Police forces in T2K?

[Mohoender]

The last thing I wrote about France just brought this to mind. What about the police forces? Any thoughts.

[Abbott Shaull]

For many communities with organized government left, they would be the backbone if not most of the local militia. Don't see many pure Police units, but certain units of militia may retain where they carry out most of police functions for their locale.

[Canadian Army]

It would depend what country and what police force you are talking about. Take Canada and the Royal Canadian Mounted Police as an example. In 1997 the force would be employing 20,000 sworn members in 15 divisions across Canada; all who would be exempt from any conscription (Military Draft). During the nuclear attack the vast majority of these officers would survive, because they are deployed outside of the urban areas. Also the Training Depot also survives which would mean new officers could be trained. The surviving Canadian governments would not use any Militia for policing duties; instead keeping them as a strategic reserve force to deal with marauders. They would also be more prone to use RCMP for policing duties in order to keep some resemblance of the old status quo.

[HorseSoldier]

The murky area is when the criminal threat exceeds the capabilities of law enforcement, which in T2K is going to be pretty common, both due to growth of Marauders/bandits on the one hand and attrition of police resources on the other (less fuel for vehicles, seriously reduced local intelligence when the phone system collapses, reduced commo intra-agency and interagency due to EMP and wear and tear, etc). Add in mission creep as the wheels come further and further off the whole system and it's not really a survivable scenario for any law enforcement agency as currently configured.

In the case of Canada (and typical of anyone else with a central government(s) trying to stay in business) I think that a legal mechanism to deputize militia or military units as needed for law enforcement missions. In this case I would think under RCMP direction, but involved a lot regardless.

I know at the time of the Mad Trapper incident back pre-WW2 the RCMP (or was it NWTMP at that time?) had First Nations special constables. Perhaps that practice/policy is revived and expanded post TDM.

[Canadian Army]

Originally Posted by HorseSoldier

I know at the time of the Mad Trapper incident back pre-WW2 the RCMP (or was it NWTMP at that time?) had First Nations special constables. Perhaps that practice/policy is revived and expanded post TDM.

It was the Royal Northwest Mounted Police, but by the time of Mad Trapper incident it was the RCMP; created in 1920. The RCMP First Nations Community Policing Service was created in 1991 to replace the Indian Special Constable Program, but was still staffed by Special Constables. Today, in Canada the term Special Constable does not signify a police volunteer. Instead, they are sworn-in and employed by Police Services, law enforcement agencies or the provincial ministry responsible for law enforcement to undertake specific duties many of which require the powers of a police officer, such as University, Housing, and Transit Constables. Also Special Constables are generally not armed with firearms.

[B.T.]

Some thoughts about the situation in Germany:

The BGS (=Bundesgrenzschutz, roughly: federal border guard), most notably known for the deployment of the GSG 9, was some kind of paramilitary force. Their duties were different from the duties of Zoll (Customs). IRL the BGS was renamed Bundespolizei (Translation should be Federal Police, but bear in mind, that federal Germany is constituted in another way than the federal agencies of the US!) In a way the old BGS could be compared with Eastern Europe's Border Police Forces.

After the reunification in Germany and the treaty of Schengen (or is it Schengen agreemen in English?) the BGS was transferred to a real police agency. The former railroad polices (both from West and East Germany) were integrated.

So: in the ver.1 timeline, the BGS would be a highly trained military unit, supposingly fighting alongside the Bundeswehr.
In ver.2 the question arises, if the Schengen treaty would have come to life. If they was no Schengen, the BGS might have been reduced in size, but could still be existing, when the war begins.

The BGS servicemen (IRL!!) were trained as infantry. They were the first users of the G8 (better known as the H&K 21) and were equipped with light armored vehicles.

I'm trying to check some more information and will try to post something about the regular police agencies in Germany in the next days.

[HorseSoldier]

Originally Posted by Canadian Army

It was the Royal Northwest Mounted Police, but by the time of Mad Trapper incident it was the RCMP; created in 1920. The RCMP First Nations Community Policing Service was created in 1991 to replace the Indian Special Constable Program, but was still staffed by Special Constables. Today, in Canada the term Special Constable does not signify a police volunteer. Instead, they are sworn-in and employed by Police Services, law enforcement agencies or the provincial ministry responsible for law enforcement to undertake specific duties many of which require the powers of a police officer, such as University, Housing, and Transit Constables. Also Special Constables are generally not armed with firearms.

Ah -- Special Constable might not be a good term for deputized military elements, then. So are the First Nations special constables currently armed or unarmed? It sounds kind of like the Village Public Safety Officers were have here in AK (basically unarmed police working in Bush villages -- they're reliant on the State Troopers for anything requiring firearms for enforcement . . . typically making them the only person in the whole village who isn't armed . . .).

[rcaf_777]

In the US I see local Sheriff being dual hated having his deputies who take care of law enforcement and he also commands the local milita, I could also see some officers of the state police apointed to key positions with in the state guard, and have the State police having one or two officers assigned to each state guard unit to monitor the people with guns

[helbent4]

Originally Posted by Canadian Army

It would depend what country and what police force you are talking about. Take Canada and the Royal Canadian Mounted Police as an example. In 1997 the force would be employing 20,000 sworn members in 15 divisions across Canada; all who would be exempt from any conscription (Military Draft). During the nuclear attack the vast majority of these officers would survive, because they are deployed outside of the urban areas. Also the Training Depot also survives which would mean new officers could be trained. The surviving Canadian governments would not use any Militia for policing duties; instead keeping them as a strategic reserve force to deal with marauders. They would also be more prone to use RCMP for policing duties in order to keep some resemblance of the old status quo.

CA,

In my game, the RCMP still exists in Canada and provides policing services in different communities under government control, and in fact control all policing in Canada (outside Quebec). They tend to be more paramilitary (going back to their original role as "border police") along the lines of Gendarmerie. In areas not under government control, they form the base for local militia. Policing companies are formed using RCMP Auxiliaries.

Tony