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Naval War Starting Questions
(resurrected from the archive - kato13)
************ graebardeII Naval War Starting Questions -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Last evening I started listing all USN vessels. Criteria was any vessel still in service 1989-1990, and any vessel built before 1998. This got me to thinking, which can be dangerous, because then I don't sleep well with the brain in gear. Reagan's goal was a 600-ship navy, and the US was pretty close to that when the wall came down. With the wall never coming down, there would (IMO) not be a rush to decommission many of the vessels. Therefore I propose those vessels decommissioned on/after 1989 would remain in service at least another 6 years. Most of these vessels were only 25-30 years old when they went to mothballs, were sold off, scraped, or what-ever in the 89-90 timeframe. At the very least they would be reserve fleet minimal manned IMO. If I recall, the Navy was not suffering too badly for manning in the Cold War era. graebardeII ************ Grimace Jack of all trades & sometime babbler of nonsense Hey, since you're making that list, would you mind sharing it? Pretty please! __________________ "I reject your reality and substitute my own!" -- Adam; Mythbusters Grimace ************ DeaconR I'd like to see more on joint task forces and the like. I'd like to get some idea of what the present order of battle of the fleets would be. DeaconR ************ graebardeII US Naval Vessels pt1 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Port code: PEN Pensacola FL YOK Yokosuka Japan NOR Norfolk VA MAY Mayport FL SDG San Diego CA BRM Bremerton WA EVT Everett WA LBE Long Beach CA PHB Pearl Harbor HI PAS Pascagoula MS GAE Gaeta Italy CHA Charleston SC SUB Subic Bay Philippine Islands ALM Alameda CA NPT Newport RI PHL Philadelphia PA SNF San Francisco CA BOS Boston MA SEA Seattle WA HON Honolulu HI PSM Portsmouth VA NBF New Bedford MA KEY Key West FL PNH Portsmouth NH WIL Wilmington NC PAT Patrick AFB FL PAW Port Angeles WA SPB St Petersburg FL MIA Miami Beach FL PCF Panama City FL GAL Galveston TX CMY Cape May NJ KOD Kodiak AK KET Kechikan AK LCR Little Creek VA SAS Sasebo Japan ING Ingleside TX Class/Hull NAME Svc Home Carriers CVT16 LEXINGTON 43 91 PEN CV 41 MIDWAY 45 92 YOK CV 43 CORAL SEA 47 90 NOR CV 59 FORRESTAL 55 93 PEN CV 60 SARATOGA 56 94 MAY CV 61 RANGER 57 93 SDG CV 62 INDEPENDENCE 59 00 YOK CV 63 KITTY HAWK 61 00 YOK CV 64 CONSTELLATION 61 00 SDG CVN65 ENTERPRISE 61 00 NOR CV 66 AMERICA 69 00 NOR CV 67 JOHN F. KENNEDY 68 00 MAY CVN68 NIMITZ 75 00 SDG CVN69 DWIGHT D. EISENHOWER 77 00 NOR CVN70 CARL VINSON 82 00 BRM CVN71 THEODORE ROOSEVELT 86 00 NOR CVN72 ABRAHAM LINCOLN 89 00 EVT CVN73 GEORGE WASHINGTON 90 00 NOR CVN74 JOHN C. STENNIS 95 00 SDG CVN75 HARRY S. TRUMAN 98 00 NOR Battleships BB61 IOWA 43 90 NOR BB62 NEW JERSEY 43 91 LBE BB63 MISSOURI 43 92 LBE BB64 WISCONSIN 44 91 NOR Cruisers CGN9 LONG BEACH 61 95 SDG CG 16 LEAHY 62 93 SDG CG 17 HARRY E. YARNELL 63 93 NOR CG 18 WORDEN 63 93 PHB CG 19 DALE 63 94 MAY CG 20 RICHMOND K. TURNER 64 95 PAS CG 21 GRIDLEY 63 94 SDG CG 22 ENGLAND 63 94 SDG CG 23 HALSEY 63 94 SDG CG 24 REEVES 64 93 YOK CGN25 BAINBRIDGE 62 96 NOR CG 26 BELKNAP 64 95 GAE CG 27 JOSEPHUS DANIELS 65 94 NOR CG 28 WAINWRIGHT 66 93 CHA CG 29 JOUETT 66 94 SDG CG 30 HOME 67 94 LBE CG 31 STERETT 67 94 SUB CG 32 WILLIAM H. STANDLEY 66 94 SDG CG 33 FOX 66 94 SDG CG 34 BIDDLE 67 93 NOR CGN35 TRUXTUN 67 95 SDG CGN36 CALIFORNIA 74 98 BRM CGN37 SOUTH CAROLINA 75 98 NOR CGN38 VIRGINIA 76 94 NOR CGN39 TEXAS 77 93 ALM CGN40 MISSISSIPPI 78 97 NOR CGN41 ARKANSAS 80 97 BRM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Last edited by graebardeII : 01-22-2006 at 01:45 PM. graebardeII ************ chico20854 This is an extract of my Escort Orbat, stripping out foreign and fantasy shipbuilding program ships, which includes all US Navy and Coast Guard major surface combatants in the fleet in the late 1980s, scheduled to be built in the 1990s according to 1987 plans, or still in Navy custody in 1992. I've set up a work group at: http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/t2knavalwar/ I've made posting members only to keep spammers at bay... -Chico Attached Files USN & USCG 1990s ColdWar.doc (81.5 KB, 