tank or TD battalions for each infantry division to keep one of each permanently, they rotated among divisions as needed in the ETO.

As it was, just about all of the "normal" attachments (tank battalion, AAA battalion) were standardized in the postwar TO&E.
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That is the truth in real life none of the units had their full compliment until they were deploying...*shrug*
In truth, no service has fielded all of the doctrine units since WWII! And I doubt that we will ever see mobilization on that kind of scale ever again.

Still, as a paper study, it has its points
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Talking about all of the various units that go into a Corps reminded me that I have a copy of a "doctrine" listing. This is the US Army Command & General Staff College Reference Book 101-1. This uses the Division 86 TO&E, but it is useful for showing all of the "tail" that supports the "teeth". Needless to say, these are are not real units, the names have been changed to protect the innocent! .
Great info there. I use to have a 101-1. I foreget, does the 101-1 have troop list for Theater Army or Field Army as well as the corps? I think I heard the doctrine has pretty much done away with Field Armies and relys on TA units to support the rear of the corps, where FA use to.

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Old 01-31-2011, 05:29 AM
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Great info there. I use to have a 101-1. I foreget, does the 101-1 have troop list for Theater Army or Field Army as well as the corps? I think I heard the doctrine has pretty much done away with Field Armies and relys on TA units to support the rear of the corps, where FA use to.

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My copy of 101-1 does not list Army level forces. From my reading of the General Staff series, while Field Armies do exist, they mostly are used for Command & Control purposes with the old Army function of supply/support and intelligence being bumped up to Command level...part of this joint services drive.
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