OTish - the current situation on the board

[Olefin]

For the record - nothing I have done here was, in any way, a planned or intentional malicious act. There has been no attempt at manipulation by me in any way, except for stating my opinion and my ideas as everyone else does, to stimulate conversation and present a viewpoint that may not match everyone else's.

Webstral - if this is a gentleman's club, then gentlemen dont publicly call out other members or accuse them of malice of forethought. If there is a culture of civility, then frankly publicly trying to hang one member without any proof of any wrong doing is not an act I have ever heard deemed civil. And the act of smearing excrement that you said before made the board a lesser place being repeated again on a member trying to have honest conversation and express his viewpoint is hardly going to reflect well on the board the second time it happens.

As for what provoked this situation - I posted a thread about timeline errors in HW that directly contradict the timeline in another canon module. What did I say - that the March 2001 date as applied to four US divisions in HW was incorrect as it applied to the timeline in the previously released Ozarks module and that it would work fine if the date was moved to say June 2001.

Not that the events never happened - but that they happened later than in the module so they would fit with the events of Ozark. I.e. at most something along the lines of updating the April 1 numbers to have them bigger but then say by June 1 the events of fighting with New America in the Ozarks have reduced the 85th Division, etc.. to the numbers given in HW for April 1 for those divisions specifically.

And why did I put them up - because Legbreaker asked me directly on a post what I disagreed with specifically about HW and I stated it directly as an answer politely and without rancor.

As simple as that.

As for being some planned act to try to disrupt the board - I was re-reading Ozarks and HW that morning in order to respond to what James had posted and noticed the discrepancy in the timeline and figured it would make a good post.

No manipulation, no act of disruption - just pointing out an error in HW as I was asked to do so by a board member and an easy fix to correct it that I thought made sense and that could have been responded to or not.

There is no directive that says that canon cannot be questioned or cannot be called into account as part of being a member here. Threads, if they are deemed as going too far, can be locked or offending posts removed if they break the rules of the board. Moderators can notify people politely about such posts and they can be modified or removed easily.

I said I am not here to win friends. That doesnt mean I came here to make enemies in any way. And if I do make friends, which I have done, then so much the better.

It means that I will defend, as politely as possible, what I post and answer criticism instead of meekly bowing down to anyone who doesnt like what I say in an attempt to fit in.

Clearly an agenda does exist here on the board but its not mine. My only agenda is to discuss a game that I love in order to have even more fun with it and hopefully find new things about it and may even post some things that others can use in the process.

Thats what a discussion board is supposed to be about. And yes I have made mistakes both here and on older boards I was on in the past. But as opposed to others I can move on from the past and learn not to repeat the same mistakes.

As such I take full ownership of what I have said here without any rationalization beyond that of trying to stimulate discussion on a discussion board/forum. If I offended anyone with what I said it was not intentional in any way and for that I apologize profusely. If there are cultural differences between myself and other members that made what I said seem to be insulting when it was honestly never meant to be, then I will do my best to address that in the future.

What I have posted was not done maliciously or with any plan of any sort. Accusing me of such publicly is not civil behavior nor is it gentlemanly no matter how long a member has been on a board, whether they are a founder or joined a day ago.

Quashing the voice of a member who is honestly trying to stimulate debate and conversations, and doing so while answering the questions of another member in the process as politely as he can, is not a cultured act or that of gentlemen of any type or nationality.

[kalos72]

The problem is, some of this issues/topics are not debatable.

You can't debate with me that the 1st Cav landed in NYC...because in my campaign they did. Simple.

If I ask for opinions on that topic that's one thing but generally...its my own timeline. The difference is that most people put up their own work to share with the population not to get approval or have it reviewed and critiqued.

There is just way too much variation to the way different people write their story lines to use any one timeline/canon as a baseline to test against.

IE Nothing you post is wrong,its yours. We just need to accept or ignore it as we choice personally, privately.

[Olefin]

Agreed.

First Cav in NYC - now thats how you take back NY!

[TrailerParkJawa]

Hi Everyone,

Its been a few years at least since Ive visited the board. Looking at the threads I can sense tension. Its a little odd to see since I remember everyone sharing their ideas about t2k pretty peacefully.

