T2K v2.2 Advantages/Disadvantages?

[TyCaine]

My group and I play T2K v2.2 almost exclusively and have a heavily modified character generation system (based partly on homebrew, Mitch Berg and Paul Mulcahy's), but one thing my players have been asking for is a way to personalize their characters a little more, and since I play other games with such things I was wondering if there was any Advantages/Disadvantages house rules floating around out there.

I know T2K13 has some A/D rules, but I haven't been able to look at them, or have any experience with converting them if I had.

Has anyone seen or developed some v2.2 A/D rules?

Thanks in advance!

[wolffhound79]

personalize how? like background, growing up?

[pmulcahy11b]

GURPS has a host of such that could conceivably mined for such. Unfortunately, for me, it would at the end of a long list.

[StainlessSteelCynic]

Like wolffhound mentioned, I think it would be useful to know what your friend means by "personalize".
What particular aspects of the character are they thinking of?

[TyCaine]

I think he meant Personalize by specific quirks for either positive or negative game effects.

Personalize so that two characters who are essentially the same apart from a few skill points, say two Tank crewmen, so that they might be more identifiable.
Perhaps one positive quirk (advantage) might be he's an excellent student and finds it easier to learn certain skills, another might have some sort of direction sense making it easier to navigate.

Picking a few off the top of my head from other games might include ambidextrous, or a light sleeper, conversely heavy sleeper... All the way to a negative quirks (disadvantages) like a missing finger, or a missing hand, reduced hearing, or a bad eye, addiction, and so on and so forth.

Just looking whether someone might have already come up with a list of advantages and disadvantages, how they might be chosen and limited (by point value, plus/minus perhaps) and their game effects...

Did that make sense?

I heard there was something similar in T2K13 but I haven't seen it, and am not sure about converting game effects between the systems and so on.

[StainlessSteelCynic]

Yes that made sense. I don't know of anyone who's done anything like that but from what you mentioned it might be worth doing as Paul suggested, check out GURPS.
GURPS has a system for advantages/disadvantages and because they cover multiple genres you should be able too find appropriate entries that can convert to T2k 2.2 easily enough.

[pmulcahy11b]

Originally Posted by wolffhound79

personalize how? like background, growing up?

No, growing up is handled by Background Skills, though I have given players a certain amount of minor skills (cooking, photography, space organization, etc)

As for the rest, unless you're anal about die rolls, you can pretty much make the rest on your own (subject to GM approval, of course).

[swaghauler]

I have looked at them in TW2K13 and made a rough list by combining Games Studio 93's work with both GURPS and a selection of Advantages/Disadvantages from TSR's TOP SECRET SI but it is FAR from a complete work.

I will tell you that from a "game balance" perspective, you MUST be very careful about what bonuses or penalties they give. My own preference since I use the DIFFICULTY SHIFT system (where you raise/lower the difficulty as a modifier) is to give them either a bonus/penalty from 1 to 3 OR now that I'm using it, allow the PC to roll will a BOON or BANE (this is basically the D&D5e ADVANTAGE/DISADVANTAGE mechanic being reskinned by Mongoose's Traveller v2).

As for acquiring them, I would have a player average ALL of their ATTRIBUTES, and if that average is 5 or less, I'd give them a free point to buy an Advantage with. Otherwise, to get an Advantage, they must either buy a Disadvantage and use the point (or points) gained from that Disadvantage to buy an Advantage OR you could allow the purchase of an Advantage with a Skill Point in certain lifepaths.

[TyCaine]

I would love to see what you have, swaghauler if it's for v2.2!

Complete list or not it's certainly more than what I have right now. And I like the idea that characters with fewer points in attributes can have the potential for a 'free' advantage, while others need to 'buy' disadvantages to get points to then 'buy' advantages. That's similar to a couple of systems I've had experience with.

[swaghauler]

Originally Posted by TyCaine

I would love to see what you have, swaghauler if it's for v2.2!

Complete list or not it's certainly more than what I have right now. And I like the idea that characters with fewer points in attributes can have the potential for a 'free' advantage, while others need to 'buy' disadvantages to get points to then 'buy' advantages. That's similar to a couple of systems I've had experience with.

I'll work that up for you when I get a moment.