Conspiracy theories

[Legbreaker]

Nuclear demolition charges bringing down the twin towers....
http://www.project.nsearch.com/forum...omment%3A20031
Seriously? Is this idiot for real?

What other STUPID, but relatively obscure things have we heard over the decades? And no, I don't want the obvious ones such as the moon landing, Kennedy assassination, etc.

[raketenjagdpanzer]

My first brush with the real hardcore "what THEY DON'T WANT YOU TO KNOW" type stuff was when alt.conspiracy was added as a newsgroup to my local dial-in ISP.

I read about how the Soviets had planted nuclear torpedos in the locks and flood control gates of various rivers and reservoirs. Another good one was that the Challenger astronauts were alive and well after they hit the water and survived well after the impact, NASA just didn't go get them because they were too busy destroying evidence of fault after the booster rocket disaster. I heard all this back in 1990 or so...

What else...

oh, another fun one I heard not that long ago was that the first Atom Bomb did not, in fact, work, and it was a work of precision demolition combined with a single massive bomb going off over the city. Basically that somehow the US managed to replicate the Texas City explosion by sneaking barges of ANFO up the various estuaries into place at both Hiroshima and Nagasaki - it was only well after the war that we got a "working formula" (yeah, insane).

As the son of a Freemason and a deMolay member the number of conspiracy theories about guys who can't agree on what house rules to use in a game of Rook or Pinochle are endless.

[95th Rifleman]

I remember watching a documentary that put forward the theory that an American sub sank the Kurks with a torpedo by mistake and both sides initiated a cover-up to prevent WW3 (russia let the submariners die so no survivors could testify apparently).

[mikeo80]

Let's not forget one of the most pervasive conspiracy theories of the late 20th century!!

Roswell, NN!!

Little green guys and all......

My $0.02

Mike

[Tegyrius]

Originally Posted by 95th Rifleman

I remember watching a documentary that put forward the theory that an American sub sank the Kurks with a torpedo by mistake and both sides initiated a cover-up to prevent WW3 (russia let the submariners die so no survivors could testify apparently).

That ties in nicely with the story that we sank K-129 and the Soviets later sank USS Scorpion in retaliation.

K-129 has a great conspiracy theory of her own, too, which Red Star Rogue addresses in full and wacky detail.

- C.

[StainlessSteelCynic]

So you haven't heard the one from David Icke that the British royal family are actually flesh-eating lizard aliens from Alpha Draconis and they are here to help their lizard comrades re-establish the slave base they had on Earth millennia ago?
Apparently humans were bred as slaves for them and movies like ET The Extra Terrestrial and Jurassic Park were specifically made to ease us all into accepting our lizard overlords when they return.
He claims they found the skull of one of the lizard overlords in the Antartic and even had a picture... well, the picture was of the hole in the ice that it had "apparently" been found in (convincingly lizard skull shaped and without a single manmade object next to it to compare the size & depth)
Various nations are conspiring to cover all this up and prepare us for out 'true' masters.

Or how about the one that claimed Russian police had to use a flamethrower to clean out some "thing" that was draining all the blood from people who rode a certain elevator in a conveniently un-named Russian apartment block? The Russian police officer in charge took a police sergeant with him to investigate and they rode the elevator only to hear strange noises above them, then the power went out and the sergeant shone his flashlight up and collapsed with fright due to his phobia of spiders.
Allegedly a massively gigantic spider was living in the elevator shaft and killing anyone who rode that elevator. The police officer escaped and supposedly had a flamethrower brought in from the army to 'cleanse' the elevator shaft.
Allegedly, the Russian police, the apartment owners and the government conspired to hide all this from the public so that the real estate prices for apartments wouldn't drop.

[natehale1971]

Originally Posted by StainlessSteelCynic

Or how about the one that claimed Russian police had to use a flamethrower to clean out some "thing" that was draining all the blood from people who rode a certain elevator in a conveniently un-named Russian apartment block? The Russian police officer in charge took a police sergeant with him to investigate and they rode the elevator only to hear strange noises above them, then the power went out and the sergeant shone his flashlight up and collapsed with fright due to his phobia of spiders.
Allegedly a massively gigantic spider was living in the elevator shaft and killing anyone who rode that elevator. The police officer escaped and supposedly had a flamethrower brought in from the army to 'cleanse' the elevator shaft.
Allegedly, the Russian police, the apartment owners and the government conspired to hide all this from the public so that the real estate prices for apartments wouldn't drop.

