Turks shoot down a Russia Su-24

[Olefin]

http://news.yahoo.com/report-turkey-...81734904.html#

http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/24/middle...der/index.html

Figured it would be the Turks who would do the first shoot down

[Schone23666]

Had a feeling something like this would happen, sooner or later. Too many damned players involved in this game already: U.S., Canada (though Canada's withdrawing their aircraft), France, Iran, Russia, Turkey, Iraqi Sunnis, Iraqi Shiites, Syrian Assad loyalists, Syrian rebels (a multitude plethora of splintered factions), Al Qaeda, Islamic State, Hezbollah....not to mention the increasing number of backers that are bankrolling one faction or another, the Gulf States among them....

Hard to tell where this will go. If it just becomes another "incident" with a lot of shouting between diplomats and grist for the political commentators, then it's just par for the course with that shitty region of the world. If it starts leading to other "incidents" though, especially if Putin decides to trump this up as a provocation by NATO? Then I would be especially worried, a lot.

[Olefin]

Oh I can see a Russian jet "accidentally" shooting down a Turkish F-16 as payback

[Schone23666]

Originally Posted by Olefin

Oh I can see a Russian jet "accidentally" shooting down a Turkish F-16 as payback

And I can see the Turks reciprocating in kind, shooting down another not one, but TWO Russian SU-24's or SU-25's, or maybe something meatier? It's all a matter of how far you want to keep pushing buttons...

[Olefin]

I always thought a Turkish Russian start to any Twilight War scenario was a possibility - neither of them like each other and have grudges that go back 600 years or more - and Russia still wants warm water ports and free access to the Med

[Anna Elizabeth]

Sometimes it just feels like Deja Vu. I'm wondering if the true objectives here aren't to get back to the "stability" of the original Cold War/Proxy War times of the fun-lovin' 80s?

[Schone23666]

F**k it, instead of "Twilight 2013", they should've come out with "Twilight: 2015" at this rate.

[Jason Weiser]

A friend of mine (no, I will not say whom), has informed me that this has gotten worse.

1) Both aircrew ejected clean, then were captured and killed by Turkish backed Syrian rebels.

2) The Russian CSAR bird was fired on by a TOW. No word on if the chopper was hit or not.

In short, this smells like a deliberate ambush. I think the Turks knew the Russians used this route for egress from hitting targets deeper in Syria. The Turks had warned the Russians before, so they shot down the a/c, figuring the rebels would capture the aircrew and hold them for an appropriate ransom...

Then the idiots went and killed them...then fired on the CSAR chopper. Yeah, this is just getting better and better...eh? I suspect there will be an escort for all Russian strikes from now on...and there might be a dogfight between the Russians and the Turks not long after that. Where things go from there? Who the hell knows.

My advice though? Check your preps, and make damn sure they are close to hand...I got a bad feeling about this.

[rcaf_777]

thanks but I think I will trust my sources instead, if you want to fear monger go right ahead.

[Anna Elizabeth]

Guys, I'm not intending dis-respect, but these things aren't all that new. I truly do *not* believe one downed Fighter-bomber is going to lead to a nuclear war.

I grew up in the 80s, we used to watch GSFG in grainy news footage during our Sunday meal. KAL007. USS Vincennes shoot down of an Iranian airliner.

I'm betting that we'll hear a lot of saber-rattling, maybe a shootdown of a Turk jet, and then? The Russians will order new Sukhoi-30s to replace obsolete Su-24s. The Turks will ramp up orders for F-35s, leading the rest of NATO to follow. The GOPer candidates will vent a lot of verbal flatulence about "defense", jaw about re-opening the production line for F-22s, the MIC will get richer, and life will go on.

[Rainbow Six]

Originally Posted by Jason Weiser

A friend of mine (no, I will not say whom), has informed me that this has gotten worse.

1) Both aircrew ejected clean, then were captured and killed by Turkish backed Syrian rebels.

2) The Russian CSAR bird was fired on by a TOW. No word on if the chopper was hit or not.

To be fair, none of this is particularly breaking news and / or classified. The BBC were reporting over three hours ago that rebels had killed both pilots after they ejected and I've just watched footage of the helicopter being hit by a missile on the 6pm news (Sky News specifically if anyone wants to watch it). The Russian Defence Ministry have confirmed that one person was killed in the helo strike.

Originally Posted by Anna Elizabeth

Guys, I'm not intending dis-respect, but these things aren't all that new. I truly do *not* believe one downed Fighter-bomber is going to lead to a nuclear war.

Agreed.

[rcaf_777]

Originally Posted by Jason Weiser

My advice though? Check your preps, and make damn sure they are close to hand...I got a bad feeling about this.

Wow I can't belive it I nothing happened image that

[Legbreaker]

Originally Posted by rcaf_777

Wow I can't believe it I nothing happened image that

Yeah, it's funny how it takes more than a small, almost insignificant incident to start a war. Too many people are too ready to jump to conclusions, immediately assume the absolute worst, and overreact. Bad enough that some people are like that, worse that others readily listen to those fear merchants with their predictions of doom. Nothing is better than taking a breath, relaxing for a while, getting all the facts and seeing what happens.

It is better to have it and not need it, than to need it and not have it. I am fairly certain that was the original intent of that particular post.

[Cdnwolf]

Saw this and lol.