Stuff you have because you've played Twilight:2000

[pmulcahy11b]

Originally Posted by mikeo80

What happened to you friend in 1968? Granted, I was fifteen at the time, but I do not remember anything drastic happening.

Was she in Czechoslovakia?

[Targan]

Originally Posted by headquarters

Ordered this rifle a few days ago.waiting for paperwork to come through .

Cut the barrel to around 50cm and added an A-Tac maxim can on it .
Putting Leuopld QR rings and bases on it and a Nikon 2,5-10x56 iluuminated scope with the #4 reticle .

Very nice HQ, very nice.

[weswood]

Originally Posted by Cpl. Kalkwarf

. I do have some with the M1a (civ M14). I would love to be able to find/afford the Valmet AK in 308. http://bwfirearms.com/GunPics/valmet78.JPG

What do you think of the M1A? I've been thinking of getting one for about a year, but the money has been scarce. Then my favorite aunt died last month and left me a little cash (and yes, she was my favorite before she died, as long as I can remember in fact).

On the subject of muzzle loaders, my first real rifle was a CVA .45 Kentucky rifle. My father put it together, turned out beautiful. I think I was 12 at the time. Tall as I was, and I had to brace the barrel to shoot it, couldn't hold it up. We put a set of adjustable sights on it. I hunted with it until I gave up hunting. It still holds #1 position in the gun cabinet, #2 being Pop's shotgun that's been in the family longer than I have.

I can remember the 1st time he took me hunting, I was about 5. He had to tie me to his back like a backpack to climb into the tree stand, then went back down for the shotgun.

[Mohoender]

Originally Posted by mikeo80

What happened to you friend in 1968? Granted, I was fifteen at the time, but I do not remember anything drastic happening.

I wasn't born but France came on the verge of revolution in Mai 1968 (at least apparently). De Gaulle remained silent for three weeks. Colleges were occupied by students and a general strike started. Army units took position in the woods of Paris but officers in charge made clear that they would refuse to march on the citizens. At a point, Students faced the CRS almost daily with roadblocks all over Paris. Shops ended empty and power was down several time... My friend, as many french people simply experienced huge difficulties when it came to simply buy food.

Nobody can say what might happen but the current situation might well bring us to that. France will go on strike on september 7. My wife will be on strike for the first time in 7 years and for the first time I advise her to do so. Sincirely, I would like to see 20 million frenchmen and women in the street (for the first time in 40 years, I'm thinking about joining the protesters). Fifteen years ago, my US teacher in politics explained our class that, in his opinion, France was increasingly similar to that of 1789 (French Revolution). I wouldn't be surprised if he is proved right.

[Mohoender]

Originally Posted by pmulcahy11b

Was she in Czechoslovakia?

Everything wasn't happening in Czechoslovakia. Don't take it wrong, however, Paul. French don't know shit on what happens in US and your question is logical. At the time, US was more concerned with what was happening behind the Iron Curtain. And that was much more important.

On the other hand, I'm pretty sure that US officials kept an eye on Paris. Students and workers were protesting under red flags with their heroes being Mao Zedong and Che Guevara. What is interesting is one thesis on the subject. Evidences seem to point out that Moscow could have supported the french government against the protesters. In fact, that could make sense, US would have not tolerated a soviet take over of France.

[jester]

Well 68 was a very interesting year.

The French Affair,

Tet in Vietnam which struck a real blow to the North, but it also signaled the end for the US as a result of the media and their spin.

Czech Uprising

Then, we had assorted Race Riots in the US as well.

What else happened in other parts of the world?

Interesting idea if we tied all of those events together for an alternate timeline campaign.


Race Riots in the US, who are supported by Communist organizations.

Indo China, Tet, and maybe other activites in and around Indo China. Maybe even China makes an overt move.

France going into Revolution Supported by the Russians

Greece deals with FARC, <is Farc the Communist group there?>

Berlin gets isolated and the Russians move divisions in to posture.

The Czech Uprising, but it gets more support.

Africa and its proxy bushfire wars.

All blow up into a Twilight 1968!

[jester]

Originally Posted by weswood

What do you think of the M1A? I've been thinking of getting one for about a year, but the money has been scarce. Then my favorite aunt died last month and left me a little cash (and yes, she was my favorite before she died, as long as I can remember in fact).

