Stuff you have because you've played Twilight:2000

[Eddie]

Here is my mostly complete collection. I still have a few at my dad's house for when we go hunting there.

[headquarters]

Originally Posted by waiting4something

Thats cool as hell. The SVT-40 isn't bad either.

if you could explain Cpl.Kalkwarf : what is the accuracy like on a Dragunov .

If you use regular factory loads and if you use specific handloads ?

I would like to know.

[Cpl. Kalkwarf]

Originally Posted by headquarters

if you could explain Cpl.Kalkwarf : what is the accuracy like on a Dragunov .

If you use regular factory loads and if you use specific handloads ?

I would like to know.

Depends on the ammo, with cheap light ball of various manufacture its in the 2-3 moa range, with sniper ammo or Yugo heavy ball its pretty darn accurate in the 1-2 moa, some guys say the get much better in the sub moa, but alas i do not get allot of practice. Some guys have claimed to get even in the half moa with hand loads. I Do not hand load for it yet, so I Have not done any better then the 1-2 moa range. Though I have Considered it, right now with working 15 hour days it will have to wait a bit. For a DMR or semi auto sniper its not bad and then again right now im so out of practice that I am very happy with the 1-2 moa. This weekend I was going to go to the Old Hornady range and sight in the new 8x scope i got for it, but the dicks at work decided they want to work sat and sun.

[headquarters]

Originally Posted by Cpl. Kalkwarf

Depends on the ammo, with cheap light ball of various manufacture its in the 2-3 moa range, with sniper ammo or Yugo heavy ball its pretty darn accurate in the 1-2 moa, some guys say the get much better in the sub moa, but alas i do not get allot of practice. Some guys have claimed to get even in the half moa with hand loads. I Do not hand load for it yet, so I Have not done any better then the 1-2 moa range. Though I have Considered it, right now with working 15 hour days it will have to wait a bit. For a DMR or semi auto sniper its not bad and then again right now im so out of practice that I am very happy with the 1-2 moa. This weekend I was going to go to the Old Hornady range and sight in the new 8x scope i got for it, but the dicks at work decided they want to work sat and sun.

Good .

Thanks.

I would be well pleased with 1 MOA too.

Getting a new .308 / 7,62x51 soonish . Considering a semi auto over a bolt action .

[Cpl. Kalkwarf]

Originally Posted by headquarters

Good .

Thanks.

I would be well pleased with 1 MOA too.

Getting a new .308 / 7,62x51 soonish . Considering a semi auto over a bolt action .

The advantage, should you need it with a semi auto is that you can get a Quicker followup or second shot should you need it. And often in today's modern combat of a DMR it can be a life saver.

I'm kinda partial to the old bolt guns myself, my Remington 700P shoots a constant 1/2 moa with factory match ammo when I do my part. It likes the Remington Premier Match 168gr. Matchking BTHP load. ( I really need to get out and get back in the groove).

What semi auto platform are you thinking? Some of the AR 308s have been getting pretty good results. I have no experience with the FAL or G3. I do have some with the M1a (civ M14). I would love to be able to find/afford the Valmet AK in 308. http://bwfirearms.com/GunPics/valmet78.JPG

[headquarters]

due to regulations we are only allowed to choose from a limited array of semi autos for sport and hunting .

The list has a few interesting ones - the Vepr,the Remington 750,the Browning BAR ( not M1918) ,the Valmet Petra,HK 2000,Sauer 303.A few more too.

I want something stainless/or coated ,synthetic,accurate and with a "silencer/moderator" that I can take into the woods in a torrential rain and just shake the water off and put straight into the safe when I get home .
I want a can on it so that I can hunt and shoot places were I otherwise cant ,and its more comfy.I will accept up to ,but no poorer accuracy than 2 moa . Also it shouldnt look to combat -some of the farmers around here dont think much of guys with combat kit -and I need my contacts intact to get to use their lands.

The Dragunov is super sweet ,but sadly the Izmash model offerd here is available only in the sports category and not the hunting list in our PD bylaws.I cant be bothered to jump through all the hoops required to qualify to get it - I just dont have the time these days.I couldnt even use it for hunting -only sports shooting .The rules are annoying and seem meaningless-but we have to have AND adhere to the gun laws .They should just be different is all.

