US Vehicle Prices in Germany after OpOmega

[kalos72]

What do you folks feel would happen to the listed prices of US military vehicles that have been left in Germany after Operation Omega?

Reason: Trying to determine if the values change when offering diesel fuel at $50 per liter in exchange.

Would a HMMWV still cost $20k or would the German government be persuaded to give them at discount if in trade for diesel fuel? Or would a UH-60 still cost $22.5M considering its limited usefulness and lack of proper support available.

Any change in fuel prices over whats listed in canon? I would think it would get more expensive as time goes on for countries that cant produce its own...

[Targan]

Really interesting question. Supply and demand would suggest that prices go down but I guess the answer would be more complicated than that. I look forward to reading others' thoughts on this.

[jester]

I would say that prices for US vehicles would fall. But, like aircraft, eh, they would be garbage having been left fallow for a couple years, stripped as parts were needed elsewhere, and a lack of routine maintenance. Coupled with the idea of "If I can't have it, then no one can." so troops may even sabotage it for nothing more than spite.

As for fuel, that would be a comodity that would still be in demand that its cost would remain stable, unless, some of the oil platforms in the north sea were brought online which may reduce the cost of fuel. But, still the need of fuel may outstrip the need. After all, The British Isles, Scandinavia and large portions of Western Europe would be needing the fuel for agriculture and production as well as for military assets. And I can assume half would got to military and the other half going ot the other needs....all of which would be deemed essentail.

[Legbreaker]

Prices on US vehicles and equipment would change no more, or no less than any other nationality. A tank that works, is still a tank no matter where it came from (admittedly there's a difference in quality, but that's already addressed in the base prices).

Oil products, particularly fuel and lubricants are likely to increase in value as time goes by, whether or not significant numbers of US units remain. With world wide production at near zero, and vehicles needing lubrication regardless what they're actually burning, demand will continue while supply will become (if its not already) more and more scarce.

The same goes for ammunition and other consumables. Sure small calibre ammo will be able to be produced on a limited scale (reloading), but missiles, artillery shells, etc are near impossible to make without industry. Prices for these will continue to climb for years to come.

[kalos72]

Some good points there...

My thinking was that any government would rather have 20 of their own vehicles up and running with diesel then 100 of ours with no fuel.

Plus I figured that, in the case of Germany anyways, there are only so many APC/IFV's they can use considering the smaller sized military to begin with. Plus how much true fighting will there be anyways?

Also, I figured that if you offered to buy back American vehicles say in very early spring, just before planting, it would be a more temping offer.

[pmulcahy11b]

The list prices of anything in T2K is merely a base -- it's like a pawn shop, nothing is final. It's all relative to the place and utility of the item.

[Mohoender]

Originally Posted by Legbreaker

The same goes for ammunition and other consumables. Sure small calibre ammo will be able to be produced on a limited scale (reloading), but missiles, artillery shells, etc are near impossible to make without industry. Prices for these will continue to climb for years to come.

I agree with you leg but production of artillery shell, like simple rockets and mortar shell, should be possible (in cities like Krakow for exemple). It will be difficult but possible, nonetheless, at a very slow production rate. Therefore I agree with your analysis on prices. I agree even more when you add raw material shortage.

I just read something on shell production (150mm) in the concentration camp of falkensee in 1944 (sorry in French). They had two oven (a huge one and another) and two press (a large one and a small one). For information, within two month they only produced 400 shells. Too bad there is no more description.

It was done no doubt (in that case with a lot of sabotage from prisoners). Then, even without sabotage, 60% of the shells were to be thrown out. Another interesting thing will be the fact that such shell will have to be less advanced than modern one (interesting to know what reduction in range will result from this). I suspect it would be easier to make 100mm shell for T-55 than 120mm shell for M1A2 but I would like to have a confirmation on that.