WWII equipments in T2K

[Mohoender]

What I just put on Cameroon make me think of that. What do you think would happen to the various surviving WWII equipments?

Aircrafts had been largely covered but what of the ground equipments such as the ones holded by collectors everywhere?

What of the ones still held by verious armies?

M51 Super Sherman (just phased out by Israel with several sold to Chile)
T-34/85
M24 Chaffee
M5 Stuart
M8 Armored Car
M3 Half Track (in Latin America, in Africa and around 3500 in Israel)
M3 Scout Car

You can also extend this to post war equipments including the ones in Sweden, Switzerland, BTR-40, OT-810, Volvo TL-22...

[TiggerCCW UK]

Personally I use a fair bit of WW2 equipment in my games, cropping up from museums and collectors, but if anyone has stats for the DUKW I'd love to lay hands on them please.

[chico20854]

I have the Czech Army mobilization-only units still using OT-810s (post-war SdKfz-251s with a diesel engine). Stats are on page 28 of the Czech Army Vehicle Guide at http://mysite.verizon.net/vzeedox4/s...icle_guide.pdf

Many lower-readiness Pact units use T-34s and various WW-II era artillery (D-1, M-30, ZiS-3, A-19, etc). Historically, many Pact units in the 1980s used these systems, so their continued use in even lower readiness units 10 years later wouldn't be too unlikely.

And in 1989 the Red Army ran a battalion or more of T-34s through Red Square as part of their Victory Day celebrations.

[pmulcahy11b]

I'm not sure what came of it, but some of the M-51s that Israel sold to Chile were tested with 60mm HVMS autocannons at Chile's request. Anybody know if they went into service?

[Marc]

Originally Posted by pmulcahy11b

I'm not sure what came of it, but some of the M-51s that Israel sold to Chile were tested with 60mm HVMS autocannons at Chile's request. Anybody know if they went into service?

I've been lurking in some Chilean forums, and it seems that all the types of Sherman were retired from service in the 90's. Those tanks (60) equipped with the 60mm HVAP served for 15 years, with some 50 M-24 equipped with the same gun. Seemingly they are kept in reserve. All the other Shermans are now being used as targets for the younger Leopards.

[Rainbow Six]

Would imagine that operational tanks, AFV's etc held in museums would either be acquired either by local military forces, communities, or marauders (particularly after the nuclear exchanges). In many cases I'd imagine there would be no ammunition available - in fact I think in some museum pieces their weaponry is non operational even if you have ammunition?? - but the psychological effect on your enemies if you have armour would probably make it worth while...after all, they don't know if you have ammo for the cannon or not...

As another source, I seem to recall there was a company somewhere in England in the 90's that bought some British Army surplus vehicles and set up corporate days where people got the chance to drive a tank - I think they had a Chieftain tank and an Abbot SP gun amongst others. Of course, in the Twilight War the surplus kit might be retained rather than sold, but it's just another thought...

Also, with Tigger mentioning DUKW's, I know there are a few cities around the World where you can do a tour in a WW2 era DUKW - I did the Boston one last year and I think the company had a fleet of 20 - 25 fully operational DUKW's.

[kato13]

http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/DUKW

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DUKW

In my T2k game the largest number of them in use are with the 1st brigade 49th Armored. They acquired about 90 of them (plus signifigant spare parts) while passing through the Wisconsin dells in early 98. My morrow project also uses them around the great lakes and some major rivers.

Edit Paul according to Wikipedia the Russian BAV 485 is also close.

[Mohoender]

Originally Posted by kato13

http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/DUKW

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DUKW


Edit Paul according to Wikipedia the Russian BAV 485 is also close.

With the main difference being a sliding ramp at the back of the BAV.

[Matt Wiser]

Remember, the Soviets were famous for never throwing anything away. It's been said that they had thousands of T-34s, along with JS-IIs and -IIIs, in storage "East of the Urals" in war reserve. In T2K some of that stuff might find its way to Central Europe. Ditto for tanks like the T-44 and the early T-54, along with APCs like the BTR-40, -50, and -152. ISTR on the web somewhere that the last Russian exercise in which JS-IIs took part was in 1995, and no, this wasn't a parade or WW II victory event, it was a real exercise.

[jester]

Originally Posted by Matt Wiser

Remember, the Soviets were famous for never throwing anything away. It's been said that they had thousands of T-34s, along with JS-IIs and -IIIs, in storage "East of the Urals" in war reserve. In T2K some of that stuff might find its way to Central Europe. Ditto for tanks like the T-44 and the early T-54, along with APCs like the BTR-40, -50, and -152. ISTR on the web somewhere that the last Russian exercise in which JS-IIs took part was in 1995, and no, this wasn't a parade or WW II victory event, it was a real exercise.

Yep, and thus I use them in my games fairly often as a means for ivan to reform units, or to replace losses or for newly formed units.

[Adm.Lee]

Originally Posted by Matt Wiser

Remember, the Soviets were famous for never throwing anything away. It's been said that they had thousands of T-34s, along with JS-IIs and -IIIs, in storage "East of the Urals" in war reserve. In T2K some of that stuff might find its way to Central Europe. Ditto for tanks like the T-44 and the early T-54, along with APCs like the BTR-40, -50, and -152. ISTR on the web somewhere that the last Russian exercise in which JS-IIs took part was in 1995, and no, this wasn't a parade or WW II victory event, it was a real exercise.

I'm sure I've read that a lot of old tanks got made into pillboxes on the Chinese frontier in the '60s.

[pmulcahy11b]

Originally Posted by Matt Wiser

Remember, the Soviets were famous for never throwing anything away. It's been said that they had thousands of T-34s, along with JS-IIs and -IIIs, in storage "East of the Urals" in war reserve. In T2K some of that stuff might find its way to Central Europe. Ditto for tanks like the T-44 and the early T-54, along with APCs like the BTR-40, -50, and -152. ISTR on the web somewhere that the last Russian exercise in which JS-IIs took part was in 1995, and no, this wasn't a parade or WW II victory event, it was a real exercise.

The Chinese and North Koreans are also known for that.