As for ,ahem,non-sporting or hunting related needs for semiauto longarms I have covered that base with a few well known sporterized articles that are widespread and that trace their origins back to a piece of kit called the M1 Garand as well as my service weapon.One day though...If I get my way.....I will have all I ever wanted in terms of iron....

[Mock26]

Originally Posted by Eddie

Here is my mostly complete collection. I still have a few at my dad's house for when we go hunting there.

No offense, but I disapprove of that collection. No muzzleloaders!

[Eddie]

Originally Posted by Mock26

No offense, but I disapprove of that collection. No muzzleloaders!

I have two at my dad's house!

[Mock26]

Originally Posted by Eddie

I have two at my dad's house!

I imagine that muzzleloaders would be somewhat in demand in the Twilight 2000/2013 universe. They would be completely inappropriate for combat but would make for a good hunting weapon, especially for people without access to either reloading equipment and/or smokeless powder or the ability to make smokeless powder.

[Abbott Shaull]

Muzzleloader may seem inappropriate, but you know if you were militia that had 50 or so men with 10 or so rifles/shotguns with other assort pistols and smg, well the muzzleloaders wouldn't look like such a bad option.

[waiting4something]

The only thing I can really say I bought because of Twilight, is the M16 drum that is on the cover of the original first edition book.

[jester]

But its an A1....sheesh!

[headquarters]

I guess its better to have one and not need it than to not have one and need it .

I think I would think twice about trying to stab somebody armed with a .80 cal blunderbuss loaded with bits of metal if I wanted to do some maurauding and had my spiked leather on and my evil looking melee weapons .But if compared to combat against someone armed with a centerfire weapon it is of course inappropriate .But considering ammo situation a few years down the line ..

[Cpl. Kalkwarf]

Originally Posted by jester

But its an A1....sheesh!

That is not an AR-15A1, that is an AR-15. The A1 would have a forward assist and some other minor details like more raised ridges around the mag release.

[waiting4something]

Yeah I, know it's not a A1 like on the cover of the first edition. It's more just like the Air Force 604 version. I had to get the lower from No Dak Spud to make it more correct. They had all the different styles like the slab sides, E1( which is this one), A1's, and A2's. I like some of the old school style stuff so that is why I have this. I get sick of the same old rail AR guns that are all over the place. I mean options are cool, but do I really need all that junk on my gun? Plus you can't believe how much lighter a plain AR-15 is. This one is lighter then my carbines.
But hey the drum is the focus here. I was just using the rifle for display with the drum. I really don't know shit about the drum, and I have not tried it out yet. Its a pump and dump style loader like some AK-47 drums and I believe it holds 75 rounds. More then likely it will suck, but I had to have it from always being curious about it from the Twilight 2000 cover.

[Cpl. Kalkwarf]

Wished I had one or two of those drums.

[Mock26]

While not something that I actually have it was Twilight 2000 that fired up my fascination for all things bullpup.

[jester]

Originally Posted by Mock26

While not something that I actually have it was Twilight 2000 that fired up my fascination for all things bullpup.

What is that? It is bolt and bulpup but it also has a coolness factor....its...itrs like a train wreck, horrible and yet I can't take my eyes off. I..... muuuust..... have one....what is it?

[mikeo80]

Originally Posted by headquarters

Good .

Thanks.

I would be well pleased with 1 MOA too.

Getting a new .308 / 7,62x51 soonish . Considering a semi auto over a bolt action .

Stupid question time from a stupid civilian...What is MOA?

[pmulcahy11b]

Originally Posted by mikeo80

Stupid question time from a stupid civilian...What is MOA?

MOA - Minute of an Angle or Minute of an Arc. If you divide a circle into 360 parts, you get a Minute of an Angle (1 degree each). It's about a meter wide at 1000 meters. If your rifle has a 1 MOA capability, it can be theoretically expected (in the hands of a competent marksman) to place its rounds consistently within a meter-wide circle at 1000 meters range. Naturally, the rifle used, the shooter's skill, his sighting aids or scope, and the ammunition quality all affect this.

