OT: Female Rangers: Bobbi Lee's real-life counterpart is coming

[Matt Wiser]

Saw this on Google News: The Army is apparently getting very serious about women in combat arms. How serious? Serious enough that Ranger School may soon start to admit women.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...84G00820120517

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/...1TU_story.html

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...MBnNK7Jaw9QyOQ

It's coming, gents......

[Targan]

As long as females don't have their own special physical standards it's all good.

[Raellus]

Apparently, the USMC is starting to move in that direction as well.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/25/us...ont-lines.html

[Graebarde]

Originally Posted by Matt Wiser

Saw this on Google News: The Army is apparently getting very serious about women in combat arms. How serious? Serious enough that Ranger School may soon start to admit women.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...84G00820120517

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/...1TU_story.html

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...MBnNK7Jaw9QyOQ

It's coming, gents......

As long as standards are not lowered for the shemales, no problem in Ranger course. What 99% fail to understand is the Ranger course is a LEADERSHIP course, not a combat arms enchancement of combat skills really. Yes there is emphasis on infantry combat patrolling, but it's really how well are you doing as a leader. THAT is what you're really (are at least were in the past) graded on. And not just by the Tacs but your peers as well.

Old School Ranger

[pmulcahy11b]

Originally Posted by Graebarde

As long as standards are not lowered for the shemales, no problem in Ranger course. What 99% fail to understand is the Ranger course is a LEADERSHIP course, not a combat arms enchancement of combat skills really. Yes there is emphasis on infantry combat patrolling, but it's really how well are you doing as a leader. THAT is what you're really (are at least were in the past) graded on. And not just by the Tacs but your peers as well.

Old School Ranger

Ranger School is a leadership course, but it's also a gut check -- can you keep going and making good decisions when your average person would fail? Even the Swim Test and RIP are primarily gut checks.

As far as women who could pass Ranger school -- I've met several women in the Army who could make it as Infantrymen, but only one who could pass Ranger School -- Diana Stork. She's not tall, isn't bulging with muscle (though she is definitely strong), but she has the willpower, intelligence, leadership ability, and constitution to do it. And you wouldn't kick her out of bed either...

[Legbreaker]

Originally Posted by pmulcahy11b

And you wouldn't kick her out of bed either...

But does she rate next to Jessica?

[weswood]

Originally Posted by Legbreaker

But does she rate next to Jessica?

I think I'm sensing a little obsession here, Leg.

[Panther Al]

Originally Posted by Legbreaker

But does she rate next to Jessica?

Originally Posted by weswood

I think I'm sensing a little obsession here, Leg.

As obsessions goes..




I'm ok with that one.

[Legbreaker]

Originally Posted by weswood

I think I'm sensing a little obsession here, Leg.

I'm sensing a certain lack of moral fibre here too...

I mean how can you justify NOT having an obsession with such divine perfection!?

[Graebarde]

Originally Posted by pmulcahy11b

Ranger School is a leadership course, but it's also a gut check -- can you keep going and making good decisions when your average person would fail? Even the Swim Test and RIP are primarily gut checks.

As far as women who could pass Ranger school -- I've met several women in the Army who could make it as Infantrymen, but only one who could pass Ranger School -- Diana Stork. She's not tall, isn't bulging with muscle (though she is definitely strong), but she has the willpower, intelligence, leadership ability, and constitution to do it. And you wouldn't kick her out of bed either...

You are quite right and I fully agree. The qualities you mention are what counts. Size and body strenght are NOT everything. It's what you have between your ears and in your heart. OH.. but she could NEVER be an InfantryMAN..

[pmulcahy11b]

Originally Posted by Graebarde

You are quite right and I fully agree. The qualities you mention are what counts. Size and body strenght are NOT everything. It's what you have between your ears and in your heart. OH.. but she could NEVER be an InfantryMAN..

Infantryperson?

[Webstral]

Ranger School is not an infantry school, though infantry tactics and training are the vehicle by which learning is acquired. Ranger School is a leadership school. What happens in Ranger School and what happens in the Ranger Regiment are very, very different. There is a certain logic to having women be tabbed [wear the Ranger tab above their unit patch, signifying graduation from Ranger school] if they are going to be in leadership positions and they are competing for promotion with men who can be expected to be tabbed. If the male leaders in a given MOS generally are not tabbed, then there is no compelling reason to open the school to women from that MOS. In other words, if male artillery crews and MPs are attending Ranger School, then it's hard to justify keeping the women out.

I'm still not ready to see women in tank crews and infantry squads. Call me old fashioned. The shenanigans caused by having women in any unit can add up to real problems. Men in their late teens have enough maturity challenges without adding more. While this might be tolerable in combat support and combat service support units, I cringe to think of the effect on the infantry and tankers. I say this as a man who served in MI for three years in a variety of positions, mostly under female supervisors.

[Graebarde]

Originally Posted by pmulcahy11b

Infantryperson?

Naw.. doesn't have the ring. Light Weapons Specialist is how the 11B use to be.

[Snake Eyes]

I will concur that Ms. Alba represents the final step in perfection of the human genome. I wonder how she'd fare in Ranger school?

[Targan]

Originally Posted by Snake Eyes

I will concur that Ms. Alba represents the final step in perfection of the human genome. I wonder how she'd fare in Ranger school?

Baddum tish! And just like that the clever Snake (or should I call you Mr Eyes?) brings us back to the original topic of this thread. Bravo!

[Legbreaker]

I've a feeling she wouldn't have to raise a finger to pass it. How many of the staff would be willing for her to break a fingernail, or *gasp* get a splinter!?
All she'd need to do is flash that dazzling smile (and perhaps a few other body parts) and INSTANT PASS!

[pmulcahy11b]

Originally Posted by Snake Eyes

I will concur that Ms. Alba represents the final step in perfection of the human genome. I wonder how she'd fare in Ranger school?

You take Jessica Alba. I'll take a badass woman with a bit of a soft side like Angelina Jolie as Emma Salt in the movie Salt. Emma Salt could probably manage Ranger School, Q-Course, SERE, and BUDS.

[Legbreaker]

Angelina's ok, but she lacks taste.
Seriously, Brad??? What's THAT all about?