Australia/New Zealand in the Twilight War

[Targan]

(Split from New Russian BMPs)

Originally Posted by Mohoender

Australia has become a powerful military power but that is probably because I consider Australian to be really brave.

Well I'm not going to argue with that . Goes equally for New Zealand troops too BTW. Maori troops in particular, they fight with ferocity similar to Gurkhas from what I have heard. There was a battalion of Maori troops that were sent on a one way deep penetration raid on Crete during WWII, absolute killing machines.

I expect that during the Twilight War Australia and New Zealand would become even more closely allied than they normally are, forming a sort of Pacific version of the European Union along with Papua New Guinea and various South Pacific nations.

[Mohoender]

Originally Posted by Targan

Well I'm not going to argue with that . Goes equally for New Zealand troops too BTW. Maori troops in particular, they fight with ferocity similar to Gurkhas from what I have heard. There was a battalion of Maori troops that were sent on a one way deep penetration raid on Crete during WWII, absolute killing machines.

I expect that during the Twilight War Australia and New Zealand would become even more closely allied than they normally are, forming a sort of Pacific version of the European Union along with Papua New Guinea and various South Pacific nations.

Actually in my game they have formed a union also including the Fiji islands and Tonga.

[jester]

Originally Posted by Mohoender

Actually in my game they have formed a union also including the Fiji islands and Tonga.

I could see that happening, I ccould see them becoming the dominate force for some kind of union of Pacific Islands and maybe even some of the Islands in the Malay Peninsula, I am guessing Indonesia would have some kind of revolution with its thousands of islands breaking into semi autonomous groups taking one side or the other.

And here is another question;

What would Austrailia do in reguarding Korea and the North Invading with either the aid of Russia or China?

Or China making a move on Hong Kong?

[Targan]

Originally Posted by jester

And here is another question;

What would Austrailia do in reguarding Korea and the North Invading with either the aid of Russia or China?

Or China making a move on Hong Kong?

In the original Twilight timeline Australia would support South Korea, the US and the UK against any moves by China and or North Korea. We did in the Korean War (in which Australians fought with great bravery) and we would do it again.

Now or in the near future however the situation would be much more difficult for Australia because China is by far and away our biggest trading partner and our current Prime Minister speaks fluent (and I mean FLUENT) Mandarin and is a great friend of China's. But in the case of all out war we'd always side with the USA and its allies, and in any case Japan is Australia's second biggest trading partner and we know which side our bread is buttered on.

In the traditional Twilight timeline Australia is involved in its own nasty little war with Indonesia after Indonesia invades first Papua New Guinea and then northern Australia. IRL if the Indonesians invaded Australia I would do anything in my power to join the fight. Anything.

[copeab]

Originally Posted by Targan

IRL if the Indonesians invaded Australia I would do anything in my power to join the fight. Anything.

Well, probably not wave an AK-47 over your head and scream "WOLVERINES!!!"

[Targan]

Originally Posted by copeab

Well, probably not wave an AK-47 over your head and scream "WOLVERINES!!!"

No, I'd wave a Steyr over my head and scream "WOMBATS!!!" Heh heh.

[chico20854]

Originally Posted by Targan

In the original Twilight timeline Australia would support South Korea, the US and the UK against any moves by China and or North Korea. We did in the Korean War (in which Australians fought with great bravery) and we would do it again.

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In the traditional Twilight timeline Australia is involved in its own nasty little war with Indonesia after Indonesia invades first Papua New Guinea and then northern Australia. IRL if the Indonesians invaded Australia I would do anything in my power to join the fight. Anything.

The DC group is going on the assumption that Australia is more or less intact, but large areas are out of communication with the central government. The Indonesian invasion fell apart from a combination of really fierce resistance, being totally outclassed, huge distances of really harsh terrain between their landing beaches and any point of strategic importance, and Indonesia falling apart as the nuclear exchange went on and the world gradually fell apart - no resupply.

Australia sent a mech brigade to CENTCOM, and an ANZAC brigade to Korea. They also sent SAS troops on the Cam Ranh raid written up on my website.

Darwin is under the "guidance" of its local military commander and cut off from the rest of the country. This is based on IRL the railroad to Darwin just being completed in the last 5 years or so.

In late 2000, the US, Australia and New Zealand are still firm allies.

The rest will come out in the Survivors Guide to the USA! (someday, hopefully in 2009!)

[spielmeister]

Well, in our Gurps t2015 homebrew universe, we had an expatriate unit of Australians operating the southern luzon area. The backstory was that they were originally destined for the mideast but they had to divert suddenly to luzon when all the nukes started flying. By the game's start, they managed to set up a well-run cantonment in the camarines sur area of southern luzon and got some geothermal power plants up and running again, laying the basis for restarting civilization in that part of the world again. the area is near the mayon volcano so there's a lot of geotherm being tapped.

I never got to run it but one of our planned scenarios were the Aussies pushing north to link up with the last remnants of the GRP and the US contingent near Manila to make a stand against the Chinese mechanized offensive fueled by a trickle of oil from the restarted spratleys rigs. As I recall the PCs were supposed to be part of a unit charged to clear the main arterial highway through southern manila.

maybe one day i'll get it going again.

[Targan]

Originally Posted by chico20854

The DC group is going on the assumption that Australia is more or less intact, but large areas are out of communication with the central government...

...In late 2000, the US, Australia and New Zealand are still firm allies.

The rest will come out in the Survivors Guide to the USA! (someday, hopefully in 2009!)

I like everything written in that post. It sounds quite realistic. I have no doubt that you guys in the DC Working Group know your s**t. I look forward to reading your work.