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Old 09-15-2012, 06:00 AM
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Default The Royal Belgian Navy

The Royal Belgium Navy at the start of the Twilight War (1996)

Personnel: 4,418 personnel.
Naval Aviation: 3 Alouette III B helos. The Belgian Air Force operates 5 Sea King Mk48 helos for SAR duties.

4 Wielingen-class Type E71 Frigates
F 910 Wielingen; F 911 Westdiep; F 912 Wandelaar; F 913 Westhinder
Displacement of 2,283 tons. Speed of 25kts. Crew of 160.
Armament consists of two twin MM38 Exocet SSM launchers, one eight-cell NATO Sea Sparrow SAM launcher, one single 100mm Model 1968 Gun, one six barreled 375mm ASW Mortar, two single torpedo tubes. Extensive modernization has lowered the ships speed from their original 28kts. Intended to add Goalkeeper CIWS, but shortage of funds prevents this.

0 + 10 deep-sea minehunter/sweepers
Displacement of 610 tons. Speed of 15kts. Crew of 30. Armament consists of one single 20mm, two single 12.7mm HMGs. A joint project with Norway, Holland and Portugal. Has seen extensive delays and cost overruns.

10 Tripartite-class mine hunters
M 915 Aster; M 916 Bellis; M 917 Crocus; M 918 Dianthus; M 919 Fuchsia; M 920 Iris; M 921 Lobelia; M 922 Myosotis; M 923; Narcis; M 924 Primula
Displacement of 595 tons. Speed of 15kts. Crew of 49. Armament consists of one single 20mm AA Gun, two single 12.7mm HMGs. Class of mine hunters built in cooperation with the French and Dutch. Glass-reinforced plastic hull. Uses two remote controlled mine locators. Built with a decompression chamber to support mine clearance divers.

6 ex US Dash-class oceangoing minesweepers/mine hunters
M 902 J.E. van Haverbeke; M 903 A.F. Dufour; D 904 De Brouwer; M 906 Breydel; M 908 Georges Truffaut; M 909 Francois Bovesse
Displacement of 780 tons. Speed of 14kts. Crew of 72. Armament consists of one twin 12.7mm HMG. Fitted with remote-controlled mine hunting submersibles. Wooden hull. M 907 Artevelde stricken in 1985.

4 ex US Adjutant-class coastal minesweepers
M 929 Heist; M 930 Rochefort; M 932 Nieuwpoort; M 933 Koksijde
Displacement of 390 tons. Speed of 13.5kts. Crew of 48. Armament consists of one single 40mm Bofors. All slated for retirement in 1992.

1 Zinnia-class command & logistic support ship for mine countermeasures
A 961 Zinnia
Displacement of 2,685 tons. Speed of 18kts. Crew of 123. Armament consists of three single 40mm Bofors, one Alouette IIIB helo.

1 Godetia-class command & logistic support ship for mine countermeasures
A 960 Godetia
Displacement of 2,500 tons. Speed of 18kts. Crew of 95.
Armament consists of one single 40mm Bofors, two twin and two single 12.7mm HMGs. Can also act as oceanographic research ship. Formerly served as the Royal Yacht.

Source is the “Combat Fleets of the World: 1993”
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Old 09-17-2012, 08:57 AM
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Considering how closely the Belgian Navy worked with its other NATO counterparts I could see at least a couple of their ships refusing to just sit there and not join the war on the Russians. Also remember that a significant part of Belguim is not French in nature but actually more Dutch.

Thus the chance of ships defecting with crews or command personnel who dont have French ethnic backgrounds is a distinct possiblity.
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It's fascinating how the Belgian Navy appears purpose-built for mine warfare. There's good sense to it, of course. Keeping the sea lanes to the ports of northwestern Europe open would have been of paramount importance.
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Old 09-17-2012, 07:48 PM
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It's fascinating how the Belgian Navy appears purpose-built for mine warfare. There's good sense to it, of course. Keeping the sea lanes to the ports of northwestern Europe open would have been of paramount importance.
I noticed the same thing. It's like they are NATOs minesweeper force. From an economic point of view it probably makes sense. They aren't a big country and they can make the most of their budgets using less expensive ships.
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Keep in mind how far inland Antwerp - its not a typical coastal port. It location makes it very very easy to mine the channel leading to it. In many ways its similar to Narvik - i.e. you can hold the port but cant use it because you mine the approach channels effectively and thus its useless.

Plus Belguim really has no need for a blue water navy with no colonies or overseas dependencies so it takes a much more brown water navy approach.
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To the list you want to add the following MSI class inshore minesweepers - they had been decommissioned by 1993 but held in storage for war emergency (similar to the British Ham or Ley class)

M471 Hasselt - transferred to Belgian Sea Cadet Corps in 1993 and brought back into service with the beginning of the war
M474 Turnhout
M475 Tongeren
M476 Merksem
M477 Oudenaarde - decommissioned 1989 & stored on dry land - brought back into service with the war start
M478 Herstal
M482 Visé
M483 Ougrée
M484 Dinant
M485 Andenne

You also have the old river patrol boat P902 still in commission
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It's fascinating how the Belgian Navy appears purpose-built for mine warfare. There's good sense to it, of course. Keeping the sea lanes to the ports of northwestern Europe open would have been of paramount importance.
That was a purposeful choice by NATO and Belgium made in the 1970s. As post-WW2 ships were retired, and left without a need to support overseas colonies, Belgium held down her costs and concentrated on (smaller) anti-mine vessels and technologies that would be deployed close to home - the North Sea and English Channel and left ocean wandering to France, Britain and the United States, and coastal missile boats and submarines to Germany and Norway who would be a front line against Warsaw Pact navies.

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In our history, I see the fleet being mainly used to protect Belgian waters with the threat of attacking anything found there.
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I agree with you there James - with it possibly being in action against Netherlands and German ships as well as Soviet and marauders. From reading the canon those NATO navies would have had engagements with the Belgians and French and are still at war with them.

And considering the state of the German and Dutch navies one of the few ways they would have to hit back against both Belgium and France would be naval mines - which can be emplaced by anything the size of a small fishing boat and up which there are still a lot of afloat.

You could also see a renegade Belgian ship or ships that refused to join in the attacks on fellow NATO members either in exile in the UK or joining to fight their fellow countrymen - especially those crewed mainly by Flemish crewmembers
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