I dont have any solutions other than to say what I really like about the board is discussing things that dont seem realistic or what would or wouldnt be important in a T2K world. As long as we all rememeber its a game and choices have to be made to make the game fun.

TPJ

[Raellus]

Long time, no see, TPJ. We've missed you. Sorry you've walked into such a mess. We are dealing with it now.

[Graebarde]

I've been a member on this board since it was created I think, after the other board folded, and was there for many moon before. I have been an avid Twilighter way before it became synonymous with vampires, which I might add I am NOT a fan of.

I am one that has said more than once "I'm done with this crap", but I come back, mostly to see what new ideas are bouncing around, only to find some of the 'same old crap', spewing I might add from the same mouths as before.

I was one of those that felt DC Groups were treated very poorly, but that is water under the bridge. It's said it's not canon-v-noncanon. Unless you are asking a canon directed question specifically, ANY idea is non canon, but THAT is what flows this board IMO. IF I want canon, I read the books, of which I have all but about three (which I loaned out years ago and never got back and can't even recall WHO I loaned them to.. age does that to you)

Civility is the key. IF you don't like it, there is no need to harp on it. Yes, it DOES drive people away. Nit picking is what kids do for attention, the WRONG kind of attention. I fully agree with Web..

I truely enjoy the information people put out. I might NOT agree with it all, but it is their idea and opinion, and I will strive to only give constructive criticism. As an 'old fart' I do have 'some' experiences in the Real World that can enhace ideas??

95th, I would really like to see you take on the REAL cold war battle scenario cira 1980s. (my era)

NOW can we get to talking about the Twilight Wars?

[StainlessSteelCynic]

From my viewpoint, this hasn't been about the information that is being presented (by old members or new).
It's been about HOW that information was presented (and by that I mean the tone it was presented in).

[Jason Weiser]

Originally Posted by Graebarde

I've been a member on this board since it was created I think, after the other board folded, and was there for many moon before. I have been an avid Twilighter way before it became synonymous with vampires, which I might add I am NOT a fan of.

Ya know Grae, I've been thinking the same thing...and really...

Picks up used K-Pot, dons worn LBE

I say it's time we took back the honored name of Twilight from those fangeeks and emo twits. I say we hunt down those baseball playing bloodsuckers and kill them deader than Rasputin! Hell, if Wesley Snipes can do it, we sure as hell can!

Taps magazine on K-Pot to seat rounds then shoves magazine into the well of his weapon, and thumbs the bolt release, making a satisfying CHA-CHUNK as it chambers a round and the sound puts a smile on my face.

Dibs on the HMMWV .50 Cal! Web brew us some hooch! Grae, you're driving! And somebody get us a LAV! I let you all figure out who's crewing. They wanna see Twilight...we'll show 'em Twilight!

(This comedy break brought to you solely by a Twilight 2000 fan who wants his shorthand name back).

[Webstral]

Originally Posted by Jason Weiser

Dibs on the HMMWV .50 Cal!

I would love to see what a .50 cal round through the thoracic cavity would do to a vampire. Then a few more in case he was inclined to get back up and capable of doing so. What about in the head? The brain is still the CPU, right? Break the computer and surely the undead die.

P.S. Not at all convinced you want to leave me in charge of the moonshine. It'll get brewed just fine...

[Webstral]

Originally Posted by Graebarde

I've been a member on this board since it was created I think, after the other board folded, and was there for many moon before.

Grae, I've been wondering where you got yourself off too. You predate me on the previous Board, and that's saying something.

Ah, if only I had the time to write like I did before kids! I miss having the luxury of spending an entire Saturday writing "The Storm in Germany". Those were the days! I think regularly about finishing that piece--at least through the lull in hostilities resulting from NATO reaching the borders of the DDR. I dream about finishing the Sino-Soviet War up through October 1996. I dream about getting Thunder Empire finished through 01 APR 01, along with Poseidon's Rifles and Silver Shogunate. If I could find a few more hours, I could finish the rest of my guide to northern New England and maybe get started on the San Francisco Bay. Of course, if wishes were horses beggars would ride.

