Cadillac Gage Vehilces

[kalos72]

So I am seeing alot of their descriptions say they were adopted by the Army, but I see no TOE's for them or even have them as options.

Anyone have any ideas there? My players are looking for a LAV-300 APC but I dont have a clue where they fit into a standard ORBAT.

[Matt Wiser]

According to the U.S. Army Vehicle Guide, the U.S. put a hold on arms sales to overseas customers and impressed the vehicles (and aircraft, no doubt) for the U.S. military. A tank battalion in 8th ID (4-34 Armor) was reequipped with Stingrays in late '97, pre TDM, and other Cadillac-Gage vehicles were also shipped to Europe to replace losses. A likely unit to have a lot of such vehicles is the 278th ACR, which lost a lot of equipment to Soviet subs when they deployed, and likely reequipped with Cadillac-Gage vehicles, among others.

[kalos72]

I saw that bout the Stingrays, but didnt connect the two. So units that are in the US for the war might be re-fitted with this stuff to then?

[Targan]

Originally Posted by kalos72

So units that are in the US for the war might be re-fitted with this stuff to then?

Definitely a possibility IMO. As things got increasingly desperate you'd even see civilian vehicles such as cash-in-transit armored cars being pressed into service as troop transports and gun trucks.

[HorseSoldier]

More agreement on that idea. As things go pear shaped in Europe, I'd think that even the strategic reserve units in CONUS probably got raided for both personnel and AFVs. I could see deficiencies in Bradleys, 113s, and other vehicles that got shipped to Europe, the Middle East, or Korea made up for with stuff like Cadillac Gage wheeled light armor (and the later use of armored cars, as was mentioned). I'd guess that the late war USAR light infantry divisions would be pretty happy to scarf up any armored cars they could find to give them a little more maneuver and punch capability.

Another place they may have been on the books in the MTOE that GDW doesn't go into is with MP units, where Cadillac Gage armored cars have been used a bunch through the years, even if they were never universally used to equip all MP units.

[copeab]

I'll add that over the last few decades, light armored cars have been purchased by many major cities, primarily for SWAT operations. While not numerous, I imagine those surviving would be impressed into military service, first for security patrols and, as things continued to deteriorate, front-line combat vehicles.

[rcaf_777]

Ok

this has been talked about for some time, I found this doc which talk about tank production is was produced in 1993, it also list the current (1993) tank levels for M1 Abrams and the M60, it also names factories that make the tank parts and breaks tank production down by state

hope it help

http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/75xx/doc7522/93doc04.pdf

[Webstral]

I don't believe a TO&E would be created specifically for CG vehicles. The CG vehicles probably owuld be used as replacements for vehicles in an existing TO&E.

Webstral

[kalos72]

I should have said that I saw no TOE's that included them...

Where would the Army store vehicles like the LAV's for replacement? Is there a list of sites or something?

[nuke11]

The Department of Energy uses a few different models of CG vehicles. V-150 and Ranger Peacekeeper for protection duties.

The US Air Force Security units that protect the nuclear silo's also use (used) the V-150 and Ranger Peacekeeper for security details.

I believe there are (where) a number of the Ranger Peacekeepers in the UK at the USAF bases.

[rcaf_777]

Here something I found from the Ranger wikipedia entry

"Rangers/Peacekeepers were produced in the early 1980s on a shortened Dodge 200 or Dodge Ram pickup truck chassis, the same chassis as the CUCV"

wonder how many CUVC the guard had and how were in storage, could these be rebuilt as rangers, I mean you alreay have the chassis which alot of the work done, I could totally see the USAF requesting that more be rebulit used the CUCV in storage, the army might want too for MP and Guard after the strip them of there vehciles