What happened to US troops and equipment in turncoat nations?

[raketenjagdpanzer]

I know there's no US detachments in France, but regarding Italy and others, what, do they imprison the US troops, deport them and seize their equipment, order them out of the country with all their gear wholesale? What?

[Rainbow Six]

I'm travelling at the moment so don't have a copy to hand but I think Med Cruise may cover some locations. As best as I can remember no nation goes from US ally to US enemy overnight - initially at least they all adopt a neutral stance, so I think most likely option is a US withdrawal from the bases / nations in question, probably in an orderly manner and to an agreed timescale and probably with all of their equipment / material. There might be some local friction initially but I don't think any of the host Governments involved would risk US retaliation by actively trying to seize US personnel / equipment at such an early stage of the War. Host Goverments would probably also want the Americans out of their countries ASAP as perception is likely to be that their presence makes their countries potential targets. So I go for a relatively peaceful but also relatively rapid departure.

[Olefin]

Med Cruise is not exactly the most well written module as to what happened with the NATO allies. Having the Spanish not support NATO, especially after getting nuked by the Russians in the exchange is not a very realistic depiction at all of a country that at the time still had a very significant history of opposition to the Soviets.

If anything I could see Spain splitting apart during the war with a renewed fight between the left who would support the Soviets and the right who would support NATO.

If anyone was seized by the French, Greeks and Italians it may have been Air Force, Naval and Army personnel who were unlucky enough to be in those nations when they actively went hostile - i.e. aircraft and naval crews who were there because they had to land for repairs or fuel or whatever.

However they may have just been interned instead of being POW's - especially those in France.

[Raellus]

I don't know. It's not a like-for-like comparison, but Spain did kind of knuckle under after the Madrid train bombings and, by comparison to a T2K type scenario, the casualties were minimal and the enemy not nearly as dangerous. It's not beyond the realm of comprehension for the Cold War Spanish government to respond to a nuclear bloody nose by bowing out of the war.

I don't see U.S. forces being pulled from formerly allied nations that suddenly start putting out a lukewarm vibe. On the other hand, some "turncoat nations" might expel U.S. personnel prior to officially turning coats. I think what "turncoat nations" do with American personnel and materiel depends on the timing of their respective declared changes of heart. If it's after things go nuclear, I suspect they'd intern U.S. personnel, effectively turning them into hostages/human shields against a possible American nuclear response. Any American materiel would be "impounded" and eventually used. I don't have my v1.0 timeline in front of me at the moment, so I can't be more specific.

[mpipes]

Perhaps a more interesting question is what happens to US nationals after war with NATO and those nations break out. Typically, those civilians will be expelled or interned. Do you get back to the states and find out your sister was interned in Italy? Does your team make to OMEGA pullout out only to learn your families were was interned in France while trying to evacuate just as the after nukes start flying? Or, you're a group of interned civilians, and after things get "bad" decide you have to escape to US forces.

As far as NATO, the treaty specifies withdrawal of troops and equipment. We would leave ASAP I'm sure.

[stormlion1]

Just how do you 'intern' a base full of military personnel without killing all of them? I don't just see the troops laying down there arms just because a host nation tells them to. If the place has a airstrip I could see the fenceline being manned and personnel being flown out and any equipment that couldn't be transported out being destroyed in place or if not disabled as much as possible. It might be possible with a small post but most military bases are pretty big and it wouldn't be easily done, or done quietly.