33 views) chico20854 ************ graebardeII US Navy pt2 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Class/Hull NAME Svc Home Cruisers CG 47 TICONDEROGA 83 00 PAS CG 48 YORKTOWN 84 00 PAS CG 49 VINCENNES 85 00 YOK CG 50 VALLEY FORGE 86 00 SDG CG 51 THOMAS S. GATES 87 00 PAS CG 52 BUNKER HILL 86 00 SDG CG 53 MOBILE BAY 87 00 SDG CG 54 ANTIETAM 87 00 SDG CG 55 LEYETE GULF 87 00 NOR CG 56 SAN JACINTO 88 00 NOR CG 57 LAKE CHAMPLAIN 88 00 SDG CG 58 PHILIPPINE SEA 89 00 MAY CG 59 PRINCETON 89 00 SDG CG 60 NORMANDY 89 00 NOR CG 61 MONTEREY 90 00 NOR CG 62 CHANCELLORSVILLE 89 00 YOK CG 63 COWPENS 91 00 YOK CG 64 GETTYSBURG 91 00 MAY CG 65 CHOSIN 91 00 PHB CG 66 HUE CITY 91 00 MAY CG 67 SHILO 92 00 SDG CG 68 ANZIO 92 00 NOR CG 69 VICKSBURG 92 00 MAY CG 70 LAKE ERIE 93 00 PHB CG 71 CAPE ST. GEORGE 93 00 NOR CG 72 VELLA GULF 93 00 NOR CG 73 PORT ROYAL 94 00 PHB Destroyer DDG37 FARRAGUT 60 89 NOR DDG38 LUCE 61 91 MAY DDG39 MACDONOUGH 61 92 CHA DDG40 COONTZ 60 89 NOR DDG41 KING 60 91 NOR DDG42 MAHAN 60 93 CHA DDG43 DAHLGREN 60 92 NOR DDG44 WILLIAM B. PRATT 61 91 CHA DDG45 DEWEY 59 90 CHA DDG46 PREBLE 60 91 NOR DDG51 ARLEIGH BURKE 91 00 NOR DDG52 BARRY 92 00 NOR DDG53 JOHN PAUL JONES 93 00 SDG DDG54 CURTIS WILBUR 94 00 YOK DDG55 STOUT 94 00 NOR DDG56 JOHN S. MCCAIN 94 00 YOK DDG57 MITSCHER 94 00 NOR DDG58 LABOON 95 00 NOR DDG59 RUSSELL 95 00 PHB DDG60 PAUL HAMILTON 95 00 PHB DDG61 RAMAGE 95 00 NOR DDG62 FITZGERALD 95 00 YOK DDG63 STETHEM 95 00 SDG DDG64 CARNEY 96 00 MAY DDG65 BENFOLD 96 00 SDG DDG66 GONZALEZ 96 00 NOR DDG67 COLE 96 00 NOR DDG68 THE SULLIVANS 97 00 MAY DDG69 MILIUS 96 00 SDG DDG70 HOOPER 97 00 PHB DDG71 ROSS 97 00 NOR DDG72 MAHAN 98 00 NOR DDG73 DECATUR 98 00 SDG DDG74 MCFAUL 98 00 NOR DDG75 DONALD COOK 98 00 NOR DD963 SPRUNCE 75 00 MAY DD964 Paul F. Foster 76 00 EVT DD965 KINKAID 76 00 SDG DD966 HEWETT 76 00 YOK DD967 ELLIOT 77 00 SDG DD968 ARTHUR W. RADFORD 77 00 NOR DD969 PETERSON 77 00 NOR DD970 CARON 77 00 NOR DD971 DAVID R. RAY 77 00 EVT DD972 OLDENDORF 78 00 SDG DD973 JOHN YOUNG 78 00 SDG DD974 COMTE DE GRASSE 78 00 NOR DD975 O’BRIEN 77 00 YOK DD976 MERRILL 78 00 SDG DD977 BRISCOE 78 00 NOR DD978 STUMP 78 00 NOR DD979 CONOLLY 78 00 MAY DD980 MOOSBRUGGER 78 00 MAY DD981 JOHN HANCOCK 79 00 MAY DD982 NICHOLSON 79 00 MAY DD983 JOHN RODGERS 79 00 MAY DD984 LEFTWICH 79 00 PHB DD985 CUSHING 79 00 YOK DD986 HARRY W. HILL 79 00 SDG DD987 O’BANNON 79 00 MAY DD988 THORN 80 00 NOR DD989 DEYO 80 00 NOR DD990 INGERSOLL 80 00 PHB DD991 FIFE 80 00 EVT DD992 FLETCHER 80 00 PHB DDG993 KIDD 81 98 XXX DDG994 CALLAGHAN 81 98 EVT DDG995 SCOTT 81 98 MAY DDG996 CHANDLER 81 98 EVT DD997 HAYLER 83 00 NOR -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Last edited by graebardeII : 01-22-2006 at 09:34 AM. graebardeII ************ chico20854 Updated to break them into fleets... Now I'll have to combine/compare to Grae's... Attached Files USN & USCG 1990s ColdWar rev1.doc (47.0 KB, 27 views) chico20854 ************ graebardeII When I get home from work, I'll join the yayhooz group, and place the list to the files section there. Unfortunately we're not able to work in the groups while at work. However I do have time to get other factors done. I'll continue the lists with the frigates, then move into the other vessels as I find the information I'm seeking. The archaic 'puter at work does not cooperate on all aspects of my searching unfortunately. My source btw, to give credit where credit is due to a fine site IMO, is: http://www.globalsecurity.org/ grae graebardeII ************ graebardeII Early Commissioning -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Point of clarification on the lists I'm posting. The vessels in itallics are on the way when the war begins. I'm wondering if they couldn't have been commissioned early. War has a way of speeding up production. Most are with in less than 18 months of commissioning. grae graebardeII ************ graebardeII US Navy pt3 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Class/HULL NAME Svc Home Frigate FF1037 BRONSTEIN 63 90 SDG FF1038 MCCLOY 63 90 NOR FF1040 GARCIA 64 89 XX FF1041 BRADLEY 65 88 XX FF1043 EDWARD MCDONNELL 65 88 XX FF1044 BRUMBY 65 89 XX FF1045 DAVIDSON 65 88 XX FF1047 VOGUE 66 89 XX FF1048 SAMPLE 68 88 XX FF1049 KOELSCH 67 89 XX FF1050 ALBERT DAVID 68 89 XX FF1051 O’CALLAHAN 68 88 