[headquarters]

Originally Posted by mikeo80

Stupid question time from a stupid civilian...What is MOA?

The lower the MOA the better the accuracy .
Roughly said: 1 inch spreading in a group of shots at 100 yards equals 1 moa.
2 inches is 2 moa etc .

sub moa ( 0,5 moa etc ) is very desireable because then you have a really accurate gun .But in the real world 1 moa is still darn good and 2-3 moa is decent ..

all in my humble opinion of course

[mikeo80]

Originally Posted by pmulcahy11b

MOA - Minute of an Angle or Minute of an Arc. If you divide a circle into 360 parts, you get a Minute of an Angle (1 degree each). It's about a meter wide at 1000 meters. If your rifle has a 1 MOA capability, it can be theoretically expected (in the hands of a competent marksman) to place its rounds consistently within a meter-wide circle at 1000 meters range. Naturally, the rifle used, the shooter's skill, his sighting aids or scope, and the ammunition quality all affect this.

Thank you for that explanation! I don't have any guns that can reach 1000 meters. .22 is the best I've got.

[mikeo80]

Originally Posted by headquarters

The lower the MOA the better the accuracy .
Roughly said: 1 inch spreading in a group of shots at 100 yards equals 1 moa.
2 inches is 2 moa etc .

sub moa ( 0,5 moa etc ) is very desireable because then you have a really accurate gun .But in the real world 1 moa is still darn good and 2-3 moa is decent ..

all in my humble opinion of course

Thank you for that example. That means with my .22's getting a one 1/2 to two inch grouping at 100 yards is pretty decent. I can do that on a consistant basis, I've got them sighted in well. Now if I can only get the shooter to do better....

[Mock26]

Originally Posted by jester

What is that? It is bolt and bulpup but it also has a coolness factor....its...itrs like a train wreck, horrible and yet I can't take my eyes off. I..... muuuust..... have one....what is it?

http://www.acme-firearms.com.au/Kepp...er%20Rifle.htm

And check out this strange one from Germany:

http://www.waffen-greger.de/index.htm

[pmulcahy11b]

Need more stuff on them! Must stat them out! It's a compulsion...

[headquarters]

Ordered this rifle a few days ago.waiting for paperwork to come through .

Cut the barrel to around 50cm and added an A-Tac maxim can on it .
Putting Leuopld QR rings and bases on it and a Nikon 2,5-10x56 iluuminated scope with the #4 reticle .

have 3000 .308 surplus rounds for practice and because I play T2k .

Cant wait to see what kind of accuracy I can get.

[Mohoender]

I recently made some food reserves (about a full month of food and water for four), got a small camping type cooker and open the well again (it's plenty of water). I also increased my wood reserve, doubling it just in case.

All of it make me think of T2K, of course but, in fact, it has nothing to do with it. Every winter, power gets down and you never know how much time it can remain down.

Then, an old friend of us, visiting lately, advised us to do so. She had lived through Mai 1968 and she fears that it might come again (with communities cut from everything for weeks). Currently, I think that to be fairly plausible.

[Graebarde]

What do I have because I've played T2K since '87? Loads of maps of Poland and Eastern Europe; Polish-English dictionary; Polish travel guides; Living contacts in Poland; Books on the history of Poland; a desire to visit the country (which probably will never happen but.......)

[Mohoender]

Originally Posted by Graebarde

What do I have because I've played T2K since '87? Loads of maps of Poland and Eastern Europe; Polish-English dictionary; Polish travel guides; Living contacts in Poland; Books on the history of Poland; a desire to visit the country (which probably will never happen but.......)

You should, it's a very nice country with very nice people.

[mikeo80]

Originally Posted by Mohoender

Then, an old friend of us, visiting lately, advised us to do so. She had lived through Mai 1968 and she fears that it might come again (with communities cut from everything for weeks). Currently, I think that to be fairly plausible.

What happened to you friend in 1968? Granted, I was fifteen at the time, but I do not remember anything drastic happening.