Conversion Guide?

[Bullet Magnet]

Does anyone know if some official (or unofficial even) T2K conversion guide exists? I've been trying to find one for a while now. I'm basically a 1st edition guy, but I have a couple 2nd edition books, just not the actual rulebook. Also, just about every site I've seen for T2K appears to be done for v2/2.2, especially the ones I've found to have the most to offer.

So, is there some kind of conversion guide out there? Thanks for any help any of you can give in this.

[Legbreaker]

Not that I'm aware of anyway.
Skills are fairly easy though with V1 being the 1-100 range and V2 1-10.
Tasks should also be fairly straight forward too.

As for vehicle damage, well, that gets a bit more complicated with 2.x really dumbing things down compared to V1.

[Bullet Magnet]

Originally Posted by Legbreaker

As for vehicle damage, well, that gets a bit more complicated with 2.x really dumbing things down compared to V1.

Yeah, it's mainly weapons and vehicles that I'm having troubles with. Like I said, most of the sites I've found with new gear and vehicles, are done for 2nd or 2.2 edition.

[Arrissen]

Ahh yes, I'm new here but I know a bit about this sort thing. May I suggest that perhaps the rule system your using simply isn't comprehensive enough and you need to just chuck it altogether and start over. Just a thought. From my POV the Twilight 2000 story is strong, but the rules are weak. If I were you I would talk with Targan - maybe he can set you on the right path - towards a more realistic and much more gritty T2000 experience. I know, I've played more PC's in his campaign than anyone.

[Legbreaker]

If you're after realism you could of course go with something really comprehensive such as Leading Edge's PCCS - tests the best mathematicians though....

T2K, any rule set, is adequate for gaming purposes though. It may not be perfect, but it's playable and gives decent results without bogging down in rules, tables, etc.

Good to see another Australian on the boards too Arrisen!

[TiggerCCW UK]

Originally Posted by Arrissen

Ahh yes, I'm new here but I know a bit about this sort thing. May I suggest that perhaps the rule system your using simply isn't comprehensive enough and you need to just chuck it altogether and start over. Just a thought. From my POV the Twilight 2000 story is strong, but the rules are weak. If I were you I would talk with Targan - maybe he can set you on the right path - towards a more realistic and much more gritty T2000 experience. I know, I've played more PC's in his campaign than anyone.

Oh Lord, another Gunmaster zealot :-) Welcome aboard Arrissen :-)

[Arrissen]

Thanks Tigger, its good to be here. Gunmaster is what I know is all. I started playing Twilight 2000 back in 1987 and that's how I met Targan. We did use the original rules for a few years but by the early 90's and after playing alot of Harnmaster and seeing how much more detailed and I don't know - I want to say sophisticated - that system was there was no going back! Bill Gant made it possible with his conversion and then we somehow made it all fit for Twilight.

I never even saw what v.2 was like so I can't comment on that. V.1 was weird in some ways you know? Like you could get a sucking chest wound and as long as it was only the one bullet and your character was really tough, you could just keep on truckin! The way we played it was that if the hypovolaemic shock and/ or tension pneumothorax didn't kill you in short order (regardless of just how damn tough you were), then you still might die from infection. In fact one of my characters did! A loud mouth cavalry scout called Texas got a golden staf. infection after being shot in the thigh and died a slow death, thanks to our realistic rule system and Major Po's medical treatment. Good times

[Bullet Magnet]

Well, it's not the rules system so much, beyond trying to convert weapon and vehicle stats from 2.2 back to 1st edition, while not actually having the 2.2 rulebook. It effectively makes it guesswork.

However, I have added a few house rules from other games to fill out a few things, and I made up my own "Destruction of a body part" rule, based on the damage rules from 1st edition.

From Legbreaker: "If you're after realism you could of course go with something really comprehensive such as Leading Edge's PCCS - tests the best mathematicians though."
Well, Lord knows 1st edition T2K barely used any math in character creation. (I now pause for your hysterical laughter)
Seriously now, I've never heard of this PCCS before. If I could get a chance to take a look at it, I'd give it consideration at least. It might be a good thing, if nothing else it would keep me in practice with my math. I was good at it in school, but as so many school kids love to gripe "I'll never use this in the real world", and for once, they were right.

I don't recall hearing of Gunmaster either, but from the little I've read in a post here, it does sound like a delightfully brutal combat system comes with it. Especially the part about post-combat infections. That sounds like great fun for a GM in a sadistic mood.

I gotta say, even if I'm not getting the answer I wanted, I am glad I started this thread. I haven't found the conversion guide I asked for, but I did learn of two gaming systems I never knew about before. Thanks to you who have replied, and to those who will reply later on.

[Legbreaker]

PCCS aka Phoenix Command, is brutal both in combat results and the amount of work required by the GM to get to those results.
Personally I've only seen the (slightly) watered down Aliens (as in the movie) book but that's deadly enough to give even munchkins nightmares. Throw in the power armour of Living Steel and watch out for the rivers of blood and pulverised flesh.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenix_Command

Leading Edge is no longer trading (folded in the late 80's I think) and the books are extremely hard to come by. With most other game systems you can probably download a torrent, but with PCCS those few who have the game are absolutely petrified of copyright laws. Used hardcopies, on the rare occasions when they are available, can sell for hundreds of dollars per book.

[Bullet Magnet]

Oh! Phoenix Command. Yeah, I have heard of that.
Thanks for the added info.

[Targan]

Originally Posted by Bullet Magnet

I don't recall hearing of Gunmaster either, but from the little I've read in a post here, it does sound like a delightfully brutal combat system comes with it. Especially the part about post-combat infections. That sounds like great fun for a GM in a sadistic mood.

If you go to the Gunmaster section of Bill Gant's House Rules at Warflail.com you can freely download the various versions of Gunmaster: http://www.warflail.com/harn/index.html

You'd need the requisite version of Harnmaster to make any use of the Gunmaster rules though. And the T2K character generation system I use with Gunmaster isn't available anywhere on the net, I'd have to send it to you personally, or arrange for it to be hosted somewhere. I also did a full conversion of Cyberpunk 2020 to Gunmaster. That was a two year labour of love.

Congratulations to Arrissen for joining the forum. He was in my Gunmaster: 2000 campaign from the very start. He had the largest number of characters in the campaign too (tended to be a bit too gung ho and get his characters killed off pretty regularly).

[leonpoi]

Originally Posted by Legbreaker

Not that I'm aware of anyway.
Skills are fairly easy though with V1 being the 1-100 range and V2 1-10.
Tasks should also be fairly straight forward too.

As for vehicle damage, well, that gets a bit more complicated with 2.x really dumbing things down compared to V1.

true enough. Should be easy to convert rules, but given that you're a v1 player, I'm sure that's not what you mean.

For weapons and vehicles I guess it gets tricky. I guess it would be easiest to pick something very close and run with it.

[Arrissen]

Bit too gung ho, huh? The dogs of war - the lot of them! Thanks for the welcome, Targan.