XX FF1052 KNOX 69 92 LBE FF1053 ROARK 69 91 SNF FF1054 GRAY 70 91 SNF FF1055 HEPBURN 69 91 SDG FF1056 CONNOLE 69 92 NPT FF1057 RATHBURN 70 92 PHB FF1058 MEYERKORD 69 91 SDG FF1059 W. S. SIMS 70 91 MAY FF1060 LANG 70 91 SFN FF1061 PATTERSON 70 91 PHL FF1062 WHIPPLE 70 92 PHB FF1063 REASONER 71 93 SDG FF1064 LOCKWOOD 70 93 LBE FF1065 STEIN 72 92 SDG FF1066 MARVIN SHIELDS 71 92 SDG FF1067 FRANCIS HAMMOND 70 92 LBE FF1068 VREELAND 70 92 NOR FF1069 BAGLEY 72 91 SDG FF1070 DOWNES 71 92 SDG FF1071 BADGER 70 91 PHB FF1072 BLAKELY 70 91 CHA FF1073 ROBERT E. PERRY 72 92 PHB FF1074 HAROLD E. HOLT 71 92 PHB FF1075 TRIPPE 70 92 NPT FF1076 FANNING 71 93 SDG FF1077 OUELLET 70 93 PHB FF1078 JOSEPH HEWES 71 94 CHA FF1079 BOWEN 71 94 NOR FF1080 PAUL 71 92 MAY FF1081 AYLWIN 71 92 NPT FF1082 ELMER MONTGOMERY 71 93 MAY FF1083 COOK 71 92 SDG FF1084 MCCANDLESS 72 94 NOR FF1085 DONALD B. BEARY 72 94 NOR FF1086 BREWTON 72 92 PHB FF1087 KIRK 72 93 LBE FF1088 BAREY 72 92 SDG FF1089 JESSE L. BROWN 73 94 CHA FF1090 AINSWORTH 73 94 NOR FF1091 MILLER 73 91 NPT FF1092 THOMAS C. HART 73 93 NOR FF1093 CAPODANNO 73 93 NPT FF1094 PHARRIS 74 92 NOR FF1095 TRUETT 74 94 NOR FF1096 VALDEZ 74 91 NPT FF1097 MOINESTER 74 94 NOR FF1098 GLOVER 65 90 BOS graebardeII ************ shrike6 Grae, Any reason you omitted the Ayatollah-class DDGs? DDG993 Kidd 81 98 XXX DDG994 Callaghan 81 98 EVT DDG995 Scott 81 98 MAY DDG996 Chandler 81 98 EVT Also have you cross checked your list with other sources alot of those Frigates you list were sold or leased to other countries in the mid 90s before the war? __________________ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Last edited by shrike6 : 01-21-2006 at 08:14 PM. shrike6 ************ graebardeII Quote:
I'm still working on the list. I think these DDG's however were over-looked, as I'm working the frigates now, but I will double check the list. Thanks for the heads up. No, I have NOT cross checked the list as yet. As for sold-leased in the mid-90s, that is the what were working at. Your info is RL based on with the wall coming down in 89-90. In the scenario we're working on (at lease what I THINK we are) is v1, where the wall stayed up. As I asked in the first post of this thread, would the US dispose of these vessels had the wall not come down, and Cold War continued? The reason they were sold-leased was the great beating of 'swords into plowshares' when 'peace broke out' and the 'walls came tumbling down'. Personally I do not think they would have if the US was to maintain their 600 ship fleet. As I said, these vessels were mostly under 30 years old and still serviceable. Granted SOME of the oldest may have been sold-leased, but that is a question we have to discuss. Grae. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Last edited by graebardeII : 01-21-2006 at 10:32 PM. graebardeII ************ shrike6 I'll refrain from asking anymore questions then until you guys have completed your work then. __________________ shrike6 ************ graebardeII Questions are always welcome, but as I said the list is still being compiled. By tomorrow eve, with luck, I shall have completed the frigates list, which comprises the single largest group of vessels. I'm sure you'd be welcome at the projects work site. Sorry if I seemed short. Looking at what I wrote it seemed that way, but that is not the way I intended. It's a work in progress, and without proof readers, omissions, as already pointed out, will undoubtedly be made. As there are numerous navies in this project, persons with knowledge of any navies, and their operational doctrine, will greatly help the project. I can count beans, but doctrine is vague not being a blue-water sailor. I was Army. Grae graebardeII ************ boogiedowndonovan Hey Grae, good stuff, I know you're still working on the list, but I think I found an error. Shouldn't CVN70 CARL VINSON should be homeported at Alameda, CA, not Bremerton, WA. IRL, ALM closed because of the post-cold war draw down, and closed in 1997. In T2K, ALM would still be open. (Matt Wiser, check me on this) By the way, are you concentrating on combat ships only? Or will you list amphibs, fleet support ships, etc? globalsecurity.org is a good site, have you seen this one? http://www.hazegray.org/ boogiedowndonovan ************ Matt Wiser If there had been no