On the subject of muzzle loaders, my first real rifle was a CVA .45 Kentucky rifle. My father put it together, turned out beautiful. I think I was 12 at the time. Tall as I was, and I had to brace the barrel to shoot it, couldn't hold it up. We put a set of adjustable sights on it. I hunted with it until I gave up hunting. It still holds #1 position in the gun cabinet, #2 being Pop's shotgun that's been in the family longer than I have.

I can remember the 1st time he took me hunting, I was about 5. He had to tie me to his back like a backpack to climb into the tree stand, then went back down for the shotgun.

You and me both! I just got a years worth of back pay from the V.A. for my disability. An unexpected winfall. And I have been looking at them and pricing them myself.

The local gunstore has a SOCOM II, a bit front heavy, but that will keep recoil and muzzle rise down.

I used to shoot a freinds standard GI model all the time. It fit nicely, felt good and was deadly accurate!

The question is, what variant to get?

Are you looking at:

Standard, Match, National Match, Scout, Socom 16, Socom II?

Then we have the barrel type and furniture to consider. Of course there are also triggers, sights and flashsuppresors and compensators.

For me, I am debating between the Socom 16 and the Match Variant with black synthetic furniture and a chrome barrel, with a national match sight and California Legal Compensator.

They are very cool with lots of accessories availavble! And you can use them for pliinking <if you can afford the ammo> as well as competion and just general shooting! A true piece of working art!

[headquarters]

Originally Posted by Mohoender

You should, it's a very nice country with very nice people.

And not very expensive -provided you dont eat and live in the "tourist traps ".

I recommend Warszaw as an interesting city .Krakow is also good.
Poland has alot of nice nature and the Baltic coast in summer is supposedly very nice .
People there are a good sort -hard working most of them ,and quite welcoming .

[headquarters]

Originally Posted by Targan

Very nice HQ, very nice.

I am like the proverbial kid in a candy store -exited.

[Mohoender]

Originally Posted by jester

France going into Revolution Supported by the Russians

I like all your ideas as always but I would have the French revolution supported by China instead. I like the idea of having the Russian supporting the French government. It would add to the general confusion and would place everyone in a tricky situation that could not have occured in the late 80's (don't forget Albania is a Chinese ally).

May be you can also add an early Portuguese uprising with communists taking advantage of the messy situation around.

Nuclear destruction would probably ne less important than in regular T2K but chemical and biological weapons will be more widely used.

[jester]

Mo, you are evil! Doing more to confuse the storey. I love it!

Oh, how about we add a uprising with Franco's Spain. They drop into another civil war. Hmmm, didn't the US have a "BROKEN ARROW" that year too? <Broken Arrow, a lost nuclear weapon> That causes issues with the US and local population.

There is general unrest with the regime. The King is being supported to comeback. And of course the Communist insurgents. And lets toss in some Nazis supporting Franco too. That would be a big mess with parties trying to figure out who is who. Nothing like a 4 or 5 way Civil War to keep the PCs on their toes.

OH WOW!!!!

Didn't the Pueblo Incident occur in 68 as well? So, we can add a flashpoint in Korea too.

[weswood]

Originally Posted by jester

You and me both! I just got a years worth of back pay from the V.A. for my disability. An unexpected winfall. And I have been looking at them and pricing them myself.

The local gunstore has a SOCOM II, a bit front heavy, but that will keep recoil and muzzle rise down.

I used to shoot a freinds standard GI model all the time. It fit nicely, felt good and was deadly accurate!

The question is, what variant to get?

Are you looking at:

Standard, Match, National Match, Scout, Socom 16, Socom II?

Then we have the barrel type and furniture to consider. Of course there are also triggers, sights and flashsuppresors and compensators.

For me, I am debating between the Socom 16 and the Match Variant with black synthetic furniture and a chrome barrel, with a national match sight and California Legal Compensator.

They are very cool with lots of accessories availavble! And you can use them for pliinking <if you can afford the ammo> as well as competion and just general shooting! A true piece of working art!

I like the Standard version. I'm a simple kind of guy. I'm considering that or an AR15, the M4 version with the colapsable buttstock. I've never fired the M4, and have never been real fond of the M16 series, but I like that collapsable stock so I can teach my daughter to shoot. That and there's several boxes of .223 at my aunt's house I may be able to con my cousin out of. She gave me 4 boxes of .380 last year when i griped I couldn't find any in the stores.

[TiggerCCW UK]

Originally Posted by jester

Well 68 was a very interesting year.