[Legbreaker]

Originally Posted by Olefin

And why did I put them up - because Legbreaker asked me directly on a post what I disagreed with specifically about HW and I stated it directly as an answer politely and without rancor.

I said I had nothing further to say, but I'm sorry, I simply can't remain silent on this one.
I have spent the past 45 minutes intensively searching every post I have made in the last two weeks. Not once have I asked Olefin to list what what he disagreed with. The above statement is a blatant lie.
The question he may be thinking of is my single question in the Howling Wilderness thread after he started listing his issues.

Originally Posted by Legbreaker

Ok, lets turn this on it's head for something different.
What do you see is right?

I STRONGLY object to my name being used to justify another's poor judgement and offensive actions.

If somebody can show where I have in fact made such a request, I will happily withdraw my comments and offer public apology to this forum.

[Tegyrius]

Originally Posted by Jason Weiser

I say it's time we took back the honored name of Twilight from those fangeeks and emo twits. I say we hunt down those baseball playing bloodsuckers and kill them deader than Rasputin! Hell, if Wesley Snipes can do it, we sure as hell can!

I've said it before and I'll say it again: vampires should sparkle only after you apply the white phosphorus.

- C.

[95th Rifleman]

Originally Posted by Tegyrius

I've said it before and I'll say it again: vampires should sparkle only after you apply the white phosphorus.

- C.

I love the smell of burning vamp in the morning....

[mikeo80]

Originally Posted by Webstral

I would love to see what a .50 cal round through the thoracic cavity would do to a vampire. Then a few more in case he was inclined to get back up and capable of doing so. What about in the head? The brain is still the CPU, right? Break the computer and surely the undead die.

P.S. Not at all convinced you want to leave me in charge of the moonshine. It'll get brewed just fine...

I do not remember the name of the game I played, but it did have Vampires. My character was a vampire hunter. My lead weapon was a .460 Wembly....

I played anti vamp like this, Newton's Laws of Motion. Yes I could shoot a vamp in the head/chest/wherever. Vamp still was MOVED by the force of the 460 hitting him/her/it. BUT...I had to follow up with the traditional wooden stake through the heart. SO...modern weapons were my lead in...traditional weapons, (cross, garlic, stake) were the follow up.

It would be interesting to see a small Special OPs group put into Romania...their mission, destroy Polesti oil fields/refineries....

Yeah, the GPS/nav system/map reader fubar'ed....

They are now in TRANSYLVANIA.....

And all of the rucus of WWIII woke Vlad Dragul up...

And he is PISSED>>>>>

THat could be a fun night of T2K vs Vlad the Impaler!!!

My $0.02

Mike

[Rainbow Six]

Originally Posted by mikeo80

It would be interesting to see a small Special OPs group put into Romania...their mission, destroy Polesti oil fields/refineries....

Yeah, the GPS/nav system/map reader fubar'ed....

They are now in TRANSYLVANIA.....

And all of the rucus of WWIII woke Vlad Dragul up...

And he is PISSED>>>>>

THat could be a fun night of T2K vs Vlad the Impaler!!!

My $0.02

Mike

I'm sure there's a few ex 2000AD readers on the board - anyone remember a strip called Fiends of the Eastern Front that ran in the early 1980's? Same idea but set in WW2 - the protagonist was a German soldier hunting down a group of Romanian soldiers who were actually vampires. I thought it was brilliant (and genuinely quite scary - I would have been about ten at the time!)

[Olefin]

Read an excellent World War Z story about a bunch of vampires fighting zombies in an Asian country during that war - will see if I can find it. Sounds like a perfect Twilight Nightmares kind of encounter.

[James Langham]

Originally Posted by Rainbow Six

I'm sure there's a few ex 2000AD readers on the board - anyone remember a strip called Fiends of the Eastern Front that ran in the early 1980's? Same idea but set in WW2 - the protagonist was a German soldier hunting down a group of Romanian soldiers who were actually vampires. I thought it was brilliant (and genuinely quite scary - I would have been about ten at the time!)

It was also written up as a novel trilogy.

Also try "The Keep" by F Paul Wilson for WW2 and "Twelve" by Jasper Kent for Napoleonic vampires.