BRAC process (if the Wall hadn't come down), Alameda would certainly be still open. VA-304 (USN reserve with A-6Es and KA-6Ds) was the only squadron based there, but it was a carrier home port. One can see a continuance of the Reagan-era buildup into the 1990s up until the Sino-Soviet War begins. Then one would expect SECDEF and JCS starting to dust off contingency plans to get ships out of mothballs, ID'ing reservists who would be called up first, etc. In my T2K timeline, I have the A-6F and F-14D programs still going (axed in 1988 and 1992, respectively), and speed-up of building Burke-class DDGs and Seawolf-class SSNs, along with the six unbuilt Ohio-class SSBNs. Matt Wiser ************ graebardeII 1. Yes I intend to post the rest of the fleet as I get them keyed. 2. Yep, familiar with hazegray. 3. The first assumption we're making is the Cold War continues, there was not a reduction in the fleet, and very few installations were shutdown from 1989 onward. It's as Matt suggests. Only those vessels too old to function well are sold-scrappped. 4. I'm using the homeports shown in globalsecurity, however I know they will be adjusted some, such as you mention with Vinson. Thanks for the inputs. Grae graebardeII ************ graebardeII US Navy pt4 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Class/HULL NAME Svc Home FFG 1 BROOKE 67 89 XX FFG 2 RAMSEY 67 89 XX FFG 3 SCHOFIELD 68 89 XX FFG 4 TALBOT 67 89 XX FFG 5 RICHARD L. PAGE 67 89 XX FFG 6 JULIUS A. FURER 67 89 XX short Perry FFG 7 OLIVER HAZARD PERRY 77 97 MAY FFG 9 WADSWORTH 80 00 SDG FFG10 DUNCAN 80 94 LBE FFG11 CLARK 80 00 NOR FFG12 GEORGE PHILIP 80 00 SDG FFG13 SAMUEL ELIOT MORISON 80 00 MAY FFG14 SIDES 81 00 SDG FFG15 ESTOCIN 81 00 NOR FFG16 CLIFTON SPRAGUE 81 95 PHL FFG19 JOHN A. MOORE 81 00 SDG FFG20 ANTRIM 81 96 MAY FFG21 FLATLEY 81 96 MAY FFG22 FAHRION 82 98 MAY FFG23 LEWIS B. PULLER 82 98 SDG FFG24 JACK WILLIAMS 81 96 MAY FFG25 COPELAND 82 96 SDG FFG26 GALLERY 81 96 MAY FFG27 MAHLON S. TISDALE 82 96 SDG FFG30 REID 83 98 SDG FFG31 STARK 82 99 MAY FFG34 AUBREY 82 99 MAY long Perry FFG 8 MCINERNEY 79 00 MAY FFG28 BOONE 82 00 MAY FFG29 STEPHEN W. GROVES 82 00 PAS FFG32 JOHN L. HALL 82 00 PAS FFG33 JARRETT 83 00 SDG FFG36 UNDERWOOD 83 00 MAY FFG37 CROMMELIN 83 00 PHB FFG38 CURTS 83 00 SDG FFG39 DOYLE 83 00 MAY FFG40 HALYBIRTON 84 00 MAY FFG41 MCCLUSKY 83 00 SDG FFG42 KLAKRING 83 00 MAY FFG43 THACH 84 00 SDG FFG45 DEWERT 83 00 MAY FFG46 RENTZ 84 00 SDG FFG47 NICHOLAS 84 00 NOR FFG48 VANDEGRIFT 84 00 YOK FFG49 ROBERT G. BRADLEY 84 00 MAY FFG50 TAYLOR 84 00 MAY FFG51 GARY 84 00 YOK FFG52 CARR 85 00 NOR FFG53 HAWES 85 00 NOR FFG54 FORD 85 00 EVT FFG55 ELROD 85 00 NOR FFG56 SIMPSON 85 00 MAY FFG57 REUBEN JAMES 86 00 PHB FFG58 SAMUEL B. ROBERTS 86 00 NOR FFG59 KAUFFMAN 87 00 NOR FFG60 RODNEY M. DAVIS 87 00 EVT FFG61 INGRAHAM 89 00 EVT graebardeII ************ graebardeII Uscg -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 378ft BUILT: 67-72 WHEC 715 HAMILTON SDG WHEC 716 DALLAS CHA WHEC 717 MELLON SEA WHEC 718 CHASE SDG WHEC 719 BOUTWELL ALA WHEC 720 SHERMAN ALA WHEC 721 GALLATIN CHA WHEC 722 MORGENTHAU ALA WHEC 723 RUSH HON WHEC 724 MUNRO ALA WHEC 725 JARVIS HON WHEC 726 MIDGETT SEA 270ft BUILT: 83-88 WMEC 901 BEAR PSM WMEC 902 TAMPA PSM WMEC 903 HARRIET LANE PSM WMEC 904 NORTHLAND PSM WMEC 905 SPENCER BOS WMEC 906 SENECA BOS WMEC 907 ESCANABA BOS WMEC 908 TAHOMA NBF WMEC 909 CAMPBELL NBF WMEC 910 THETIS KEY WMEC 911 FORWARD PSM WMEC 912 LEGARE PSM WMEC 913 MOHAWK KEY WMEC 615 RELIANCE PNH 210ft 66-69 WMEC 616 DILIGENCE WIL WMEC 617 VIGILANT PAT WMEC 618 ACTIVE PAW WMEC 619 CONFIDENCE PAT WMEC 620 RESOLUTE SPB WMEC 621 VALIANT MIA WMEC 622 COURAGEOUS PCF WMEC 623 STEADFAST WAR WMEC 624 DAUNTLESS GAL WMEC 625 VENTUROUS SPB WMEC 626 DEPENDABLE PSM WMEC 627 VIGOROUS CMY WMEC 628 DURABLE SPB WMEC 629 DECISIVE PAS WMEC 630 ALERT WAR 230ft BUILT: 42 WMEC 38 STORIS KOD 213ft BUILT: 44 WMEC 167 ACUSHNET KET BUILT: 71-96 ATS 1 EDENTON XX ATS 2 BEAUFORT XX ATS 3 BRUNSWICK XX graebardeII ************ graebardeII Amphibs -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- LHA 1 TARAWA 76 SDG LHA 2 SAIPAN 77 NOR LHA 3 BELLEAU WOOD 78 SDG LHA 4 NASSAU 79 NOR LHA 5 PELELIU 80 SDG LHD 1 WASP 89 NOR LHD 2 ESSEX 92 SAS LHD 3 KEARSARGE 93 NOR LHD 4 BOXER 95 SDG LHD 5 BATAN 97 NOR LHD 6 BONHOMME RICHARD 