You forgot the start of the events leading up to troops being deployed here in Northern Ireland. This tied down a sizeable proportion of the British Army, and also there were rumours of Russian aproaches to support the ROI in forcefully retaking the North so that Ireland could become a kind of European Cuba. Apparently the US also hinted that to stop this they would offer some form of overseas dependancy to Ireland to block the Russians. Obviously it never came to anything, but it could have.....

[pmulcahy11b]

Originally Posted by Mohoender

Everything wasn't happening in Czechoslovakia. Don't take it wrong, however, Paul. French don't know shit on what happens in US and your question is logical. At the time, US was more concerned with what was happening behind the Iron Curtain. And that was much more important.

On the other hand, I'm pretty sure that US officials kept an eye on Paris. Students and workers were protesting under red flags with their heroes being Mao Zedong and Che Guevara. What is interesting is one thesis on the subject. Evidences seem to point out that Moscow could have supported the french government against the protesters. In fact, that could make sense, US would have not tolerated a soviet take over of France.

I take no offense. Most Americans don't even know what happened in Czechoslovakia in 1968 -- as a country, we're remarkably ignorant about anything beyond the price of eggs. But you've prompted me to look up the events in France in 1968, so you've furthered my education. And, wow.

As an aside, I remember a few years ago making a reference to my nephew about Vietnam. He had no idea what or where Vietnam was, let alone what happened there. What the hell did they teach him in school?

[Mohoender]

Paul, French are equally ignorant about USA. The main diference is that the French are usually convinced they know. History is too vast a subject to know more than a slim peace of it. That's one of the thing I like about this forum, I keep learning plenty of things and people are not shy when it come to correct someone else.

Lately, two friends of mine were complaining about how ignorant americans are when it comes to Geography. I played a little game with them.

I asked where Guinea is: they answered Asia.
Then, I asked them where is Timmbuktu: they answered India/Nepal.
Finally, I asked where Uruguay is: They answered that it was land locked in the middle of South America. At least they had the continent right.

[jester]

Originally Posted by weswood

I like the Standard version. I'm a simple kind of guy. I'm considering that or an AR15, the M4 version with the colapsable buttstock. I've never fired the M4, and have never been real fond of the M16 series, but I like that collapsable stock so I can teach my daughter to shoot. That and there's several boxes of .223 at my aunt's house I may be able to con my cousin out of. She gave me 4 boxes of .380 last year when i griped I couldn't find any in the stores.

Nice! I have been looking at some of the new shorty uppers to go with a lower I bought a couple years ago. One has a barrel that look like a SAW with the new rail system. It look total bad @$$.

The down side, being this is The Peoples Democratic Repulik of Kalifornia, no adjustable stocks, no flash suppressors, threated barrels to accep a suppressor, only pinned compensators

So, my intention of the lower will be a compesition stock with intergral cheek rest, with the adjustment for length and height. Match trigger assembly, 24 inch fluted stainless barrel, Hogue free floating tube foregrip, flattop upper, I am thinking low ride fixed sights extra thing front blade, and rear super match sights.

Anyhow, that is my project rifle.

Still need to figure if I want to drop the 1500 to 2000 for the Springfield, downside, at the gunshop they are WAAAY overpriced, and they have no idea when they will be able to order from Springfield, they just aren't taking orders ;(

I am also toying with the idea of a good bolt gun, I'd love a Styer SSG 69 but they don't come in Left Hand.

Maybe a tricked out Remiington 700, or maybe something by Robar in .308......OH WAIT!!!! The AR's in .308 are available now too! And alot are going for slightly more than a traditional brand name AR!

HQ, you've got a couple of us going now. See what you've started!

[Mohoender]

Originally Posted by jester

Oh, how about we add a uprising with Franco's Spain.

I like that idea too. No!! I'm not evil, the world is.

Just a small rumor (take it as such, I can't justify this). In 1974-5, during the Portuguese Revolution, US didn't intervene while communist attempted to take over. As a result, Angola fell to the communists and Portugal was ruled by communist for about a year.

Someone told me that US non-intervention resulted from a secret agreement between Washington and Moscow. Moscow was allowed to move on if Cabinda's oil was to fall under US control.

This is a rumor and nobody will confirm it. Moreover, 35 years later, nobody can have access to Salazar's archives. All of them were transfered to Moscow and remain their to our days.

[jester]

I never heard of that one.

[Mohoender]

Originally Posted by jester

I never heard of that one.

Nobody has. I told you, it's a rumor, a product of my imagination.

[headquarters]

Originally Posted by jester

Nice! I have been looking at some of the new shorty uppers to go with a lower I bought a couple years ago. One has a barrel that look like a SAW with the new rail system. It look total bad @$$.