In conventional T2K a castle, a plague of rats, a pet wolf, superstitious villagers, etc could make the players (and villagers) THINK the marauder chief is a vampire (especially if he survived a wound using a hidden flak jacket) - he might even believe it himself.

[Olefin]

To continue the vampire motif - did anyone ever see (I think it was either the revival of The Outer Limits or the New Twilight Zone) episode where after a nuclear war a vampire is trying to lure the surviving duty crew after they launched their nukes out of their bunker and is sitting there entering random codes into the lock, saying how he has eternity to get the code right?

Scary stuff

[weswood]

Originally Posted by Olefin

Read an excellent World War Z story about a bunch of vampires fighting zombies in an Asian country during that war - will see if I can find it. Sounds like a perfect Twilight Nightmares kind of encounter.

There's a movie supposed to be coming out soon about Abraham Licoln, Zombie Hunter. I think it may be straight to DVD, looks really low budget.

[kato13]

Originally Posted by weswood

There's a movie supposed to be coming out soon about Abraham Licoln, Zombie Hunter. I think it may be straight to DVD, looks really low budget.

I think you are confusing the title a bit it is

Abraham Lincoln, Vampire Hunter

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1611224/combined

It is a bigger film than you would expect
3D
70 million dollar budget
release date in over 20 countries.

[Panther Al]

Originally Posted by Olefin

To continue the vampire motif - did anyone ever see (I think it was either the revival of The Outer Limits or the New Twilight Zone) episode where after a nuclear war a vampire is trying to lure the surviving duty crew after they launched their nukes out of their bunker and is sitting there entering random codes into the lock, saying how he has eternity to get the code right?

Scary stuff

Think it was the Twilight Zone redo. So, yeah, I do recall seeing it.

[Panther Al]

Originally Posted by mikeo80

I do not remember the name of the game I played, but it did have Vampires. My character was a vampire hunter. My lead weapon was a .460 Wembly....

I played anti vamp like this, Newton's Laws of Motion. Yes I could shoot a vamp in the head/chest/wherever. Vamp still was MOVED by the force of the 460 hitting him/her/it. BUT...I had to follow up with the traditional wooden stake through the heart. SO...modern weapons were my lead in...traditional weapons, (cross, garlic, stake) were the follow up.

It would be interesting to see a small Special OPs group put into Romania...their mission, destroy Polesti oil fields/refineries....

Yeah, the GPS/nav system/map reader fubar'ed....

They are now in TRANSYLVANIA.....

And all of the rucus of WWIII woke Vlad Dragul up...

And he is PISSED>>>>>

THat could be a fun night of T2K vs Vlad the Impaler!!!

My $0.02

Mike

David Weber - of Honorverse Fame - did a one off novel a year or so ago, that had something like this as its premise: though there was hints, it was never said what the "Romanian Freedom/Guerrilla Fighter" was until the end.


Not his best stuff, but worth a read none the less - 'Out of the Dark'

[Jason Weiser]

TV Tropes says it all:

Not be confused with Twilight, with which it probably doesn't have a large crossover demographic. Though a crossover fic between the two would be hilarious, confusing the two is one of the Things Mr. Welch Is No Longer Allowed to Do in an RPG.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.ph...n.Twilight2000

[RN7]

Originally Posted by Rainbow Six

I'm sure there's a few ex 2000AD readers on the board - anyone remember a strip called Fiends of the Eastern Front that ran in the early 1980's? Same idea but set in WW2 - the protagonist was a German soldier hunting down a group of Romanian soldiers who were actually vampires. I thought it was brilliant (and genuinely quite scary - I would have been about ten at the time!)

I remember Fiends of the Eastern Front from 2000AD, I read 2000AD from the 1970's until the 1990's. Even today l occasionaly pick up 2000AD and flick through it in newspaper shops. I believe they recently rehashed that story, this time the vampires were concentration camp guards.

Some great characters from 2000AD; Judge Dredd, Johhny Alpha from Strontium Dog, Bill Savage from Invasion, Slaine, the ABC Warriors, Rogue Trooper, Nemesis etc and some of the later stuff like Develin Waugh and Nikolai Dante. Still a big fan!