98 SDG LPH 2 IWO JIMA 61 93 NOR LPH 3 OKINAWA 62 92 SDG LPH 7 GUADALCANAL 63 94 NOR LPH 9 GUAM 65 98 NOR LPH 10 TRIPOLI 66 95 SDG LPH 11 NEW ORLEANS 68 97 SDG LPD 4 AUSTIN 65 NOR LPD 5 OGDEN 65 SDG LPD 6 DULUTH 66 SDG LPD 7 CLEVELAND 67 SDG LPD 8 DUBUQUE 67 SDG LPD 9 DENVER 68 SDG LPD 10 JUNEAU 69 SAS LPD 12 SHREVEPORT 70 NOR LPD 13 NASHVILLE 69 NOR LPD 14 TRENTON 71 NOR LPD 15 PONCE 71 NOR LSD 41 WHIDBEY ISLAND 85 LCR LSD 42 GERMANTOWN 86 SDG LSD 43 FORT MCHENRY 87 SAS LSD 44 GUNSTON HALL 89 LCR LSD 45 COMSTOCK 90 SDG LSD 46 TORTUGA 90 LCR LSD 47 RUSHMORE 91 SDG LSD 48 ASHLAND 92 LCR LSD 49 HARPERS FERRY 94 SAS LSD 50 CARTER HALL 95 LCR LSD 51 OAK HILL 96 LCR LSD 52 PEARL HARBOR 98 SDG LCC 19 BLUE RIDGE 70 YOK LCC 20 MOUNT WHITNEY 71 NOR AGF 3 LA SALLE 64 GAE AGF 11 CORONADO 70 SDG -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Last edited by graebardeII : 01-22-2006 at 01:15 PM. graebardeII ************ graebardeII Minewarfare -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- All USN Minewarfare are home ported at NS Ingleside TX, with rotations overseas as directed. MCS 12 INCHON 70 ING MCM 1 AVENGER 87 ING MCM 2 DEFENDER 89 ING MCM 3 SENTRY 89 ING MCM 4 CHAMPION 91 ING MCM 5 GUARDIAN 89 ING MCM 6 DEVASTATOR 90 ING MCM 7 PATRIOT 91 SAS* MCM 8 SCOUT 90 ING MCM 9 PIONEER 92 ING MCM 10 WARRIOR 93 ING MCM 11 GLADIATOR 93 ING MCM 12 ARDENT 94 ING* MCM 13 DEXTROUS 94 ING* MCM 14 CHIEF 94 ING MHC 51 OPSPREY 93 ING MHC 52 HERON 94 ING MHC 53 PELICAN 95 ING MHC 54 ROBIN 96 ING MHC 55 ORIOLE 95 ING MHC 56 KINGFISHER 96 ING MHC 57 CORMORANT 97 ING MHC 58 BLACKHAWK 96 ING MHC 59 FALCON 97 ING MHC 60 CARDINAL 97 ING* MHC 61 RAVEN 98 ING* MHC 62 SHRIKE 99 ING graebardeII ************ shrike6 Quote:
I pretty much agree with your assessment Matt except there still would have been a BRAC process it had started 1988. The army had drawn down two brigades before 1990 had started (2nd Brigade, 9th ID [1988] and 2nd Brigade, 4th ID [1989]). Maybe it wouldn't have been as deep as the one we know but there still would have been some sort of a drawdown. Although I do agree that Alameda probably still would have been there. Quote:
Last edited by shrike6 : 01-22-2006 at 06:34 PM. shrike6 ************ FightingFlamingo I think that in regards to the BRAC. If we are using a variant of the V1 chronology something has to address 1989. If it didn't happen and there was a heat up in the Cold War... those decisions could have been reversed. a Generalised timeline of events from 1988 through 1995 should be agreed on to justify a naval construction plan. After the Sino-Soviet War starts in 1995, there is potential for an acceleration of the the shipbuilding program. __________________ Cold Blue Steel - the spirit of the bayonet FightingFlamingo ************ chico20854 I can pull out the Naval shipbuilding plan from 1987 that lists what ships were to be built when. I think that will isolate 1989 and get us what a continuation of the Cold War would have looked like. I'll try to get to it today... chico20854 ************ chico20854 US Navy Shipbuilding Plan as of 1988: 1 SSBN a year until 20 in the fleet 1 LA-class sub a year until 66 in the fleet 1 Seawolf class sub in 1989, 2 in 1991 and each year after. 1 carrier in 1990, 1 in 1993 3 Burke-class destroyers in 1989 and 1990, 5 in 1991 and 6 a year until 29 in the fleet 1 Wasp-class LHD in 1988, 1989 and 1991, 1 every other year until 12 in the fleet 1 LSD-CV in 1988, 1990, 1991 and 2 a year until 10 in the fleet 2 MHC (Italian Lerici-class minehunter) in 1989, 3 in 1990 and 1991, 4 a year after until 17 in the fleet 1 AOE in 1989 and 2 in 1991 1 AE-36 in 1991 and 1992, 2 in 1993, 1 in 1994. 1 ARS in 1990 2 T-AOE in 1988, 1989 and 1990, 1 in 1991. 2 T-AGOS in 1988, 1 in 1989, 3 in 1990, 2 in 1991. 