The down side, being this is The Peoples Democratic Repulik of Kalifornia, no adjustable stocks, no flash suppressors, threated barrels to accep a suppressor, only pinned compensators

So, my intention of the lower will be a compesition stock with intergral cheek rest, with the adjustment for length and height. Match trigger assembly, 24 inch fluted stainless barrel, Hogue free floating tube foregrip, flattop upper, I am thinking low ride fixed sights extra thing front blade, and rear super match sights.

Anyhow, that is my project rifle.

Still need to figure if I want to drop the 1500 to 2000 for the Springfield, downside, at the gunshop they are WAAAY overpriced, and they have no idea when they will be able to order from Springfield, they just aren't taking orders ;(

I am also toying with the idea of a good bolt gun, I'd love a Styer SSG 69 but they don't come in Left Hand.

Maybe a tricked out Remiington 700, or maybe something by Robar in .308......OH WAIT!!!! The AR's in .308 are available now too! And alot are going for slightly more than a traditional brand name AR!

HQ, you've got a couple of us going now. See what you've started!

I read your deliberations about what gun to get with interest as it is a question I have wrestled with many times myself.Your intended use of the gun being the primary issue.
Is it hunting,plinking,serious target practice,for use as a potential combat gun or indeed several or all of the above ?Some guns are just cool as sh** and you need one just to have it -another factor to be considered.

Next consider your caliber preferances.Both ballistics,percieved recoil and ammo price and availability should be considered.The rifles you mention are admirable weapons indeed.


I have a few suggestions of my own -if I may.

What do you guys recon about the AR-10 rifles in .308 ?Or .243?
I say they are looking pretty good and probably shot better than most of us straight out of the box..1-2 MOA with decent ammo..

http://www.armalite.com/ItemForm.aspx?item=10A4F-2

Also the FNAR looks pretty awesome and even more accurate than the AR:

http://www.fnhusa.com/le/products/fi...049&gid=FNG022


Last but not least -the good ole Browning BAR ( not the squad weapon ).
Its reliable,it is proven,it has decent accuracy ,it works as a hunting rifle still you can get 4,6,10 and even 20 round mags for it and use it in anger.(Hypotethically!!! ) EDIT : Max mag capacity is between 2 and 6 rounds depending on capacity .FNAR is the same action more or less but with possible hi-cap.Sorry about the technical mistake.Thanks for letting it slide Paul
It comes in various calibers too.

http://www.browning.com/products/cat...?webflag_=002B

I just gotta say -the whole CALI "no pistol grip" kinda ruins most if not all "military type" rifles for me.The legal configuration is ugly imho.Better to get something designed for a thumbholestock or the older integrated pistolgrip stock like the M1A and similar .THere is the bullet button loop hole though ,it sounds a bit of a pain but at least you get a classic look to your rifle -like these

http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/storeproduct780.aspx

These are just the .308s I am thinking of.If you want to talk .223 or Rem 6,8SPC or even the venerable 7,62x39 there are loads more to consider.

Not to mention if you want to discuss bolt action rifles...
Maybe a gun thread should be started ..

[weswood]

HQ, my intended purpose is mostly plinking.

I'm leaning towards the AR15 for that reason. Cheaper ammo, parts availability, surplus parts & ammo. Plus I want to teach my daughter rifle shooting, she's 9 years old and petite for her age, so a collapsible stock is a must.

But on the other hand, I got rid of my deer rifles. After my father died, I pretty much lost interest in hunting. I don't know if it's stress or upbringing, but I'm getting the urge to go hunting. I'm not fond of the idea of hunting deer with a .223. I know if it will kill a man, it will kill a deer, but I've read cases of the bullet going through people and not even slowing down, the target stood there and kept shooting back. I'm a firm believer in one shot, one kill. Specially with animals. As I said above, my 1st hunting rifle was a muzzle loader, and my 1st shotgun was a break action single 20. No quick follow up shots with either.

So I'm also leaning towards the M1 .308.

Plus there's the wife factor. "You spent HOW much on that!" Even though weapons are a little cheaper here in Texas than in Cali. (Jester, for some reason I thought you lived near Houston.) I haven't priced any since last year, but I think I remember the Springfield going for around $1300, and I can get an AR15 for $1000. Maybe less if I can find a used one.

[weswood]

I wonder about the title to this thread. "Stuff you have because you've played Twilight 2000". I think in some cases I've played RPGs becuase the stuff I've had.

