5th ARMY

[Dog 6]

plz post your 5th army's here

[Dog 6]

My 5th ARMY as of 6/1/2003

5th ARMY HQ: 2000 men, 1 M-1A1 Houston TX

15th Aviation Brigade: 2800 Men, 11 AH-1, 15 OH-58, 17 UH1H, 7 CH-47, 2 CH-54, 2 MI-24, 4 MI-8, 3 AH-64D, 13 UH-60 units can be found all over 5th ARMY A.O.


220th MP Brigade: 1600 men, 29 Peacekeeper, 23 M-706, 12 M750 HQ 200 men Houston. units can be found all over 5th ARMY A.O.

420th Engineer Brigade: 2500 men 3 M-728CEV's HQ 300 men Houston. units can be found all over 5th ARMY A.O.


90th CORPS HQ 1900 men, 1 M-1A1 San Antonio TX

103rd Artillery Brigade: 2600 men , 34 M-109, 11 M-110, 8 MLRS units can be found all over 90th Corps A.O.

90th Transportation Brigade: 3500 men 700 Trucks , 270 Tankers units can be found all over 90th Corps A.O.

90th supply Brigade: 4000 men San Antonio

49th Armored Division: 6000 men, 49 M-1A1, 9 M-1A2, 88 Stingray II,
23 M-60A3, 103 M-113, 29 M-2, 25 M-109, 2 MLRS Brownsville


52nd Mechanized Division: 5000 men, 90 Stingray II, 37 M-2A1, 135 M-113, 22 M-109 , 2 MLRS , 26 LAV 25, 5 T-72, 3 BMP-2, 8 BTR-70 Laredo

56th Infantry Division: 3700 men, 21 M-113, 5 M-60A3, 17 105mm How, 6 155mm How Eagle Pass




122nd CORPS HQ 1500 men 1 M-60A3 Midland/ Odessa TX

479th Artillery Brigade: 2700 men 38 155mm HOW, 22 105mm How units can be found all over 122nd Corps A.O.

122nd Transportation Brigade: 2900 men 590 Trucks , 240 Tankers units can be found all over 122nd Corps A.O.

122nd supply Brigade: 3900 men Midland/ Odessa

45th Mechanized Division: 9500 men, 159 Stingray II, 191 M-113, 37 M-2, 41 M-109, 26 M901, 3 MLRS Persidio

80th Reserve Infantry Division: 4400 men, 16 M-113, 11 M-48A5, 16 155mm How, 29 105mm How Pumpville

57th Infantry Division: 6500 men, 33 M-113, 21 M-48A5, 49 105mm How, 14 155mm How Van Horn



111st CORPS HQ 1400 men Alamogordo NM

111st Artillery Brigade: 1500 men 40 105mm How, 8 155mm How units can be found all over 111st Corps A.O.

111st Transportation Brigade: 2400 men 470 Trucks , 100 Tankers units can be found all over 111st Corps A.O.

111st supply Brigade: 3000 men Fort Bliss NM

60th Infantry Division: 5300 men, 16 M-60A3, 27 M-113, 31 105mm How, 6 155mm How Douglas NM

84th Reserve Infantry Division: 4200 men, 13 M-48A5, 15 M-113, 12 155mm How, 18 105mm How, 5 ERC-90, 3 BTR-70 Columbus NM

85th Reserve Infantry Division: 2500 men, 2 M-48A5, 7 M-113, 11 105mm How, 3 155mm How, 4 T-55, 5 BTR-70 Rodeo NM

196th Mechanized Brigade: 3800 men, 29 M-1A1, 92 M-113, 16 M-2, 16 M-109, 9 M-901 EL Paso TX


Enjoy

[kalos72]

I haven't really messed with the 5th Army too much really, been focusing my works on the NYC area for my campaign.

Can I ask, why did you go through a write up for that command and in what situation/scenario you use it in?

Your numbers and equipment are much more robust then most here would normally see. I would love to know your story or situation you are basing this work from.

Good stuff either way for sure! Thanks!

[HorseSoldier]

What does the above have to do with Twilight 2000?

[Dog 6]

Originally Posted by kalos72

I haven't really messed with the 5th Army too much really, been focusing my works on the NYC area for my campaign.

Can I ask, why did you go through a write up for that command and in what situation/scenario you use it in?

Your numbers and equipment are much more robust then most here would normally see. I would love to know your story or situation you are basing this work from.

Good stuff either way for sure! Thanks!

