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Old 06-06-2017, 09:05 PM
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as the title says.

I know that the IDF and Egypt Air force used C-47s as bombers in 1948. I was reading an airforces monthy June 2017 and the last two pages cover this idea.

Indian AF converted some AN12 in 1967 used in war on May 1971 they carried 29-36 500 pound bombs for carpet bombing.

Again the Indian AF used AN-32's to drop 10 x 1,000 bombs out the back. again it was carpet bombing.

now for the change.


Sudan used AN-26 with 4 bdz-34 weapons hard points the same thing was done to AN-24's and AN-32s each with 4 BDZ-34 pylons that can carry one 500 pound bomb each.

in 2014 Russian was seen using AN-26 with two P-50sh bombs

Iraq is using AN-32B with 4 pylons for 500 pound bombs to include LGB off of BDZ-34 hard points. Russian made FAB500m-62 and m-62PF. they also had a conveyors on the floor in the cargo hold.

I also know that the USMC launch some kind of guide missile.

before tonight I only knew about the C-47's. Now in Twilight 2000 in the middle east and Africa this modification now that jet fighters do not have the pairs or the fuel to stop them.

what would the rules be for something like this?

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Old 06-07-2017, 11:11 AM
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The Daisy Cutter and the MOAB are both dropped from the C-130, C-141, C-5, or C-17. Typically now from the MC-130 is utilized for this now, but the standard chassis is still capable of bring these to the schwerpunkt.
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Old 06-07-2017, 12:19 PM
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An interesting metric is to consider the cost per flight hour of various aircraft. The cost per hour is an estimate of the fuel and maintenance requirements...

C-130 $4750
F-16 $22514
F-15 $41921
A-10 $11500
B-52H$69708
B-1 $57807
B-2 $169313
F-22 $68362
UH-1 $835
UH-60 $2199
CH-47 $2723
CH-53E $20000
AH-64 $3851
AH-1 $1757
F/A-18 18000
V-22 $70000

And finally Air Force One $228800

Sources include Rand Corp and military.com
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An interesting metric is to consider the cost per flight hour of various aircraft. The cost per hour is an estimate of the fuel and maintenance requirements...

C-130 $4750
F-16 $22514
F-15 $41921
A-10 $11500
B-52H$69708
B-1 $57807
B-2 $169313
F-22 $68362
UH-1 $835
UH-60 $2199
CH-47 $2723
CH-53E $20000
AH-64 $3851
AH-1 $1757
F/A-18 18000
V-22 $70000

And finally Air Force One $228800

Sources include Rand Corp and military.com
Some more from 2012, per Time, which had a report from the Air Force comptroller:

A-10 $17716
AC-130U $45986
C-130J $14014
C-17 $23811
C-32A $42936 (Air Force Two, the VP/cabinet official plane)
C-5B $78817
CV-22B $83256
F-15C $41921
F-16C $22514
HH-60G $24475
KC-10A $21170
MC-130H $32752
MQ-1B $3679 (Predator)
MQ-9A $4762 (Reaper)
RQ-4B $49089 (Global Hawk)
T-38C $9355
T-6A $2235
U-2 $30813
UH-1N $13634
VC-25A $161591 (Air Force One)
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The VNAF used C-130s as makeshift bombers in 1975, rolling bombs on pallets out the rear cargo door. They also dropped at least one Daisy Cutter-which hit the HQ of the NVA 341st Division and wiped it out during the Battle of Xuan Loc.
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Old 06-08-2017, 01:46 PM
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Mounting and dropping bombs from a transport is not a big problem.

Doing so with accuracy is. Such drops are as much luck as anything else. Most transports lack targeting systems.

If your target is a town, you can probably hit something in the town. If your target is a particular building or a bridge or a section or road... small chances exist, but no more than that.

You can improve accuracy by flying lower, closer to the target - which makes you an easier target for any AA guns; fly real low, and AA missiles have a hard time getting a lock on you (but small arms can).

You can add the German Ju52 to your list; the original version in 1936 had bombbay doors and was used a bomber in Spain briefly - but the losses in aircraft and pilots soon became too expensive, and bombbay doors were dropped from the design.


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