You know.. this reminds me of one of those horror shows of the late-1980s/early-1990s. Two young men are going to an old aparemtent building that they had inherited and while riding the elevator a giant spider eats them...

[Targan]

Heck, I'm living in a country rich with conspiracy theories. "A baby ate my dingo!", anyone?

[raketenjagdpanzer]

Yeah; I've heard the K129 was on its way to nuke Hawaii (sometimes the theory is that they were trying to trigger a war between the US and China) and got sunk so we "gave up" the Scorpion.

My favorite Kursk conspiracy theory is that an LA class rammed her, sank her, and snuck off. Of course this all ignores the fact that an LA class is, compared to a double-hulled boomer like the Kursk, as thin and flimsy as a beercan and would itself have been destroyed in the process (point this out to the Russian conspiracy theorists and they usually come back with "US captain knew just right where to hit big Kursk to do most damage" or "Little tap yes but disturbed SKVALL torpedo launch to cause big explosion").

[Raellus]

Originally Posted by Targan

Heck, I'm living in a country rich with conspiracy theories. "A baby ate my dingo!", anyone?

That was just mean. Poor Meryl Streep.

[pmulcahy11b]

Here's one for the Southwest US: just Google "Chupacabra."

[Adm.Lee]

Originally Posted by Legbreaker

Nuclear demolition charges bringing down the twin towers....
http://www.project.nsearch.com/forum...omment%3A20031
Seriously? Is this idiot for real?

Even better. I heard about him while reading an article about something else entirely. If it's the same guy, he's been taken seriously by some journalists for a paper on the coming shortage of lithium. Lithium is terribly useful in making batteries for cars and cellphones and laptops, and there's a lot of it in South America. Its also really easy to process, and using it in batteries doesn't consume it, like oil, so there really can't be a shortage.

[95th Rifleman]

In the UK we have a paper called the Daily mail.

It's about the great Polish, Islamic conspiracy to dominate the world in concert with the Homosexuals who peddle their plot via the liberals who intend to destroy civilisation as we know it (they also killed Diana).

[Graebarde]

Originally Posted by pmulcahy11b

Here's one for the Southwest US: just Google "Chupacabra."

Hey that's not conspiracy.. that's a monster in the dark just waiting to get your ass.. LOL

[dragoon500ly]

Dick Cheney was an Illuminati master and Bush was his puppet?

Don't forget that the earth really is flat and you've been lied to all these years.

And last but not least, nobody ever really landed on the moon. Its been a giant NASA conspiracy...

[Panther Al]

Originally Posted by Adm.Lee

Even better. I heard about him while reading an article about something else entirely. If it's the same guy, he's been taken seriously by some journalists for a paper on the coming shortage of lithium. Lithium is terribly useful in making batteries for cars and cellphones and laptops, and there's a lot of it in South America. Its also really easy to process, and using it in batteries doesn't consume it, like oil, so there really can't be a shortage.

All I can say after reading that is... Wow. Just wow. How in the he'll can anyone buy that Nuthouse theory? Nukes, even if they was underground, would take down a lot more than the WTC towers at 150kt. This one beats cruise missiles launched from a piper cub by a country mile.

[Legbreaker]

Originally Posted by dragoon500ly

And last but not least, nobody ever really landed on the moon. Its been a giant NASA conspiracy...

See post No 1....

[Legbreaker]

Knowing what I do about explosives, I'd have to say ANYTHING can be demolished with conventional charges, provided they're properly located and there's enough of them laid. Any building will fall if you take out the bottom floor, even a building as tall as the twin towers were.
It's not going to be a quick job setting them up, but it most certainly can be done.

Nuclear demolition charges in my mind exist simply to make the job a lot faster and probably messier too. There'd be no chance of a carefully planned implosion as we've all seen dozens of times on TV. They're only suitable for military purposes and there's absolutely NO WAY they can possibly have a civilian application - unless your aim is to create a glowing crater in the middle of a city...

[dragoon500ly]

Originally Posted by Legbreaker

See post No 1....

I'm bad, didn't have my three cups of coffee when I posted.

[Legbreaker]

Originally Posted by dragoon500ly

I'm bad, didn't have my three cups of coffee when I posted.