I've always been interested in weapons of all types , except the Star Wars lasers and whatnot. I've only been really into Dudgeons & Dragons and Twilight 2000. I started with D&D when I was 13 or 14, and when T2K came out, I was already in the Marine Corps.

[jester]

Wes, nope, in Cali, for another year or two then I am bailing to somewhere in Free America.

As for inexpensive ARs, I have seen many for under 900, and in the "Free States" they are not that uncommon.

HQ; I HATE YOU! I forgot about that website. I was almost drooling over some of the things there. The .50's even though they were bolt action and single shots were a bit expensive but within my capability, hey, $3,000 for a .50 is cheap! Danged Governator! Another reason to hate him, not only did he cut my pay, then lay me off, he banned .50s. I hope his hummers runflats fall apart!

And the semi auto M1919 Browning, both under $2,000! What would be awesome wuld be the variant with the bipod and shoulder stock.

I did see the Dragonov at J&G's website today and was thinking about it. But, alas, California legal. Forget it! Wait until I move.

However, the M1A1/M14 variants in the Scout or SOCOM 16 models are starting to take the lead or an AR variant in .308. <The ARs are legal here in their normal configuration with what they call a "Gorrilla Grip" which is a wedge looking grip that fits flush with the rear buttstock of ARs. A simple temporar solution, which is easily changed rather than the pinned magazines, o bullet variants for ARs. I had some very irriating people with them when I went to the range on Sunday. They sprayed alot of ammo, but didn't shoot past 25m. So sad. I was the only one shooting the max distance of the range, a whopping 300m.>

Worse case scenario, I can call a freind front him the funds to purchase the items and hold them for me until I do relocate and just transfer them over then. I have a source for HK 91 and 93s that are pretty sweet! And both for under $1000.

As for me, eh, got enough rifles for hunting. I will never give up my 30-40 Krag for what we have around here. Light recoil, easy action, pretty accurate for a weapon over a century old that had been chopped sometime in the 20s or 30s. And I have a large supply of ammo!

For larger game or longer ranges, eh, my .300 Win Mag is good enough.

I am thinking something for accuracy and range, as I am in persuit of "the ultimate shot." And general accurate plinking, and showing off at the range when people are just wasting lead under 50m.


As for gamming,

What arms would be the most common in your area, or specific areas for PCs to encounter?

[headquarters]

I would get the .308 for hunting for sure.I want a M1A ,but alas , they are not allowed here as they are not on the approved list...

But the .223 is a clever little round too.Especially when teaching someone to shoot after they have been initiated with a .22 - the .223 is a good beginners round.It can be hunted with ,as long as the game is of a medium to smallish size .for deer it would be illegal here ( what we call deer gets to around 150-200 KG tops here,most in the 75 KG range ).
Some here use it for hare,beaver,fox ,and the smallest bovine game we have here.

I just find the .308 more versatile.It can do anything up to and including moose which is pretty much the biggest game here .( Around 500 KG ).

Best of luck in finding a new rifle to all !

Originally Posted by weswood

HQ, my intended purpose is mostly plinking.

I'm leaning towards the AR15 for that reason. Cheaper ammo, parts availability, surplus parts & ammo. Plus I want to teach my daughter rifle shooting, she's 9 years old and petite for her age, so a collapsible stock is a must.

But on the other hand, I got rid of my deer rifles. After my father died, I pretty much lost interest in hunting. I don't know if it's stress or upbringing, but I'm getting the urge to go hunting. I'm not fond of the idea of hunting deer with a .223. I know if it will kill a man, it will kill a deer, but I've read cases of the bullet going through people and not even slowing down, the target stood there and kept shooting back. I'm a firm believer in one shot, one kill. Specially with animals. As I said above, my 1st hunting rifle was a muzzle loader, and my 1st shotgun was a break action single 20. No quick follow up shots with either.

So I'm also leaning towards the M1 .308.

Plus there's the wife factor. "You spent HOW much on that!" Even though weapons are a little cheaper here in Texas than in Cali. (Jester, for some reason I thought you lived near Houston.) I haven't priced any since last year, but I think I remember the Springfield going for around $1300, and I can get an AR15 for $1000. Maybe less if I can find a used one.

[headquarters]

Originally Posted by jester

As for me, eh, got enough rifles for hunting. I will never give up my 30-40 Krag for what we have around here. Light recoil, easy action, pretty accurate for a weapon over a century old that had been chopped sometime in the 20s or 30s. And I have a large supply of ammo!

