Module Revamp.....

[.45cultist]

I've been thinking of trying "Armies of the Night". For T2013, change the World Trade Center to the memorial, construction of new building and adjust for nukes. Police arms would be G19, P229.

[pmulcahy11b]

I don't think that would work (depending of course in what year your campaign starts). In the canon timeline, the World Trade Center would still be standing, I would think.

Never mind...I don't read your full post...

[.45cultist]

Originally Posted by pmulcahy11b

I don't think that would work (depending of course in what year your campaign starts). In the canon timeline, the World Trade Center would still be standing, I would think.

Never mind...I don't read your full post...

I can't throw stones on that, waay too guilty myself.

[swaghauler]

Originally Posted by .45cultist

I've been thinking of trying "Armies of the Night". For T2013, change the World Trade Center to the memorial, construction of new building and adjust for nukes. Police arms would be G19, P229.

Funny thing; I was just referencing the 1995 issue of Handguns Magazine's Annual. I kept it because it had three really good articles on training programs in it. It also has another article by Ed Sanow about the guns of the NYPD in it. In the article; As of 1994, The NYPD had the following guns authorized by unit (for those in the original timeline):

Patrol Bureau/Detectives Bureau/ESB/Harbor Patrol
G19 with the NY (8lb) trigger, 9mmP (15 shot)
S&W 5946 DAO, 9mmP (15 shot)
SIG P226 DAO, 9mmP (15 shot)
Berretta M92D DAO, 9mmP (15 shot)
S&W Model 64 .38 Special(6 shot)
Ruger Service Six .38 Special (6 shot)
Ruger GP-100 .38 Special (NYPD special order 6 shot)
Colt Detective's Special DAO .38 Special (6 shot)
Compacts (for backup/off duty/ Detectives)
S&W 640 DAO .38 Special, (5 shot, 2" barrel)
S&W Centennial .38 special (5 shot, 2" barrel)
Ruger SPNY (.38 special version of SP101, 5 shot)
(1997)Kahr K9 (8lb trigger), 9mmP (7 shot)
Transit Authority and Housing Authority police use:
Glock 19 with NYPD+ (11 lb) trigger, 9mmP (15 shot)

I know that by the 21st Century, The NYPD has authorized all of the compact 9mmP Glocks as well as the G17 and most likely several other striker fired or DAO 9mmP automatics. The .38's should be very rare by 2013.

For DAO guns, I would reduce the rate of fire from 5 to 4 per round. The long heavy trigger pulls of DAOs result in a longer "reset time" for the trigger mechanism. This is actually measurable with an electronic timer. There isn't even a half-cock notch; So one cannot even "start the hammer back" by pulling the trigger and then thumb cocking the spurless hammer for a lighter trigger pull.

Long arms of the NYPD include:

ESU & Harbor patrol:
Ithaca M37 12 gauge pump, (4+1 shot) with rifle sights and 20" barrel
Ithaca M37 with 4+1 mag, Rifle sights, and 13.5" Barrel (ESU ONLY)
Mini-14 Rifle in .223 Rem (like the M16A1 it can use M193 ball BUT NOT SS109/5.56N)
Remington 700 (M24) in .308/7.62mmN with X6 Leupold Optic (initially) and later a 3.5X by 10X Leupold MK4 (later).
MP-5A3 SMG, 9mmP (ESU only)

I have heard the NYPD now uses M4 Carbines with Optics but could find no proof of such.

The Detective's Bureau is only authorized (removed after 1997?) the
Stevens 311 double barreled 12 gauge in 12" and 18" lengths.

Hollow point ammo was authorized in 1997. This was only after several bystanders were injured in a number of shootings where the 9mmP 115 grain ball overpenetrated. This led to the adoption of the 115gr Hollow point. I have no idea what they use now (115 grn, 124 grn, or 147 grn HP)

Hope this helps you properly arm your LE.

Swag.

