The Armata family of vehicles

[Silent Hunter UK]

Well, someone's got to start the discussion of stats for the new Russian 'crew-in-hull' tank and IFV...

[kato13]

Armata_Universal_Combat_Platform

[unkated]

Data is a little thin on the ground for actual speed and range.

The gun is enough of a known quantity, though like all of the modern tank guns, the improvements in its penetractors over the last 20 years needs to be added in. To me, having it in a remote turret is not that different from a manned turret - movement is by the same hydraulic system; modern targetting systems don't require the gunned looking down the actual barrel. V2 had those silly remote turreted versions of the M1A3 and Leopard anyway; this is just an actual case of that. Of course, I'd ensure that turret controls is a possible critical hit, as well as turret traverse.

But then, I think a rework of technology, particularly targeting tanks, is called for in a modernized T2K system; these did not exist and a lot fo development went into these over the last 20 years....

If one takes the one that stopped in the parade as an example, maintenance may be high - or average range may be short :-)


Yes, I know these are prototypes, and the actual combat systems will supposedly have the bugs worked out. So, do you want the system as it works now, or as the Russians says it does (or will) when the bugs are all worked out. Since we know that all technology works perfectly, just as the designers say it will :-)

The key factor in evaluating this series of vehicles to me would hinge in its armor system - how well this (re)active armor system actually works, sections going off to attack incoming shells microseconds before impact.

[pmulcahy11b]

It's enough information to kick-start research. When I have time.

As for it being prototypical, well, it can go into the "Best Tanks That Never Were" page.

[Targan]

The Armata MBT seems to me to be as the original T2K described the T-90 (not the actual RL T-90).

[Askold]

The Armata malfunctioned during the parade, which was quite embarrassing to Russians.

Their first "official explanation" was that it was part of the show as they wanted to show their evacuation vehicle in action, their second "official explanation" was much more believable.

The factory had wanted to use their own employees as the drivers during the parade but the military insisted on using military personnel and since they had had only a month to get used to the tank they made some "user errors" and after the engine had stalled the tank had to be towed because they engaged the "hand brake" but did not realize it.

If you watch the videos you will notice that many of the drivers have trouble maintaining stable speed, the tanks accelerate and decelerate repeatedly as they try to stay in formation. This is a clear sign of the drivers not being used to driving these tanks. The tank that stalled probably did so simply because the driver accidentally something and based on the observation that when the the tank is being towed tracks are sliding rather than turning the hand brake explanation is also probably true.

So it is too early to say that the Armata is unreliable, but you can make a few assumptions from this incident:

a) The Red army has not yet managed to train crews for the Armatas properly. This is not a surprise since the tank is brand new and it takes a while to train crew for any tank.

b) Continuing from a, since I assume that the Red army will pick their best and brightest crew members as drivers and pilots to avoid embarrassments like this, so the fact that they still have trouble with the Armata means that it handles differently from their older tanks and familiarity with them does not help with the new tank.