2nd Marine Division Cannon

[mpipes]

What is the cannon regarding the 2nd Marine Divison's role in XI Corps' offensive? It seems to have to be somewhere NE of Kaliz. Torun is overrun, so it is north of there or maybe southeast?

[pmulcahy11b]

I believe they use M777 155mm Light Guns.

[LT. Ox]

Originally Posted by pmulcahy11b

I believe they use M777 155mm Light Guns.

Meds !!!! you forgot ta take em again.

[Targan]

Originally Posted by LT. Ox

Meds !!!! you forgot ta take em again.

Paul's making a play on words. Mpipes has written 'cannon' when the word he actually wants is 'canon'.

[pmulcahy11b]

Originally Posted by Targan

Paul's making a play on words. Mpipes has written 'cannon' when the word he actually wants is 'canon'.

Yes!

Anyway, I don't think there's much...but let me look.

Here's from the American Combat Vehicle Handbook:

A prewar regular division stationed at Camp Lejeune, North Carolina. The 6th Marine Regiment of the division deployed by air to Denmark in November of 1996. The 2nd Marine Regiment (reinforced) formed the main body of the 4th Marine Amphibious Brigade and deployed to Norway by air and sea in
December of 1996. The main body of the 8th Marine Regiment moved by sea to the Mediterranean Sea to join forward elements of the regiment then serving with the 6th Fleet.

During 1997, the regiments of the division carried out numerous amphibious and conventional missions throughout the European Theater. In October of that year, the 4th MAB was moved south to the Baltic and disbanded, its component units reverting to division control along with the 6th Regiment. In January of 1998, the survivors of the 8th Marine Regiment reformed in northern Germany and were also reunited with the division. In Spring of 2000, the division participated in the 3rd German Army's offensive into northern Poland by launching amphibious assaults against the Polish Baltic coast and across the estuary of the Vistula (Wisla). The division's present status and location are unknown.

Subordination: XI U.S. Corps
Current Location: Northern Poland
Manpower: 4000
Tanks: 8 M1 (The NATO Combat Vehicle Handbook also has a color plate showing a Leopard 3 wearing US Marine insignia.)

And that's about what I can find official. Also, however, search this board; other posters have posted more about the 2nd MarDiv.

[mpipes]

Thanks Paul. That was essentially what I thought, but I had not been able to really confirm that. So we're pretty much free to do what we want with the 2nd Marines as far as the offensive in July 2000.

[pmulcahy11b]

Originally Posted by LT. Ox

Meds !!!! you forgot ta take em again.

How do you think I came up with my sig?

[Marc]

Originally Posted by mpipes

What is the cannon regarding the 2nd Marine Divison's role in XI Corps' offensive? It seems to have to be somewhere NE of Kaliz. Torun is overrun, so it is north of there or maybe southeast?

You will find some interesting suppositions and suggestions in this thread, too:

http://forum.juhlin.com/showthread.php?t=354

[Legbreaker]

Note that my assessment in that thread is based 100% on canon materials, includes 100% of that material, and the additional information extrapolated from canon in a way that imho fits all the pieces together in the most logical way. It may not be totally correct, but it is the best fit to my judgement.
I have been working for some time on detailing the 2nd MARDIV further, but with so little information available, most of that is pure guesswork - probably dozens of other valid interpretations besides mine, likely more.

[Legbreaker]

This might also help http://forum.juhlin.com/showthread.php?t=2479

[Raellus]

Here's my take on what at least part of 2nd MarDiv was up to during the Summer 2000 offensive.

http://forum.juhlin.com/showthread.php?t=2703

Incidentally, canon has the 2nd MarDiv start (per the U.S. Army Vehicle Guide) and end (per Going Home) in the same city. Furthermore, Going Home mentions that 2nd MarDiv ended up stronger and more diverse after the offensive. No explanation for this is given, however.

[Olefin]

It is implied that the Marines picked up various stragglers and remnants from all kinds of units - including armored vehicles as well - considering the chaos of the aftermath of the summer offensive I could easily see Germans who got separated from their units, pro-NATO Poles and Soviets, possibly cut off Danes from the Danish unit that was part of the summer offensive. Add in Ukrainians who may have abandoned their Soviet units as well and you could see why they grew in size (let alone absorbing 5th Division men who managed to get away to the north and join up withe Marines)

As for all the nationalities - even before they started they may have had Norwegians, Finns and Brits who may have joined up with the Marines from when they were in Norway and Finland - makes for one heck of a group.