[.45cultist]

Originally Posted by swaghauler

Funny thing; I was just referencing the 1995 issue of Handguns Magazine's Annual. I kept it because it had three really good articles on training programs in it. It also has another article by Ed Sanow about the guns of the NYPD in it. In the article; As of 1994, The NYPD had the following guns authorized by unit (for those in the original timeline):

Patrol Bureau/Detectives Bureau/ESB/Harbor Patrol
G19 with the NY (8lb) trigger, 9mmP (15 shot)
S&W 5946 DAO, 9mmP (15 shot)
SIG P226 DAO, 9mmP (15 shot)
Berretta M92D DAO, 9mmP (15 shot)
S&W Model 64 .38 Special(6 shot)
Ruger Service Six .38 Special (6 shot)
Ruger GP-100 .38 Special (NYPD special order 6 shot)
Colt Detective's Special DAO .38 Special (6 shot)
Compacts (for backup/off duty/ Detectives)
S&W 640 DAO .38 Special, (5 shot, 2" barrel)
S&W Centennial .38 special (5 shot, 2" barrel)
Ruger SPNY (.38 special version of SP101, 5 shot)
(1997)Kahr K9 (8lb trigger), 9mmP (7 shot)
Transit Authority and Housing Authority police use:
Glock 19 with NYPD+ (11 lb) trigger, 9mmP (15 shot)

I know that by the 21st Century, The NYPD has authorized all of the compact 9mmP Glocks as well as the G17 and most likely several other striker fired or DAO 9mmP automatics. The .38's should be very rare by 2013.

For DAO guns, I would reduce the rate of fire from 5 to 4 per round. The long heavy trigger pulls of DAOs result in a longer "reset time" for the trigger mechanism. This is actually measurable with an electronic timer. There isn't even a half-cock notch; So one cannot even "start the hammer back" by pulling the trigger and then thumb cocking the spurless hammer for a lighter trigger pull.

Long arms of the NYPD include:

ESU & Harbor patrol:
Ithaca M37 12 gauge pump, (4+1 shot) with rifle sights and 20" barrel
Ithaca M37 with 4+1 mag, Rifle sights, and 13.5" Barrel (ESU ONLY)
Mini-14 Rifle in .223 Rem (like the M16A1 it can use M193 ball BUT NOT SS109/5.56N)
Remington 700 (M24) in .308/7.62mmN with X6 Leupold Optic (initially) and later a 3.5X by 10X Leupold MK4 (later).
MP-5A3 SMG, 9mmP (ESU only)

I have heard the NYPD now uses M4 Carbines with Optics but could find no proof of such.

The Detective's Bureau is only authorized (removed after 1997?) the
Stevens 311 double barreled 12 gauge in 12" and 18" lengths.

Hollow point ammo was authorized in 1997. This was only after several bystanders were injured in a number of shootings where the 9mmP 115 grain ball overpenetrated. This led to the adoption of the 115gr Hollow point. I have no idea what they use now (115 grn, 124 grn, or 147 grn HP)

Hope this helps you properly arm your LE.

Swag.

You came through there, M4's with optics sounds like an ESU thing.

[Silent Hunter UK]

I know that the S&W 5946 is still authorised for NYPD use as it's the weapon of choice for Danny Reagan in Blue Bloods.

[pmulcahy11b]

Originally Posted by Silent Hunter UK

I know that the S&W 5946 is still authorised for NYPD use as it's the weapon of choice for Danny Reagan in Blue Bloods.

TV/Movie guns are often not the same as IRL issue. None of the agents in Criminal Minds one of my favorite shows, carries FBI issue weapons -- most of their Glocks are 9mm when they should be .40 Smith & Wesson, and
Dave and Hotch carry 1911s of some type.

[rcaf_777]

Originally Posted by swaghauler

I have heard the NYPD now uses M4 Carbines with Optics but could find no proof of such.

