Belize

[James Langham]

Anyone have any canon references to Belize?

[Targan]

An army marches on its Belize?

[ArmySGT.]

Originally Posted by Targan

An army marches on its Belize?

[kalos72]

General Pain did a Belize guide once...i tried to upload it here but it failed. Search his hisotry...

[Legbreaker]

I believe there's only reference to Belize in Merc:2000 and/or the Gazetter. It's not exactly T2K, but I can't think of too many reasons why it can't still be incorporated in some form or other.

[James Langham]

Thanks guys, didn't think there were any. Having reread "The Long Reach" by Mike Lunnon-Wood I have a few plans...

[Rainbow Six]

You're probably aware of this, but on the off chance that you're not Rowland White (same guy who wrote Vulcan 607) wrote a non fiction work about Belize called Phoenix Squadron which may be of some use.

[pmulcahy11b]

Originally Posted by kalos72

General Pain did a Belize guide once...i tried to upload it here but it failed. Search his hisotry...

I have a PDF of a website someone did in the past about Central america in T2K called "Copan" -- sadly, I have failed so far in contacting the author. He has some interesting stuff about Central america.

I actually have several PDFs of lost websites, but only one person (TR) has given me permission to post his site.

[General Pain]

Originally Posted by kalos72

General Pain did a Belize guide once...i tried to upload it here but it failed. Search his hisotry...

yup - weirdly enough it has gone missing....

I will try to find it when I'm home from work btw

-GP

it used to be at the site...

www.thebigbookofwar.50megs.com

[Raellus]

Does anyone know how one would become an instructor at BATSUB (i.e. military career-path)? Working on PC backstory and skills and would like to know. I've exhausted my GoogleFu and I'm hoping someone here has some info to share.

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[Rainbow Six]

To the best of my knowledge given the very, very small number of instructors the permanent staff are most likely going to have been people who have previously attended the school as students and impressed the staff with their performance at that time so been 'invited' back as an instructor at a later time.

So I would say you're looking at a former student who graduated the Jungle Warfare School with high / top marks earlier in their career and has one of the permanent staff as one of their contacts. In theory they could be from pretty much any Regiment or Corps but most likely to be Infantry, Engineers, Artillery, or Signals (the Royal Armoured Corps didn't have much demand for the Jungle Warfare School but it's not impossible). Another option would probably be the RAF Regiment.

(I presume you know that BATSUB as it is only came into being in the mid 1990's so may not exist in a T2K timeline)

[Mahatatain]

The base/structure may have become "BATSUB" in the mid-90s but my understanding is there have been British forces in Belize for a lot longer than that. My guess is that BATSUB is just a name change to what was already there.

[boogiedowndonovan]

Originally Posted by James Langham

Anyone have any canon references to Belize?

Like Legbreaker said, the closest would be the Merc 2000 Gazetter entry for Belize. Neighboring Guatemala claims that Belize is actually part of Guatemala and sends in the troops. The Belize Defense Forces respond, the UK raises some mercs, as does the US. I can't remember the specifics but the implication was that the US air mobile group is actually paid for by US oil companies.

Here's a wikipedia entry on the real life Guatemala/Belize dispute:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guatema...zean_territory

Anyone know what real life UK forces were stationed in Belize in 1994?

and would the invasion of Belize even happen in T2K? Guatemala with US support was fighting a communist style insurgency in the 80's.

[dude_uk]

The forces posted in 1994 are probably more a reflection of the budget cuts of the 1990's, rather than actually helping defend Belize against Guatamala. During the 1980's there were 1,500.

Here's a rough ORBAT that I came up with:


633 (Belize) Signals Troop RSIGS

1 X Infantry Battalion / 1x Infantry Company (Depending on political climate)

Battery Royal Artillery
Blowpipe Troop, 43 AD Battery

52 Field Sqn RE

‘Detachment’- 7 Regiment AAC

24 Transport Sqn RCT (Until 1992)

78 (BELIZE) Coy RAOC (Until 1992)

(Belize) Provost Plt RMP

[Rainbow Six]

There was also a Royal Air Force presence

Six Harriers were stationed in Belize from 1977 until July 1993, initially as Harrier Detachment (Hardet) Belize which became 1417 Flight.

1563 Flight operated the Puma helicopter until it was withdrawn in 1994.

[Olefin]

Some of the draw down was also that Guatemala began to accept the fact that Belize could exist as an independent nation, whereas in the 1980' there was a real chance that Guatemala would invade the country.

Now given the state of Britain by say 1998 that could easily change.

By the way one thing to take into account would be the effect of Hurricane Mitch in late 1998 on the whole of Central America and how that would affect an area that already would be reeling from the affects of the war.

(i.e. keep in mind that the only Central American nation besides Mexico producing any oil would be Guatemala - so the only way for them to run vehicles would be either methanol or ethanal - here comes Mitch and a lot of damage to agriculture so there goes the ethanol)

[kato13]

Originally Posted by Olefin

(i.e. keep in mind that the only Central American nation besides Mexico producing any oil would be Guatemala - so the only way for them to run vehicles would be either methanol or ethanal - here comes Mitch and a lot of damage to agriculture so there goes the ethanol)

If you are going for realism, methanol production will not work as it does in the game. While it makes for interesting gameplay it is not possible given chemical and biological restrictions. I still cringe a bit whenever i see someone mention it in a discussion of large scale post apocalyptic logistics. I understand it counters canon, but to me it is actually less realistic than zombies.

For more information see here http://forum.juhlin.com/showthread.php?t=226

[General Pain]

Originally Posted by James Langham

Anyone have any canon references to Belize?

Hi James.

I made these some years back, not canon at all but IMHO a good addon to running games down there...

http://thebigbookofwar.50megs.com/DOX/0-SOURCEBOOKS/