12 LCAC a year. The dates are order date. Commissioning dates are, on average, about 5 years after the order date, although that varies by type of ship and specific circumstances (i.e. shipyard bankruptcy, multiple vessels ordered on same date, etc). For aircraft, the procurement plan was: 12 A-6E/F in 1988, 18 in 1989 and 24 a year thereafter 12 EA-6B a year 42 AV-8B a year until 328 in the fleet 132 FA-18 in 1988 and 1989, 163 a year thereafter 12 F-14 in 1988, 18 in 1989, 24 in 1990 and 36 in 1991 to 304 in the fleet 14 CH/MH-53E in 1988 and 1989, 12 in 1990 and the possibility of more thereafter 6 SH-60B in 1988, 1989 and 1990, 12 in 1991 and thereafter until 239 in the fleet 18 SH-60F in 1988, 1989 and 1990, 12 in 1991 and thereafter until 175 in the fleet 9 P-3 Orion/year, with P-6 production starting in 1990 and reaching 25 a year 6 E-2C a year maintain capability to produce at least 6 SH-2G a year 3 E-6A/year 12 T-45 in 1988, 24 in 1989 and 1990, 48 in 1991 and thereafter I haven't been able to locate the comparable Coast Guard plan. chico20854 ************ shrike6 Good stuff Chico. __________________ shrike6 ************ graebardeII Submarines -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SSN 585 SKIPJACK 59 90 NOR SSN 588 SCAMP 61 91 SDG SSN 590 SCULPIN 61 90 SDG SSN 591 SHARK 61 90 NOR SSN 592 SNOOK 61 86 NLD SSN 594 PERMIT 62 91 SDG SSN 595 PLUNGER 63 89 XX SSN 596 BARB 63 89 XX SSN 603 POLLOCK 64 89 XX SSN 604 HADDO 64 91 SDG SSN 605 JACK 67 90 NLD SSN 606 TINOSA 64 92 NLD SSN 607 DACE 64 88 XX SSN 612 GUARDFISH 66 92 SDG SSN 613 FLASHER 66 92 SDG SSN 614 GREENLING 67 94 PNH SSN 615 GATO 68 96 NLD SSN 621 HADDOCK 67 93 MIC SSN 597 TULIBEE 60 93 xx SSN 637 STURGEON 67 94 CHA SSN 638 WHALE 68 96 GRO SSN 639 TAUTOG 68 97 PHB SSN 646 GRAYLING 69 97 CHA SSN 647 POGY 71 99 SDG SSN 648 ASPRO 69 95 PHB SSN 649 SUNFISH 69 97 CHA SSN 650 PARGO 68 95 BRM SSN 651 QUEENFISH 66 92 PHB SSN 652 PUFFER 69 96 PHB SSN 653 RAY 67 93 CHA SSN 660 SANDLANCE 71 98 GRO SSN 661 LAPON 67 92 NOR SSN 662 GUMARD 68 95 SDG SSN 663 HAMMERHEAD 68 95 MIC SSN 664 SEA DEVIL 69 91 CHA SSN 665 GUITARRO 72 92 SDG SSN 666 HAWKBILL 71 99 PHB SSN 667 BERGALL 69 96 MIC SSN 668 SPADEFISH 69 97 NOR SSN 669 SEAHORSE 69 95 CHA SSN 670 FINBACK 70 97 NOR SSN 672 PINADU 71 98 SDG SSN 673 FLYINGFISH 70 96 BRM SSN 674 TREPANG 70 99 GRO SSN 675 BLUEFISH 71 96 NOR SSN 676 BILLFISH 71 99 GRO SSN 677 DRUM 72 95 SDG SSN 678 ARCHERFISH 71 98 GRO SSN 679 SILVERSIDES 72 94 BRM SSN 680 WILLIAM H. BATES 73 00 PHB SSN 681 BATFISH 72 98 GRO SSN 682 TUNNY 74 98 PHB SSN 683 PARCHE 74 00 SDG SSN 684 CAVALLO 73 98 PHB SSN 686 L. MENDEL RIVERS 75 00 NOR SSN 687 RICHARD B. RUSSELL 75 94 MIC SSN 645 JAMES K. POLK 66 99 NOR SSN 671 NARWALL 69 99 NOR SSN 685 GLENARD P. LIPSCOMB 74 89 XX SSN 688 LOS ANGELES 76 00 PHB SSN 689 BATON ROUGE 77 95 NOR SSN 690 PHILADELPHIA 77 00 GRO SSN 691 MEMPHIS 77 00 GRO SSN 692 OMAHA 78 95 PHB SSN 693 CINCINNATI 78 96 NOR SSN 694 GROTON 78 97 GRO SSN 695 BIRMINGHAM 78 97 PHB SSN 696 NEW YORK CITY 79 97 PHB SSN 697 INDIANAPOLIS 80 98 PHB SSN 698 BREMERTON 81 00 PHB SSN 699 JACKSONVILLE 81 00 NOR SSN 700 DALLAS 81 00 GRO SSN 701 LA JOLLA 81 00 PHB SSN 702 PHOENIX 81 98 NOR SSN 703 BOSTON 82 99 GRO SSN 704 BALTIMORE 82 98 XX SSN 705 CITY OF CORPUS CHRISTI 83 00 GUA SSN 706 ALBUQUERQUE 83 00 GRO SSN 707 PORTSMOUTH 83 00 SDG SSN 708 MINNEAPOLIS-ST PAUL 84 00 NOR SSN 709 HYMAN G. RICKOVER 84 00 NOR SSN 710 AUGUSTA 85 00 GRO SSN 711 SAN FRANCISCO 84 00 GUA SSN 712 ATLANTA 82 00 NOR SSN 713 HOUSTON 82 00 SDG SSN 714 NORFOLK 83 00 NOR SSN 715 BUFFALO 83 00 PHB SSN 716 SALT LAKE CITY 84 00 SDG SSN 717 OLYMPIA 84 00 PHB SSN 718 HONOLULU 85 00 PHB SSN 719 PROVIDENCE 85 00 GRO SSN 720 PITTSBURG 85 00 GRO SSN 721 CHICAGO 86 00 PHB SSN 722 KEY WEST 87 00 PHB SSN 723 OKLAHOMA CITY 88 00 NOR SSN 724 LOUISVILLE 88 00 PHB SSN 725 HELENA 87 00 SDG SSN 750 NEWPORT NEWS 89 00 NOR SSN 751 SAN JUAN 88 00 GUA SSN 752 PASADENA 89 00 PHB SSN 753 ALBANY 90 00 NOR SSN 754 TOPEKA 89 00 PHB SSN 755 MIAMI 90 00 GRO SSN 756 SCRANTON 91 00 NOR SSN 757 ALEXANDRIA 91 00 GRO SSN 758 ASHEVILLE 91 00 PHB SSN 759 JEFFERSON CITY 92 00 SDG SSN 760 ANNAPOLIS 92 00 GRO SSN 761 SPRINGFIELD 93 00 GRO SSN 762 COLUMBUS 93 00 PHB SSN 763 SANTA FE 93 00 PHB SSN 764 BOISE 92 00 NOR SSN 765 MONTPELIER 93 00 NOR SSN 766 CHAROLETTE 94 00 PHB SSN 767 HAMPTON 93 00 NOR SSN 768 HARTFORD 94 00 GRO SSN 769 TOLEDO 95 00 GRO SSN 770 TUCSON 95 00 PHB SSN 771 COLUMBIA 95 00 PHB SSN 772 GREENVILLE 96 00 PHB SSN 773 CHEYENNE 96 00 PHB SS 572 SAILFISH 56 ?? BRM AGSS 555 DOLPHIN 68 ?? SDG SS 580 BARBEL 59 ?? XX SS 581 BLUEBACK 59 ?? XX SSN 21 SEAWOLF 97 00 GRO SSN 22 CONNECTICUT 97 00 GRO SSBN 609 SAM HOUSTON 62 91 XX SSBN 611 JOHN MARSHALL 62 92 XX SSBN 616 LAFAYETTE 63 91 GRO SSBN 617 ALEXANDER HAMILTON 63 93 GRO SSBN 619 ANDREW JACKSON 63 89 XX SSBN 620 JOHN