There is a popular mechanics article on the NYPD and there CT unit, if KATO approves I can scan a copy and uploaded it on here

[kato13]

I believe pop mech has a full online archive for free, so I don't see an issue with it.

Links presented in the spirit of raising their Google profile.

http://books.google.com/books/about/...d=49gDAAAAMBAJ

http://www.popularmechanics.com/

[Olefin]

Dont forget to add in the local FBI guys as well as to guns and possibly NY state troopers brought in to help restore order when the nukes went off

[.45cultist]

This is doable! The Trade Center is the biggest change.

[rcaf_777]

from Wikipedia

Federal Government

1. United States Park Police
2. National Park Service Ranger (Law Enforcement)
3. FBI Police
4. Department of Defense Police
5. United States Marshals Service
6. United States Secret Service
7. Diplomatic Security Service
8. Federal Bureau of Investigation
9. Amtrak Police
10. United States Postal Inspection Service
11. United States Postal Police
12. Drug Enforcement Administration
13. Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives
14. Federal Air Marshal Service
15. U.S. Customs and Border Protection
16. Immigration and Customs Enforcement
17. Diplomatic Security Service
18. United States Federal Protective Service
19. US Fish and Wildlife Service
20. IRS Criminal Investigation Division
21. Veterans Affairs Police
22. Federal Reserve Police
23. U.S. Army Criminal Investigation Command
24. Naval Criminal Investigative Service

State Government

1. New York State Department of Corrections and Community Supervision
2. New York State Department of Environmental Conservation Police
3. New York State Division of Alcoholic Beverage Control
4. New York State Division of Probation and Correctional Alternatives
5. New York State Division of State Police
6. New York State DMV Division of Field Investigations
7. New York State Bridge Authority Police
8. New York State Court Officers
9. New York State Forest Rangers
10. New York State Office of Mental Health Police
11. New York State Office of Mental Retardation and Developmental Disabilities Police
12. New York State Office of Tax Enforcement
13. New York State Park Police
14. New York State Special Commission of Investigation
15. Metropolitan Transportation Authority Police
16. Port Authority of New York and New Jersey Police Department
17. New York State University Police
18. Triborough Bridge and Tunnel Authority Police
19. Waterfront Commission of New York Harbor Police
20. Roosevelt Island Department of Public Safety

City Government Agencies

1. New York City Police Department
2. New York City Sheriff's Office
3. New York City Department of Environmental Protection Police
4. New York City Department of Investigation
5. New York City Taxi and Limousine Commission Enforcement
6. New York City Department of Health and Hospitals Police
7. New York City Human Resources Administration Police Department
8. New York City Department of Homeless Services Police
9. New York City Department of Sanitation Police
10. New York City Parks Enforcement Patrol
11. City University of New York Public Safety Department
12. New York City Fire Department Fire Marshals
13. New York City Department of Correction
14. New York City Department of Probation
15. New York City Administration for Children Services Police
16. New York City Marshals

Private Police Agencies

1. Co-op City Department of Public Safety
2. Hunts Point Department of Public Safety
3. New York Racing Association Law Enforcement and Safety Division
4. Spring Creek Towers Department of Public Safety (Starrett City)
5. Snug Harbor Park Rangers
6. Sea Gate Police Department

[Ancestor]

Don't forget the following:

1. From my obsession on the other thread, NY has an active state guard.

2. Not familiar with Twilight 2013 canon but the NY National Guard is fairly robust and includes 42 ID Division Headquarters.

3. Non-state actors

4. Foreign Intelligence Services

[rcaf_777]

I left out the National Guard and State Guard as this thread was just on law enforcement, NY also has a Naval Militia too.

[.45cultist]

The old New York state militia marked M1911 command high prices, only 200 were ordered. Most of the module's ethnic partitions can stay, RW taught us that hasn't improved. There should be more gold, most of Fort Knox was transferred there years ago.