Foreign military vehicles to add to US units for variety

[Cpl. Kalkwarf]

Originally Posted by pmulcahy11b

Well, it wouldn't be the first time that Jane's has disappointed me...

I have as of late started to wonder about Janes at times. Some of their later publications have had some glaring errors in pics not matching title, etc. My guess is they need some one to do a better job of editing or fact checking..

[StainlessSteelCynic]

Jane's themselves acknowledged that some of their information was not up to spec. Later editions of the yearbooks add the word "verified" for entries that they consider have been checked.

[Adm.Lee]

A little on buried tanks... http://www.armchairgeneral.com/panze...-in-norway.htm

I wish we'd known about this years ago, when I was a student at OSU, one of the miniatures club's "experts"* had us attack one or another of the Norwegian airfields in a WW3 scenario at least twice. Hidden PzIIIs in the hills would have been just the kind of wrinkle we would have loved.

*Minis club experts (my definition): back then, most of us were students, with a handful of alumni. The latter were the guys who had money to buy & paint minis, so they were the sources of scenarios, referees, and so on. We had one guy who had WW2 tanks, another with WW3/Vietnam stuff, and so on for Am. Civil War, WW2 ships, WW2 planes, and Napoleonics. They worked out a schedule at the begining of every quarter; the rest of us just showed up and played, never bothered to read the rules.

[pmulcahy11b]

Originally Posted by Cpl. Kalkwarf

I have as of late started to wonder about Janes at times. Some of their later publications have had some glaring errors in pics not matching title, etc. My guess is they need some one to do a better job of editing or fact checking..

It seems Janes, like the universe, is subject to entropy.

[rcaf_777]

Another possible vehicle is TH-495 Infantry Combat Vehicle. TH-495 was a infantry combat vehicle being proposed by German-based Thyssen-Henschel for NATO countries, but it was primarily being pitched to the Canadian Forces and the then government of Brian Mulroney in the 1990s. It was planned as replacement for the Old M-113 Fleet found in many NATO nations armies

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TH-495

[Olefin]

Another vehicle from the Jane's would be for the RDF forces. The Santa Barbara BMR-600 is a wheeled APC that is in service in Saudi Arabia by their Marine forces.

Knowing the US Marines proclivity for "five finger discount" (i.e. stealing anything they can get their hands on) as shown in Europe (hey isnt that a German Leopard tank in that Marine unit that just went thru town?) they could easily have managed to get their hands on several of these vehicles to replace losses.

As usual, Twilight 2000 stats can be found for the vehicle at:

http://www.pmulcahy.com/wheeled_apcs...eeled_apcs.htm

[Brother in Arms]

I noticed earlier in the thread a picture of the loyd carrier...
the Rhodesian used up armored and heavier armed T16 universal carriers during the war there in the 1970's.

So I can see earlier vehicles scaved up with some new armor or armaments just like the Syrians are doing in there current war.

[Olefin]

If you are playing a game in Korea there are lots of ways you could introduce alternate vehicles - South Korean, Chinese, North Korean and Russian equipment could all be part of US units

Especially with any units that got all the way to the Yalu and then had to retreat under the Russian attack - they could have cutoff Chinese troops as part of their forces, still equipped with Chinese tanks, APC's or SPG's

Especially among either the USMC units (see what they have done in Europe for ideas) for the units like 25th, 41st and 45th that lost most of their equipment in the fighting. Most likely they would be re-equipped with either captured or repaired enemy equipment or South Korean equipment that they were issued once they got back to US lines - i.e. older second line equipment

For instance in 1996 South Korea still had 400 or more M47 tanks and several hundred old M48A3 tanks in reserve storage - some of those tanks could be issued to the American units to give them an armored component again to replace the lost LAV-75's and M60A5's of those divisions.

[Rainbow Six]

Originally Posted by Olefin

If you are playing a game in Korea there are lots of ways you could introduce alternate vehicles - South Korean, Chinese, North Korean and Russian equipment could all be part of US units

Especially with any units that got all the way to the Yalu and then had to retreat under the Russian attack - they could have cutoff Chinese troops as part of their forces, still equipped with Chinese tanks, APC's or SPG's.

Probably a bit of a long shot, but you could also add British vehicles (and troops) into that mix - the 6th UK Infantry Division briefly linked up with US forces on the Yalu around about July / August 1997 before withdrawing back to Hong Kong after the nukes started flying. It's not impossible some UK forces could have been cut off and unable to withdraw to HK with the main body of the Division so found a home with the Americans.

[Webstral]

A small amount of Aussie and Kiwi gear might be present in Korea, too.

[Olefin]

How about a real wild card and have an American unit either encounter or capture a FV 4101 Charioteer tank destroyer from the Finns? They still had 38 of them in usable storage until 2007 in the real world.

You could easily see them being pulled out of storage and put into the line. Definitely would be something unique for them to come up against. And while a M1 would make easy meat of it I would hate to be in a Bradley or LAV25 and run into one of them and its 84mm anti-tank gun.

Could also see them in the hands of marauders in Finland or Norway as well for players who have campaigns in those areas

[Olefin]

How about the Daimler Dingo/Ford Lynx as a vehicle for your group to encounter? There are a ton of them that even today in 2014 are still being operated by private collectors. They made such great recon vehicles that they werent replaced in the British Army till well into the 1950's. And they would be perfect vehicles for someone like New America, a marauder group or one of the breakaway armies/marauder groups in the UK to be operating.

Not sure if Paul ever worked up stats for it but running into one would be a real possibility in the UK, Canada or the US given how many were in collectors hands.

[raketenjagdpanzer]

Even before the cold war ended it seems like every other medium-sized town had a Cadillac-Gage V100 or V150; the "RV" the LAPD uses in Die Hard is an M3/M5 Scout car (making the ATGM the bad guys used on it - on its top deck no less! - entirely overkill).

[jester]

Something else to consider.

The assorted vehicles in stores at the various depots in the US.

Remember, a lot of these depots service vehicles from other nations as well.

And then there is storage. The DRMO process is long and slow. For game play, we could probably toss in some old M3 Halftracks being found.

And if one can get a depot, you have the ability with machineshops, tools, spares, schematics and most likely local talent (since most towns in the vicinity have a large portion of their people working there) to build any form of vehicle that that place would of serviced.

[rcaf_777]

Something eles to ponder

Would European Defence companies relocate certian plants to the US or Canada, so they could manufacture items away front line atttacks and bombing, if so you might see european vehciles around ports, and rail hubs

[jester]

The issue is getting those plants going and recruiting the talent. Starting from the ground up could take a lot of time. Even retooling and existing factory before everything goes up.

And also, the fact that talent, resources to build the factory and the materials to turn out their products would most likely go to the host country first.

[unkated]

Originally Posted by raketenjagdpanzer

Small arms would be serviceable but vehicles would be basically useless after sitting around for 65 years. Hoses, belts, gaskets and filters would have dry-rotted, bearings would have seized due to rust, etc. etc. It'd take a year of nonstop work to get a single one up and running...

This could be its own fun, with players falling on a cache of say 3 or 4 tigers or panthers... and then spend several hours of excitement trying to get them started, or find anything useful that can be done with them at all.

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