I'm getting around to typing up my world obo's (got them on paper). lets see. hmmm well my game starts about the same with china and Russia. but nukes don't pop off till 1998 and did not go after oil but did tactical and counter-force. I have France getting pwned in 2001, Switzerland joining the NATO side. had Sweden and Finland join nato 98-99. oh 11th corps 2000 offensive was a success. ( 5th and 8th id didn't go so far.) lots of combat in south America. Brazil on our side. north Korea rolled up by 2002, troops pulled out. I have lots of combat in Africa. Armys are much bigger then in canon around 2 times the size, supply and replacement AFV's can still be had as can oil. air-forces still have plans to fly. Navy s still have some ships.

[kalos72]

Nice to see some other time lines and such. Would love to see your time line stories and such to get a good feel for how your world is put together.

[Webstral]

ORBATs are fun to create. I've invested some time over the years in creating orders of battle for some quasi-Twilight: 2000 scenarios. It's a diverting passtime.

Webstral

[Dog 6]

Originally Posted by kalos72

Nice to see some other time lines and such. Would love to see your time line stories and such to get a good feel for how your world is put together.

I'll try and type one up for you at some point. my group does not play the rpg side of t2k, we play this as a war-game. battalions and up (mostly Divisions) we use GDW's WWIII, and assault board games to play it out. As the GM I play the WP side of it all most of the time. we've played it out to 2008/09 the last time around. We've started a 5th round, and are fighting in china 1995/6 atm. I've been typing out my OBO's as of 2003 because after that things really start to go down hill for the WP.

[kalos72]

Ahhhh..now that makes sense now. Thats why your troops and vehicle levels are so much higher. How much fun would a war game be with the crap left over in the T2K canon stuff. :P

[Dog 6]

Originally Posted by kalos72

Ahhhh..now that makes sense now. Thats why your troops and vehicle levels are so much higher. How much fun would a war game be with the crap left over in the T2K canon stuff. :P

not much fun. but I do have a blast with the all most imposable task of trying to supply whats left in canon and amalgamation and reorganization of units. I think at some point I got 3 full Divisions out of what was left in Europe.

[Dog 6]

Webstral post your 5th army's.

[pmulcahy11b]

Originally Posted by Dog 6

I have France getting pwned in 2001,

I have always wondered about the fact that France didn't get hit as hard as I think they should have in WW3. It sometimes make me think that they made a backhanded deal with the Russians -- they'd sit out the war in return for some mercy from the Russians, and taking some NATO players out of the game.

[HorseSoldier]

It does seem odd that France wasn't hit with the same level of megatonnage as the US/UK if just to take their resources off the table for potential use by NATO, and I'd agree that some sort of diplomatic deal with the USSR must have been worked out -- though it may have been as simple as France telling the Soviets that they could either leave them alone and they'd stay neutral or if attacked they'd unload their own nuclear arsenal in return, only with the aim of wiping the 10 largest (or so) Soviet cities off the map entirely rather than the incremental anti-oil campaign.

[Webstral]

I haven't done much with Fifth US Army. The closest I've come to Fifth US Army turf is a bit of work on Cannon AFB, which isn't really near any of the Fifth Army units, and a touch of work on an Oklahoma SDF that runs rear area security behind the screen of Fifth US Army. In all honesty, I'd not be inclined to change the US Army Vehicle Guide listing terribly, other than to add some Operation Omega veterans and account for some losses between July 2000 and April 2001.

Webstral

[Abbott Shaull]

Uhm I think the Soviets/Russia and France have had an agreement for sometime. Hence, explain their temporary withdraw from NATO. On other hand the France and Soviets realize the deal was made with players they have never really been able to trust unless they had a common enemy. With that said, both had expectation of their respective and would of been too willingly in my assessment of both, they would of been too use their Nukes if one side or the other went beyond a 'Line in the sand'. They knew where the magically point but none of their allies knew, much less many of the units operating in the said region.....

[pmulcahy11b]

The French really come across as Machiavellian in T2K.

[Rainbow Six]

Originally Posted by pmulcahy11b

The French really come across as Machiavellian in T2K.

Totally agree...I always envisage French agents lurking in the background pulling strings and being responsible for all sorts of general mischief.

[Legbreaker]

There's one thing to be said for the French in T2K - at least they found a way to avoid surrendering this time...

:P

[Abbott Shaull]

Like I said they have worked out a deal long time ago...

[Dog 6]

Originally Posted by Legbreaker

There's one thing to be said for the French in T2K - at least they found a way to avoid surrendering this time...

:P

LMFAO

[StainlessSteelCynic]

Originally Posted by Abbott Shaull

Uhm I think the Soviets/Russia and France have had an agreement for sometime. Hence, explain their temporary withdraw from NATO.

