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I'd appreciate some feedback or thoughts from others about this unit.
I have a group of players who are interested in playing out the fate of people attached to this unit. I have no copy of Howling Wilderness only the US Army Vehicle Guide. I had been thinking of placing them generally between Bakersfield and Oxnard, the general N-NW area beyond LA. A few questions I'm wondering about: 1. How insurmountable would it be to have the more rural/country areas produce useful crops? 2. Would it be possible to get a desalinzation plant, power plant and some factories going in any of the smaller urban areas north of LA? 3. With the huge amount of large roads around that area, and fuel being short, would it be reasonable to use scouts using bicycles or horses to avoid unnecessary fuel loss? (I was thinking they could use solar powered or wind up radios to save on batteries) If they used this kind of means they could also observe the roads without having to be on them. 4. If the game began in 2000, what would the numbers of refugees, scavengers and marauders/deserters be like? 5. The number of tanks/light tanks/engineering vehicles is around 24. What numbers are there likely to be for HMMWVs, FAVs, APCs, artillery, helicopters, trucks? |
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The number of vehiles a unit has or might have is driven by the type of unit itself.... A U.S. Armor company would have 4 tanks per platoon... but the HQ would have an M577 and probably an M113...... plus CUCVs for the 1SG to get chow and supply to go get everything else. Light Infantry, nothing, they rely on their Battalion, Regiment, Brigade, and Division for motor transport. This gets wierder and different from Division to Division as not all MTOE is the same across Big Army. |
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Thanks for the replies, those are helpful.
Yeah I am not sure what they would have in the motor pool or armory, so I guess I'm kinda guessing at that. What is says in the US Army Vehicle Guide is that the 40th would have: (leaving out the tank battalions) - 4 Mech Battalions (M113) - 2 Mech Battalions (M2 Bradley) - 1 Cavalry Battalion (M113) - 1 AH-1 Battalion - 1 Utility helicopter Battalion - 3 Howitzer Battalions - 1 MRLS Battalion - 1 Roland Battalion What I'm trying to figure out is this: how many of all that would be left? The 40th is stated to have 3,000 troops left and about 24 IFVs which include a couple of M728s. For stuff like this, what have you done? I was thinking of removing maybe all but one or two helicopters due to fuel shortages, and maybe a single battery of howitzers and rockets kept for a desperate emergency. Then cutting the number of ground ops battalions to five, and giving them smaller numbers of APCs or scout vehicles and having the rest be HMMWVs or converted civilian vehicles. As I say though, I'm curious about what others have done. |
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In general, I disagree with the small amount of armored vehicles that canon gives the various divisions, as well as the foreign vehicles they would be operating, The canon also dropped the ball on delineating the unarmored vehicles, lightly-armored vehicles, engineer vehicles, missile carriers, etc, etc, etc.
They also might have put in notes that the divisions in question's personnel may not be using their countries' weapons and equipment, that the vehicles may not all be operable to fuel shortages and a lack of spare parts, and may be damaged but operable.
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I think that the idea of a unit having a well maintained APC or IFV is an affront to the body of inspiration, therefore. And the troops are supposed to fall apart, abandon their position, civilization needs to collapse. This is why I'm thinking that California presents interesting challenges and why I asked about agriculture and industry as well as population migration, to figure out what is possible. So what would yoru recommendations be? |
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Actually working on a California module right now and have been looking at the 40th and what they may have by April of 2001 - and also what they might have by June of 2001 by using a resource that the game designers didnt know would be there - i.e. Littlefield's tank and armored vehicle collection and working tank and armored vehicle repair shop
and I dont agree with a complete collapse of civilization - there will be pockets that would still be in good shape in 2001 - especially if you have working power generation capability and areas that have oil still available - and the area where the 40th is has both - especially oil - i.e. the Bakersfield oil fields were not nuked and the refinery most likely stayed in US hands - and as the canon said where there is still oil and still power there is civilization - and given the amount of nuclear technicians in the USN and elsewhere in the area the Diablo Canyon power plant is a major possibility for power So take power + oil + water (its the one place in CA where water even in a drought situation is probably still plentiful) and you have a very good possibility that civilization,while taking it on the chin, is not in collapse mode - versus LA to the south that had multiple nuke hits as well as an almost total lack of water and power generation and oil |
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The TOE (Tables of Organizational Equipment) to whih there is MTOE and BTOE for Modified Tables of Organizational Equipment and Basi Tables of Organizational Equipment. Maybe this will help? THIS |
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So would you have the same number for aviation, artillery and engineers as well? |
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The reason that isn't so easy to answer is that there are different MTOEs for different Aviation units, and that is the same for all of them. Light Utility Battalion 1 HQ Company and 4 Aviation Companies. HQ Company 16 x 1 1/4-T HMMWV 1 x 5-T 6x6 Trk 3 x 2 1/2-T Trk Aviation Company 8 UH-1H 6 x 1 1/4-T HMMWV 9 x 2 1/2-T Trk 6 x 5-T 6x6 Trk 1 x 5-T 6x6 Wrkr 2 x Trk Forklift 2. MISSION/CAPABILITIES/SECTION I. a. Provides command, control, supervision, and planning of operations for the Reserve Component Light Utility Aviation Battalion. b. Provides utility helicopter elements for rapid employment as a part of the combined arms force. c. Provides unit level personnel service and logistical support for all organic or attached units. d. See the appropriate TOE Section I for a complete list of capabilities and limitations of these units. 3. ASSIGNMENT. Organic to the Corps Aviation Group, TOE 01410A. 4. PERSONNEL. a. Personnel strength for this organization is as follows: TOE DESIGN DOCUMENTED DIFFERENCE 01456A000 N/A 80 N/A 01457A000 X 4 N/A 90 N/A |
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40th is what type of Infantry Division? With all the Mechanized Battalions I would have to surmise it is an ersatz Mechanized Infantry Division (Minus)... Lacking alot of support units and its Armor Battalions. Assuming Mechanized Infantry. Where are the Two and supposed to three Brigade HQ units and Division Support Brigade HQ? bah! damn this forum software formatting. I'll do it in Word and make a PDF so it is possible to read it. |
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Skimmed through thread so maybe I missed it where this was pointed out but The 40th ID in California (ex 40th TD) is not the prewar CA NG 40th ID. I'm assuming thats the prewar order of battle for the 40th and that the 40th TD would be somewhat different given the situation in which it was formed. |
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Which means it could literally be made up of anything - including vehicles from Littlefield's collection |
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