You're excused, this time...

[headquarters]

Well, I guess it had to slip out - but not only is there a nazi supersub base ( subs that travel 300 km/h -submerged) in the Antarctic, but the whole backside of the moon is actually a Nazi UFO base perparing for the EndKampf - the final fight to bring back the Reich etc etc

I attach the evidence to silence any discussion about the truth of the matter

http://www.beyondweird.com/ufos/bran...ntarctica.html

and

for good measure

http://www.beyondweird.com/

as well as

http://www.ironsky.net/site/

that ought to do it.

[headquarters]

Originally Posted by dragoon500ly

I'm bad, didn't have my three cups of coffee when I posted.

I just noticed your signature. LOL.

[pmulcahy11b]

About the moon landings: A former NASA official recently said on the Smithsonian channel on a program about the subject, "Now that we haven't gone to the moon in so long, conspiracy theories are much more fun for many people than believing in the actual events," or something like that.

[pmulcahy11b]

I just noticed your sig line too, Dragoon. LOL.

We had one in the Army: Join the Army! Travel to far lands, meet exotic people -- and kill them.

[Matt Wiser]

Normally, I don't weigh in on conspiracy theories, but as a gent with a BA and MA in History, here's my two cents:

1) There isn't a major historical event that doesn't have a conspiracy theory attached. There were the "Merchants of Death" conspiracy theories in the '20s and '30s to explain the U.S. getting into WW I, and when that didn't go, many of them jumped on the Pearl Harbor conspiracy, along with the FDR-haters and die-hard isolationists, for example. JFK we know, and there's also conspiracy theories about the lunar landing, the Challenger shuttle accident (Jesse Helms claimed for a while the KGB sabotaged the Shuttle-on the fact that there wasn't a Soviet spy trawler off the Cape as usual), Y2K, and so on. If there weren't 9-11 conspiracy theories, I'd be surprised.

2) For those who peddle these theories, it can take the form of a religion. Any evidence that contradicts it, debunks it, or raises any doubt at all about their theory is dismissed, or even twisted to fit the conspiracy theory. The 9-11 theorists are prime examples, refusing to acknowledge holes in their theories, especially after Popular Mechanics published first an article, then a book, taking the key 9-11 claims and debunking them one by one.

3) A lot of it is denial: Pearl Harbor and 9-11 are also examples. Denial that (a) the Japanese of all people could strike over 3000 miles from home and catch the U.S. Navy napping-someone had to either know or have helped them. And denial that (b) 19 guys who had only box cutters were able to hijack four airliners and crash three of them into targets and no one was wise to them? Someone had to have given them help. The myth of the all-powerful "government" comes into play here: an example of this is on 9-11: many conspiracy theorists ask "if we had fighters on alert, why didn't they take action?" Well, when there were only 14 fighters on duty nationwide on 9-11 for air defense, unlike the Cold War days, when there were hundreds (which is the image many of these folks have), well, you get the idea.

4) Some of it is political: many Pearl Harbor conspiracy theorists were Roosevelt-haters (either writers or a few serving naval officers), while many of the 9-11 theorists refused to acknowledge that George W. Bush was a legitimate President. And it becomes another key to the religion....

Personally, the paper these "theories" are written on is only good in one place: the toilet. And the bandwith that their sites take up is wasted space. But that's just me.

[Webstral]

Originally Posted by pmulcahy11b

Here's one for the Southwest US: just Google "Chupacabra."

I've already earmarked that one for the most bloodthirsty Mexican raiders of Sonora Army. I know the Chupacabra urban legend only gets started around 1995, so having a unit take the name is a bit of a stretch. I like it, though, so I'm sticking with it.

[95th Rifleman]

Scientology

http://browse.deviantart.com/?qh=&se...chaos#/d3lckf2

nuff said

[dragoon500ly]

The new tag line is supposed to be a comment that a German General made during his post-WWII questioning. And the joy of it is, its all true!



One of the Pearl Harbor myths that always get me is the one that has the Japanese not doing the bombing, it was actually the RAF, operating from a near by island.

That WWII was all contrived by Stalin, part of his master plan to dominate the war.

That Hitler was smuggled out of Berlin by OSS agents at the end of the war, in return for intelligence on the Soviets.

That the USN Academy football team are genetically enhanced, SO THAT explains their winning streak!