Good,classical Norwegian rifle that .

We are quite proud of its history up here .

I have a Norwegian one on its way ( or so my father in law says ) ,and hopefully I will get to shoot it sometime this winter .

It is a 1920s standard infantry version , so it cannot take the hottest new hunting ammo I have been told.

[waiting4something]

Jester get your buddy to get the guns for you. Don't buy any of that Cali crap. That shit is offensive! Talk about a brown stain. But if you must get one, get the M1A since its not competely trashed. Once you leave the red state, you can get a real flash suppressor for it and the normal capacity mags. Or, just stick to bolts action rifles until you pack up and leave. Don't degrade yourself with the Cali AR's. That is just wrong! I mean what is the purpose of that gun? To make you dead or look stupid? Man screw the reds.

[headquarters]

Originally Posted by waiting4something

Jester get your buddy to get the guns for you. Don't buy any of that Cali crap. That shit is offensive! Talk about a brown stain. But if you must get one, get the M1A since its not competely trashed. Once you leave the red state, you can get a real flash suppressor for it and the normal capacity mags. Or, just stick to bolts action rifles until you pack up and leave. Don't degrade yourself with the Cali AR's. That is just wrong! I mean what is the purpose of that gun? To make you dead or look stupid? Man screw the reds.

Although I fully symphatize with your aversion towards the look and functionality of the "California legal" assault rifles (monsterman grips etc ), I must however ask you to please turn down the political commentary such as your last sentence there .

Voicing your opinion is encouraged here .Keeping it civil is required.

thanks.

[waiting4something]

Oh yeah Jester one more thing. Heads up on the hk-93 clones. The magazines are scarce and cost you a butt load. The 40 round aluminium mags are to big for prone shooting and are kid of wimpy built. The 30 and 25 rounders are steel and solid, but more scarce and ruin about 70 bucks a pop. The hk-91 magazines no big deal. They are everywhere and cheap steel or aluminium. Now extra parts for hk's are starting to get real pricey. Parts are not as plentiful as they used to be. Some clones have a lot of probelms too, so people put real hk parts in there guns to replace that non hk garbage so they work. Just make sure you do your research on what clones suck and what ones work. I'm assuming you meant clones, because most real hk 91/93 cost between $2-$3000.

[waiting4something]

Originally Posted by headquarters

Although I fully symphatize with your aversion towards the look and functionality of the "California legal" assault rifles (monsterman grips etc ), I must however ask you to please turn down the political commentary such as your last sentence there .

Voicing your opinion is encouraged here .Keeping it civil is required.

thanks.

Oh ok. Very well.

[jester]

Waiting:

I won't argue with you on any of your sentiment of one of the big five red states. I worked on the inside. Its a sinking ship. And the ships officers are ignoring the holes below the waterline. Hell, they are opening them even more with jackhammers and blow torches! And that explains my whole experience working for state gov! Glad I got laid off! Just not thrilled with the hatchet job they pulled. But, lol, now this month minimuim wage and everyone gets three furlough days again, lovely!

Sorry for the rant. Hmmm, this could be a point for T2K, how states left to their own devises go down the toilet bowl and add to the totla anarchy.

Or, leadership that hides reality and is so delusional you just stop and wonder.

As for weaponry, yes, they are clones, I know of four places out of state who do clones. And IF I were to go that route. I would front my bro even though he was with 3/7 <7th Marines is rampant with homo sexuals you know >And when I move, we transfer the items over.


As for purchasing stuff here. Cali Leader M1A1 or varaint <Scout, SOCOM or Match> the compensator is no big deal! Hell, if it works better than the original then even better!

As for the AR class. I put on the "Gorilla Grip" or "Monster Grip" I can have a normal AR, the grip is just different. And that is nothing more than a long screw and some washers. Personaly I like the A2 grip because of the way I shoot, the finger groove is a reference point for where I hold it and place my finger on the trigger. But, eh, I can put up with the "Monster/Gorilla Grip" for another year or two then swap it out for a Hogue grip, its alot easier than the compensator.

And no, no way in hell would I buy one of those cool looking phoney black rifles that have the pinned magazine where you have to break the rifle down shotgun style and load! Two words come to mind, "Screw" and "That!" If such were the case, then I would go with something else, in bolt, or a cool shotgun, or something.


Now, weapons in relation to T2K,

Would weapons bans and restrictions be that great in the years leading up to the T2K events? Or shortly thereafter?

I can understand it occuring in refugee camps. But, the general population without ay reloactions going on.