ADAMS 64 89 XX SSBN 622 JAMES MONROE 63 90 CHA SSBN 623 NATHAN HALE 63 86 XX SSBN 624 WOODROW WILSON 63 94 CHA SSBN 625 HENRY CLAY 64 90 CHA SSBN 626 DANIEL WEBSTER 64 90 GRO SSBN 627 JAMES MADISON 64 92 CHA SSBN 628 TECUMSEH 64 93 NOR SSBN 629 DANIEL BOONE 64 94 NOR SSBN 630 JOHN C. CALHOUN 64 94 CHA SSBN 631 ULYSSES S. GRANT 64 92 PNH SSBN 632 VON STUBEN 64 94 CHA SSBN 633 CASIMIR PULASKI 64 94 CHA SSBN 634 STONEWALL JACKSON 64 95 CHA SSBN 635 SAM RAYBURN 64 89 XX SSBN 636 NATHANIAL GREEN 64 87 XX SSBN 640 BENJAMIN FRANKLIN 65 93 NOR SSBN 641 SIMON BOLIVAR 65 95 PSM SSBN 642 KAMEHAMEHA 65 92 PHB SSBN 643 GEORGE BANCROFT 66 93 CHA SSBN 644 LEWIS AND CLARK 65 92 CHA SSBN 645 JAMES K. POLK 66 99 NOR SSBN 654 GEORGE C. MARSHALL 66 92 GRO SSBN 655 HENRY L. STIMSON 66 93 CHA SSBN 656 GEO. WASHINGTON CARVER 66 93 GRO SSBN 657 FRANCIS SCOTT KEY 66 93 CHA SSBN 658 MARIANO G. VALLEJO 65 95 CHA SSBN 659 WILL ROGERS 67 93 GRO SSBN 726 OHIO 81 00 BAN SSBN 727 MICHIGAN 82 00 BAN SSBN 728 FLORIDA 83 00 BAN SSBN 729 GEORGIA 84 00 BAN SSBN 730 HENRY M. JACKSON 84 00 BAN SSBN 731 ALABAMA 85 00 BAN SSBN 732 ALASKA 86 00 BAN SSBN 733 NEVADA 86 00 BAN SSBN 734 TENNESSEE 88 00 KBG SSBN 735 PENNSYLVANIA 89 00 BAN SSBN 736 WEST VIRGINIA 90 00 KBG SSBN 737 KENTUCKY 91 00 KBG SSBN 738 MARYLAND 92 00 KBG SSBN 739 NEBRASKA 93 00 KBG SSBN 740 RHODE ISLAND 94 00 KBG SSBN 741 MAINE 95 00 KBG SSBN 742 WYOMING 96 00 KBG SSBN 743 LOUISANIA 97 00 KBG graebardeII ************ JimWardrip -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Nice work. I did notice one area that I may be able to offer some insight. The Simpson (FFG56), Roberts (FFG58), and Kauffman (FFG59) were all home-ported in Newport until 94. There were some others there but I can't recall exactly which ones. I know the Simpson moved to Norfolk in 94 after returning from Somalia, then to Mayport 18-24 months later. I'm not sure when the Sammy B. and Kauffman left Newport, but I know they were still there in Dec 93. Approaching this from the perspective that the Cold War did not end, in all likelihood the Navy would have maintained their de-centralized posture and would have maintained ships, more-or-less, at their 1989-90 locations. Regards, Jim Wardrip T2k13 Design Team JimWardrip ************ graebardeII Jim, Thanks for the heads-up. I realize the homeports in 96 are probably different from those given. I appologize to all for that, but right now I'm trying to at least get all the vessels that were, or may have been had 'peace not broken out', in service. I have wound up using TWO sources now to cross check. FAS being the second source. I've discovered several ommissions on my part, which I will correct to the appropriate list today. I 'think' I have the list done for the most part. I have well over 600 ships, not counting USCG vessels, sealift, prepositioned, and reserve fleet. I know some of the vessels on the list may come from RRF, but now my concentration is on logistical vessels. FB graebardeII ************ graebardeII Corrections -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ddg 2 Charles F. Adams 60 90 May Ddg 3 John King 61 90 Nor Ddg 4 Lawrence 62 90 Nor Ddg 5 Claude V. Ricketts 62 89 Nor Ddg 6 Barney 62 90 Nor Ddg 7 Henry B. Wilson 60 89 Nor Ddg 8 Lynde Mccormick 61 91 Sdg Ddg 9 Towers 61 90 Yok Ddg 10 Sampson 61 91 May Ddg 11 Sellers 61 89 Cha Ddg 12 Robinson 61 91 Sdg Ddg 13 Hoel 62 91 Sdg Ddg 14 Buchanan 62 91 Sdg Ddg 15 Berkeley 62 92 Sdg Ddg 16 Joseph Strauss 63 90 Phb Ddg 17 Conyngham 63 90 Nor Ddg 18 Semmes 62 91 Cha Ddg 19 Tattnall 63 91 May Ddg 20 Goldsborough 63 93 Phb Ddg 21 Cochrane 63 90 Yok Ddg 22 Benjamin Stoddert 64 91 Phb Ddg 23 Richard E. Byrd 64 90 Nor Ddg 24 Waddell 64 92 Sdg Lka 113 Charleston 68 92 Lka 114 Durham 69 94 Lka 115 Mobile 69 94 Lka 116 St Louis 69 92 Lka 117 El Paso 70 92 Lpd 1 Raleigh 62 91 Nor Lpd 2 Vancouver 63 92 Sdg Lst 1179 Newport 69 92 Lcr Lst 1180 Manitowac 70 93 Lcr Lst 1181 Sumter 70 93 Lcr Lst 1182 Fresno 69 93 Sdg Lst 1183 Peoria 70 94 Sdg Lst 1184 Frederick 70 0 Phb Lst 1185 Schenectady 70 93 Sdg Lst 1186 Cayuga 70 94 Sdg Lst 1187 Tuscaloosa 70 94 Sdg Lst 1188 Saginaw 71 94 Sdg Lst 1189 San Bernardino 71 95 Sdg Lst 1190 Boulder County 71 94 Lcr Lst 1191 Racine 71 93 Lbe Lst 1192 Spartansburg County 71 94 Lcr Lst 1193 Fairfax County 71 94 Lcr Lst 