The French left NATO more because they didn't trust the US to aid any of its allies in Europe if they got into trouble, they saw the US going soft on the Soviets. It was particularly things like Kennedy stating that he would no longer consider using nukes as the first response to a Soviet invasion of Europe.
That series of events drove French foreign policy ever since and was the specific reason for France to acquire nuclear weapons and nuclear power plants.

[Abbott Shaull]

Like I stated before it is three way draw on who would use Nukes first. Soviets and US believe the other side would be the first to used them, while both side more or less know how far they would allow the other to get to before risk of it going nuclear rapid raise. While the French with their exit of NATO and acquiring Nukes have implied where they intend to start using them to their at the time former NATO allies and it was hell of lot sooner than NATO Command hand agreed too.

[Dog 6]

Originally Posted by Dog 6

My 5th ARMY as of 6/1/2003

5th ARMY HQ: 2000 men, 1 M-1A1 Houston TX

15th Aviation Brigade: 2800 Men, 11 AH-1, 15 OH-58, 17 UH1H, 7 CH-47, 2 CH-54, 2 MI-24, 4 MI-8, 3 AH-64D, 13 UH-60 units can be found all over 5th ARMY A.O.


220th MP Brigade: 1600 men, 29 Peacekeeper, 23 M-706, 12 M750 HQ 200 men Houston. units can be found all over 5th ARMY A.O.

420th Engineer Brigade: 2500 men 3 M-728CEV's HQ 300 men Houston. units can be found all over 5th ARMY A.O.


90th CORPS HQ 1900 men, 1 M-1A1 San Antonio TX

103rd Artillery Brigade: 2600 men , 34 M-109, 11 M-110, 8 MLRS units can be found all over 90th Corps A.O.

90th Transportation Brigade: 3500 men 700 Trucks , 270 Tankers units can be found all over 90th Corps A.O.

90th supply Brigade: 4000 men San Antonio

49th Armored Division: 6000 men, 49 M-1A1, 9 M-1A2, 88 Stingray II,
23 M-60A3, 103 M-113, 29 M-2, 25 M-109, 2 MLRS Brownsville


52nd Mechanized Division: 5000 men, 90 Stingray II, 37 M-2A1, 135 M-113, 22 M-109 , 2 MLRS , 26 LAV 25, 5 T-72, 3 BMP-2, 8 BTR-70 Laredo

56th Infantry Division: 3700 men, 21 M-113, 5 M-60A3, 17 105mm How, 6 155mm How Eagle Pass




122nd CORPS HQ 1500 men 1 M-60A3 Midland/ Odessa TX

479th Artillery Brigade: 2700 men 38 155mm HOW, 22 105mm How units can be found all over 122nd Corps A.O.

122nd Transportation Brigade: 2900 men 590 Trucks , 240 Tankers units can be found all over 122nd Corps A.O.

122nd supply Brigade: 3900 men Midland/ Odessa

45th Mechanized Division: 9500 men, 159 Stingray II, 191 M-113, 37 M-2, 41 M-109, 26 M901, 3 MLRS Persidio

80th Reserve Infantry Division: 4400 men, 16 M-113, 11 M-48A5, 16 155mm How, 29 105mm How Pumpville

57th Infantry Division: 6500 men, 33 M-113, 21 M-48A5, 49 105mm How, 14 155mm How Van Horn



111st CORPS HQ 1400 men Alamogordo NM

111st Artillery Brigade: 1500 men 40 105mm How, 8 155mm How units can be found all over 111st Corps A.O.

111st Transportation Brigade: 2400 men 470 Trucks , 100 Tankers units can be found all over 111st Corps A.O.

111st supply Brigade: 3000 men Fort Bliss NM

60th Infantry Division: 5300 men, 16 M-60A3, 27 M-113, 31 105mm How, 6 155mm How Douglas NM

84th Reserve Infantry Division: 4200 men, 13 M-48A5, 15 M-113, 12 155mm How, 18 105mm How, 5 ERC-90, 3 BTR-70 Columbus NM

85th Reserve Infantry Division: 2500 men, 2 M-48A5, 7 M-113, 11 105mm How, 3 155mm How, 4 T-55, 5 BTR-70 Rodeo NM

196th Mechanized Brigade: 3800 men, 29 M-1A1, 92 M-113, 16 M-2, 16 M-109, 9 M-901 EL Paso TX


Enjoy

I need to update this with Airforce and maybe some navy units

positive thoughts are welcome.

[Dog 6]

a big bump