STEYR ACR

[General Pain]

anyone designed this little gem ?

http://world.guns.ru/assault/as56-e.htm

[General Pain]

this one

http://world.guns.ru/civil/civ018-e.htm

the bushmaster ACR

looks very nice

[pmulcahy11b]

Originally Posted by General Pain

this one

http://world.guns.ru/civil/civ018-e.htm

the bushmaster ACR

looks very nice

And of course...
http://www.pmulcahy.com/assault_rifl...rifles_m-q.htm

Though that entry is based on earlier information and is not that up-to-date anymore. It was then called the MagPul Masada.

[pmulcahy11b]

Originally Posted by General Pain

anyone designed this little gem ?

http://world.guns.ru/assault/as56-e.htm

Of course...
http://www.pmulcahy.com/best_stuff_t...never_were.htm

[copeab]

Originally Posted by General Pain

anyone designed this little gem ?

http://world.guns.ru/assault/as56-e.htm

Two slightly different versions appeared in Challenge #71 and #72 (from different authors).

[Raellus]

I remember taping something off of CNN (I think) back in '89 about the G11 vs. the Steyr ACR. I couldn't decide which was cooler. The caseless ammo and delayed recoil of the G11 was pretty awesome. At the same time, the flechette round of the ACR was pretty cool too. My money was on the G11, at the time.

I was just a kid but I wouldn't have believed that the U.S. army would still be using the M16 series (M4) as it's primary AR over 20 years later.

[Legbreaker]

I think it's a case of "if it works, don't change it".
Personally though every M16 I ever touched should have been thrown in the bin as unservicable and generally being a rubbish weapon, but then I was a machinegunner - if it isn't belt fed, it's not worth shit!

[StainlessSteelCynic]

The problem I have with the Steyr ACR is the ammunition.
Flechettes are fantastic against personnel when you launch a few hundred of them at once.
As a single projectile, they are a complete waste of time and money. It was another example of how sometimes theory is all well and good in the laboratory but absolutely wrong in practice.
A single, tiny, very high speed projectile is almost certain to overpenetrate and cause minimal damage. Despite all the ideas both theoretical and practical about hydrostatic shock, a single flechette simply does not cause enough damage and at the end of the day, it's blood loss and physical damage to body systems that causes incapacitation or death.
The odds that the flechette would bend into the required fish hook shape and supposedly cause massive trauma are so small as to make it better sense to throw the ACR at the enemy than shoot them with it. That's assuming the flechette didn't actually get stuck in a bone with that sharply pointed nose it sported.
They should have chambered the ACR for 5.56mm, at least then you could still shoot at and kill the enemy with it.

[Tegyrius]

I command this thread to arise from the grave!

Ahem.

The Forgotten Weapons blog has an interesting article on the flechette ammo and associated magazines for the 1964 SPIW program. Gonna need some new mag pouches for that one...

- C.

[bobcat]

Originally Posted by StainlessSteelCynic

They should have chambered the ACR for 5.56mm, at least then you could still shoot at and kill the enemy with it.

its called an AUG