System advice. Which do you use?

[Michael Lewis]

What rpg system do you use for a post-apocalyptic style game such as Twilight 2000 and why?

A little history:

I've had the original Twilight 2000 rules since it first came out. I've read some criticisms about automatic fire rules and the vehicle combat being too complex. I discovered 2013 and loved the count down turn system. We tried to play a session or two but no one enjoyed the complexities and it seemed like you needed a detailed map for every combat.
I found Gun Master, which is based on Harnmaster with it's percentage base and no H.P system. I read up on Harnmaster III then Gun Master. There seems very little support for it so I don't think it would be worth continuing it.

That is my quandary. A good system that allows for tactical play but is not so difficult to teach to newbie players.

Michael

[Targan]

Which stage of the T2013 rules were you using? Stages 1, 2 and 3 go from pretty simple to quite complex. If T2013 was too complicated for your players' liking there was no way they would've liked Gunmaster anyway, that's about as complex as it gets.

[Michael Lewis]

Well, I guess that's good to know.

[kcdusk]

I loved V1.0 back in the day. I loved the tone and feel that it created, and i really liked the vehicle damage rules. I dont know if i ever got the single shot or burst fire rules correct though.

I never played V2.0. V2.2 was already out before i came across it and i have never opened it.

V2.2 is excellent. It has 98% of the feel of V1.0, the single shot and burst rules are much better (though i still hate the burst rules in V2.2). The vehicle rules are simplified, but are maybe 95% as good as V1.0. So all up V2.2 keeps all the good bits, and improves some of the bad ones of V1.0, and i think V2.2 is the best set of T2K rules. I have not seen/played 2013 (sorry, i cant remember its actual name!).

I play V2.2 most of the time, with house rules that fix the parts i think are broken.

Another set of rules i really like, is the James Bond rules set. I like the way a single roll to perform any task, results in a miss, or any of 4 different kinds of success. Just a great system in terms of difficulty levels and a single roll resulting in any of 5 results. The chase/pursuit rules are also the best i have seen. I really like the James Bond rules, at the same time i dont think they transfer that well to T2K. Hmmm, what i mean is the rules are great, but the weapons are slighted to favour pistols, so the whole weapon system would need to be stat-ed out which would be too much work.

I dont mind my house rules for V2.2 or tinkering with them. But oddly, i dont have any house rules for James Bond, i like the rules just the way they are.

[cavtroop]

I'm a big fan of the Twilight:2013 rules myself. just with I could find a group to play with

I also love the 1st edition rules - never got into 2nd edition at all, so can't speak to them.

[Adm.Lee]

I loved v1 way back when, but I loved v2 even more once I got good with it. I never owned v2.2, but have the v2.1 that came in the GMs screen, and occasionally borrowed a player's v2.2 book.

Anymore, I have been experimenting with mixing them up-- primarily v1's initiative/hesitation rule into v2.1 games.

I've recently bought Mongoose Traveller, but not done much with it. I like its combat rules in theory, but have not put them to a good test yet.

I've gotten into Savage Worlds pretty heavily for other action-games-with-guns, I would like to try something modern or Twilight-ish with that batch of rules, too.