Where are the Foreign National Military Students?

[ArmySGT.]

As the title states. Where? There is an entire Luftwaffe squadron in Nevada. Hundreds of students at the ADA school at Bliss, more at the Infantry school and School of the Americas at Benning. Signals school at Stewart, supply at Lee, this is just the Army.

Plenty come to train bringing their equipment to use at NTC or JRTC because they can't play in a sandbox that big at home.

Last, there is Officer and Senior NCO exchanges in all Services to encourage interoperability.

[Tnchi2a]

I'm lost was this a question or a statement?

Don't get me wrong everything you said was right so this is not a challenge, but the thread header ended with a question mark and I cant find a question lol.

It seems to me that if it is you answered it in your own post.

[kato13]

There are the two units in Canada.

Would any personnel from the UK and West Germany (had to remember to type "West" lol) who were stationed in the US have joined up with them.

For those who don't have the Challenge article on Canada here are the basics

Anglo-German Brigade (Ontario)
1/The Royal Hampshire Regiment: 250 cavalry (Kitchener).
1/The Cheshire Regiment: 350 men (Sault Ste. Marie).
53rd Panzer Battalion: 250 men, 9 AFVs (Sudbury).
81st Panzer Grenadier Battalion (M): 300 men, 6 AFVs (Waterloo).

[rcaf_777]

Originally Posted by kato13

There are the two units in Canada.

Would any personnel from the UK and West Germany (had to remember to type "West" lol) who were stationed in the US have joined up with them.

For those who don't have the Challenge article on Canada here are the basics

Anglo-German Brigade (Ontario)
1/The Royal Hampshire Regiment: 250 cavalry (Kitchener).
1/The Cheshire Regiment: 350 men (Sault Ste. Marie).
53rd Panzer Battalion: 250 men, 9 AFVs (Sudbury).
81st Panzer Grenadier Battalion (M): 300 men, 6 AFVs (Waterloo).

While this looks good in the book, the IRL is actually number are quite small

British Army Training Unit Suffield (BATUS)

This unit is made up of an HQ, 29 Flight, Army Air Corps, 105 Logistic Support Squadron, and the BATUS REME Workshop. The total strength is 200 persons, with another 480 in temporary staff, 400 arrive in the summer months to assist with training (this is the OPFOR Inf BN). The other 80 arrive in the winter to conduct maintenance on the fleet of vehicles.

29 Flight AAC provides aviation support for the training. Its roles include supervision, CASEVAC (casualty evacuation), reconnaissance, liaison and limited lift of passengers and equipment.

Each year between May and October BATUS trains about 4-6 Battlegroups in live fire and force on force. Training they are unable to do in the UK, due to small training areas.

Around 30 Challenger 2 tanks, 50 Warrior tracked armored vehicles, 6 AS 90 SPG, 195 other vehicles, as well as 5 Gazelle helicopters making up 29 (BATUS) Flight AAC are based at BATUS.

German Army Training Establishment Shilo (GATES)

Similar to BATUS but it had less staff and vehicles GATES full time staff was around 40 persons and it had 45 Leopard I's, 14 M-109 self-propelled Howitzers, as well as an assortment of wheeled and tracked support vehicles.

In beginning 1995 the German government looked at the rational for training troops in Canada due the high cost and in 2000 GATES was disband and the equipment and men we returned to Germany.

Canadian Forces Base Goose Bay

During the 1980s–1990s, CFB Goose Bay hosted permanent detachments from the United States Airforce, Royal Air Force, Luftwaffe, Royal Netherlands Air Force, and the Aeronautica Militare, in addition to temporary deployments from several other NATO countries. Goose Bay was a very attractive training facility for these air forces in light of the high population concentration in their countries, as well as numerous laws preventing low-level flying. The thirteen million hectare (130,000 square km) bombing range is larger than several European countries.

Labrador's sparse settlement and a local topography similar to parts of the Soviet Union also made it an ideal location for low level flying.

In the mid 1990’s the Royal Netherlands Air Force, which was followed by Royal Air Force, Luftwaffe, and the Aeronautica Militare in 2003.

The United States Airforce still uses the base as the United States Coast Guard, who use it from time to time for Iceberg hunting Patrols, but no permeant troops are stationed there

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British..._Unit_Suffield
http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Auf+wi......-a030085363
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CFB_Shilo

Ok now that you read what was above, think would the Germans and the British continue to ship it troops overseas away from the fighting in large number to continue training? Would it keep or recall its vehicles in Canada when loses mount?

Now if talking about foreign troops in the US then look at the

United States Army School of the Americas
United States Army Foreign Intelligence Assistance Program
United States Army Command and General Staff College

USMA West Point: Up to 60 students from foreign countries are present at USMA, educated at the expense of the sponsoring nation, with tuition assistance based on the GNP of their country. Of these foreign cadets the Code of Federal Regulations specifically permits one Filipino cadet designated by the President of the Philippines.

Also I know that a few Canadian Officers are on exchange to key US Army Schools, IE infantry, Artillery ect. Where I use to work we had Four US Officers and One British Officer on exchange.

Since 1998 the US III Corps has participated in an exchange program which sees a Canadian Army officer appointed as a deputy commanding general.

[ArmySGT.]

Originally Posted by Tnchi2a

I'm lost was this a question or a statement?

Don't get me wrong everything you said was right so this is not a challenge, but the thread header ended with a question mark and I cant find a question lol.

It seems to me that if it is you answered it in your own post.

Everybody has obsessive lists of OOB..... I haven't seen much cross contamination in U.S. units of either government.

As Europe goes to war, place to train replacements are to vulnerable so placing them and a few hundred personnel to train outside Europe becomes a necessity........ especially after tactical nukes get tossed about.

Further these OOBs don't show any foreign military students or liaisons working with them....... So my question is where are they?

[CDAT]

Originally Posted by ArmySGT.

Everybody has obsessive lists of OOB..... I haven't seen much cross contamination in U.S. units of either government.

As Europe goes to war, place to train replacements are to vulnerable so placing them and a few hundred personnel to train outside Europe becomes a necessity........ especially after tactical nukes get tossed about.

Further these OOBs don't show any foreign military students or liaisons working with them....... So my question is where are they?

Just a guess, mixed in the the US units. My old Armor Battalion had representives from our sister unit (Kings Own Cavalry Regiment) with us from time to time and we sent representives to them from time to time, if the bubble bursts when either is with the other, I would guess they would just be incorprated into the respective unit. As for School units I again see them being used to fill out units around them, or to make adhoc base defense unit. I do wounder about the entire units, we have the Japanese train here every year or so for a couple of weeks, I am not sure about after the war starts but could defently see some being here when it all kicks off and having a hard time getting home.

[StainlessSteelCynic]

Realistically, as soon as their own nation was gearing up for the war, they'd all be recalled home (with their equipment).
Game-wise, it allows a bit of freedom to mix up the nationalities.

[ArmySGT.]

Originally Posted by StainlessSteelCynic

Realistically, as soon as their own nation was gearing up for the war, they'd all be recalled home (with their equipment).
Game-wise, it allows a bit of freedom to mix up the nationalities.

How many would be told to stay in place, and finish their training?
How many countries would have an operational training base or bases left? How many countries would still be sending students to the US or Canada because they no longer can train them at home?
How many stayed because their isn't any practical way to get home?
How many are here as advisers teaching NATO troops to fight in their home countries terrain and navigate the culture?
How many are in multinational commands like NORAD, SAC, or Atlantic Fleet?