US Unit in China

[rcaf_777]

Branching off from the WP units in China, what about a US unit is China?

I mean something a Intel Unit that gather intel from WP and Soviet POW, or techincal Intel from captured equipment?

[boogiedowndonovan]

Originally Posted by rcaf_777

Branching off from the WP units in China, what about a US unit is China?

I mean something a Intel Unit that gather intel from WP and Soviet POW, or techincal Intel from captured equipment?

In my opinion,

That would probably be the realm of the CIA/DIA/NSA, at least before the US crosses the inter German border and engages the Warsaw Pact. The CIA Special Activities Division would conceivably run some operations in China before official US engagement.

You might also get some "retired" US personnel as observers attached to Chinese units.

You might also get some civilian tech reps once the West starts selling weapons and equipment to China.

Likewise with other NATO and even non NATO nations that are opposed to the Soviet Union (ie Israel, South Africa). They may send some observers as well and even clandestine intelligence officers, but anything overt, probably not at the start.

We've discussed foreign volunteers ala the Flying Tigers as well in previous threads.

Once NATO officially commits against the Warsaw Pact, then yes, you may see units deployed, and foreign volunteer formations may even get official designation similar to how the Flying Tigers became part of the US Army Air Corps.

[mpipes]

The 2nd Infantry Division for certain. Marines too. Anything that went to S. Korea/Japan likely ended up in China. Other forces that ended up in China include the UK's Hong Kong garrison, at least two Australian Divisions, a New Zealand brigade or division, a Japanese force, a Taiwanese Division, probably a Filipino force, and as much of S. Korea's army as can get there. Everyone would be hating the Soviets, and I believe everyone would be there at some point.

[mikeo80]

I respectfully disagree with MPIPES on units in China. There is the small matter of North Korea. The US forces would still be deadlocked facing North Korea. Now IF the Norks throw in with China, and come to some kind of agreement with South Korea, then maybe this would work.

Another consideration, transporting this much fire power to China. The SU nuked China without mercy. Port cities would certainly be on the list. Especially once the US starts sending supplies of AT weapons. (Per 1.0 and 2.2 canon)

A third consideration, 7th Fleet. How much is left? We all know what happened in the Atlantic and the Baltic between USSR and NATO. I have to re-read the Naval units that are left after TDM.

Fourth Consideration, shipping ability. How much cargo/personnel shipping is left? Especially with so much emphasis on NATO.

I think I will get off of my soap box now.

My $0.02

Mike

[boogiedowndonovan]

If you go by cannnnon, 2nd ID and other units deployed to South Korea fend off the North Korean invasion and push the North Koreans all the way north into China, then link up with the Chinese army. Once nukes enter the picture, the US units are pushed back to Korea and basically end up where they started hunkered down behind the fortifications at the DMZ.

I don't have the US Vehicle Guide in front of me, but at least one of the US divisions, 2nd ID I think, is briefly cut off and comes under command of one of the Chinese armies. Then once the nukes start flying, makes it way back to ROK. One of the other divisions abandons its heavy equipment, and the 7th LID and 25th LID are basically overrun and reform in ROK with less that 1000 survivors.

so technically yes, US forces were deployed to China.

Cannnnon also has the British forces in Hong Kong forming the 6th ID and heading north. As far as other Asia-Pacific nations joining, in my campaign the Australians and Kiwis contribute smaller forces, battalion each.

Australians sending 2 divisions and New Zealand sending a division? not sure about that, the Aussies on this board would have better information but that is pretty much their entire army including reserves. Likewise with New Zealand, which is much smaller.

not sure about the Japanese sending ground forces either, too much bad feelings from the last war. Aircraft and naval forces, definitely, but not ground troops. not to mention the Japanese facing the Soviets over the Kuriles. V2 has the Soviets and Japanese fighting over the Kuriles and Sakhalin islands.

but if they work for your campaign, so be it.

I could see the Taiwanese intervening and sending an expeditionary force. I do that in my campaign.

By the OP's wording, I took it to mean a US unit sent to China before the hostilities between NATO and WP. Its possible that a US unit is sent to Hong Kong during that time since Hong Kong at that time was technically not "Chinese". After hostilities, then who knows.

[Olefin]

I think the US forces may actually in some places be north of the DMZ or at least its inferred. Always had issues with how the canon has the US forces hurt so badly in Korea. The Russian forces assigned to that area, to say it bluntly, couldnt have done that level of damage to the US forces. And the NK forces seem to have had their heads handed to them by the US and Chinese - i.e. if the US is meeting up with them at the Yalu then most likely they have either been very heavily damaged or they have withdrawn into Russia towards Vladivostok.

If you read the Russian unit histories you dont see ones that fought in Korea and then got shifted. Plus there should be Chinese units that retreated with the US back to Korea.

As for Taiwanese forces - with the condition of China right now they may actually have re-invaded the Chinese mainland and re-established a presence there, possibly allying with a local warlord to do so.