1194 La Moure County 71 0 Lcr Lst 1195 Barbour County 72 92 Sdg Lst 1196 Harlan County 72 95 Lcr Lst 1197 Barnstable County 72 94 Lcr Lst 1198 Bristol County 72 94 Sdg Mso 427 Constant 54 92 Sdg Mso 433 Engage 54 91 May Mso 437 Enhance 55 91 Tac Mso 438 Esteem 55 91 Sea Mso 439 Excel 55 92 Sfn Mso 440 Exploit 54 93 Npt Mso 441 Exultant 54 93 Cha Mso 442 Fearless 54 90 Cha Mso 446 Fortify 54 92 Lcr Mso 448 Illusive 53 90 May Mso 449 Impervious 54 91 May Mso 455 Implicit 54 94 Tac Mso 456 Inflict 54 90 Lcr Mso 464 Pluck 54 90 Sdg Mso 488 Conquest 55 94 Sea Mso 489 Gallant 55 94 Sfn Mso 490 Leader 55 92 Cha Mso 492 Pledge 56 94 Sea Mso 509 Adroit 57 92 Lcr Mso 511 Affray 58 92 Cha Last edited by kato13; 03-15-2010 at 03:44 PM. 
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graebardeII As 19 Proteus 43 92 Gua As 39 Emory S. Land 79 0 Lmi As 40 Frank Cable 79 0 Gua As 41 Mckee 87 0 Sdg As 36 L. Y. Spear 70 96 Nor As 37 Dixon 71 95 Sdg As 38 Simon Lake 64 99 Lmi As 34 Canopus 65 94 Kbg As 31 Hunley 62 94 Cha As 32 Holland 62 96 Cha Afdm 2 No Name 42 95 Xx Afdm 3 No Name 43 97 Xx Afdm 5 Resourceful 44 97 Xx Afdm 6 Competent 44 97 Xx Afdm 7 Sustain 45 0 Xx Afdm 8 Richland 44 97 Xx Afdm 9 No Name Xx 89 Xx Afdm 10 Resolute 45 45 Nor Afdm 14 Steadfast 45 99 Xx Ardm 1 Oak Ridge 44 0 Gro Ardm 2 Alamogordo 44 93 Xx Ardm 3 Endurance 44 95 Xx Ardm 4 Shippingport 79 0 Gro Ardm 5 Arco 86 0 Sdg Ad 37 Samuel Gompers 67 95 Xx Ad 38 Puget Sound 68 96 Xx Ad 41 Yellowstone 80 96 Nor Ad 42 Acadia 81 95 Sdg Ad 43 Cape Cod 82 94 Sdg Ad 44 Shenandoah 83 96 Nor Ars 38 Bolster 45 94 Lbe Ars 39 Conserver 45 94 Phb Ars 40 Hoist 45 94 Lcr Ars 41 Opportune 45 93 Lcr Ars 42 Reclaim 45 94 Phb Ars 43 Recovery 46 94 Lcr Ars 50 Safeguard 85 0 Sas Ars 51 Grasp 85 0 Lcr Ars 52 Salvor 86 0 Phb Ars 53 Grapple 86 0 Lcr T-atf 166 Powhatan 79 99 Lcr T-atf 167 Narragansett 79 99 Pac T-atf 168 Catawba 80 0 Atl T-atf 169 Navajo 80 0 Pac T-atf 170 Mohawk 80 0 Lcr T-atf 171 Sioux 81 0 Pac T-atf 172 Apache 81 0 Lcr Ats 1 Edenton 71 0 Xx Ats 2 Beaufort 71 0 Xx Ats 3 Brunswick 71 0 Xx Asr 9 Florikan 43 94 Phb Asr 13 Kittiwake 45 91 Nor Asr 14 Petrel 45 94 Cha Asr 15 Sunbird 50 93 Gro Asr 12 Penguin 45 0 Xx Asr 21 Pigeon 73 92 Sdg Asr 22 Ortolan 73 95 Nor Ar 52 Vulcan 41 91 Nor Ar 6 Ajax 43 89 Xx Ar 7 Hector 43 94 Xx Ar 8 Jason 44 95 Sdg Ae 21 Suribachi 56 94 Xx Ae 22 Mauna Kena 57 95 Xx Ae 23 Nitro 59 94 Xx Ae 24 Pyro 59 94 Xx Ae 25 Haleakala 59 93 Xx T-ae 26 Kilauea 68 0 Gua T-ae 27 Butte 68 0 Ear T-ae 28 Santa Barbara 70 0 Xx T-ae 29 Mount Hood 71 0 Brm T-ae 32 Flint 71 0 Gua T-ae 33 Shasta 72 0 Xx T-ae 34 Mount Baker 72 0 Cha T-ae 35 Kiska 72 0 Xx T-afs 1 Mars 63 93 Oak T-afs 2 Sylvania 64 95 Nor T-afs 3 Niagara Falls 67 0 Gua T-afs 4 White Plains 68 95 Gua T-afs 5 Concord 68 0 Nor T-afs 6 San Diego 69 93 Nor T-afs 7 San Jose 70 0 Gua T-afs 8 Sirius 81 0 Nor T-afs 9 Spica 81 0 Gua T-afs 10 Saturn 83 0 Nor Ao 98 Caloosahatchee 45 90 Nor Ao 99 Canisteo 45 89 Nor Ao 177 Cimarron 81 98 Phb Ao 179 Merrimack 81 98 Nor T-ao 187 Henry J. Kaiser 86 00 Dig T-ao 188 Joshua Humphreys 87 96 Atl T-ao 189 John Lenthall 87 00 Atl T-ao 190 Andrew J. Higgins 87 96 Pac T-ao 191 Benjamin Isherwood 91 97 Xx T-ao 192 Henry Eckford 92 98 Atl T-ao 193 Walter S. Diehl 88 00 Pac T-ao 194 Joh Ericsson 91 00 Pac T-ao 195 Leroy Grumman 89 00 Atl T-ao 196 Kanawha 91 00 Atl T-ao 197 Pecos 90 00 Pac T-ao 198 Big Horn 92 00 Atl T-ao 199 Tippecanoe 93 00 Pac T-ao 200 Guadalupe 92 00 Pac T-ao 201 Patuxent 95 00 Atl T-ao 202 Yukon 94 00 Pac T-ao 203 Laramie 96 00 Atl T-ao 204 Rappahannock 95 00 Pac Aoe 1 Sacramento 64 00 Brm Aoe 2 Camden 67 00 Brm Aoe 3 Seattle 69 00 Ear Aoe 4 Detroit 70 00 Ear Aoe 6 Supply 94 00 Ear Aoe 7 Rainer 95 00 Brm Aoe 8 Artic 95 00 Nor Aoe 10 Bridge 98 00 Brm Aor 1 Wichita 69 93 Oak Aor 2 Milwaukee 69 94 Nor Aor 3 Kansas City 70 94 Oak Aor 4 Savannah 70 95 Nor Aor 5 Wabash 71 94 Lbe Aor 6 Kalamazoo 73 96 Nor Aor 7 Roanoke 76 95 Lbe T-ao 143 Neosho 52 94 Nor T-ao 144 Mississinewa 55 94 Nor T-ao 145 Hassayampa 55 94 Oak T-ao 146 Kawishiwi 55 94 Sdg T-ao 147 Truckee 55 94 Nor T-ao 148 Ponchatoula 56 92 Oak graebardeII ************ graebardeII Ok, ANY one know why it will not keep capital letters as caps? Sorry for the problem. It does not change the info, just the looks. FB graebardeII ************ graebardeII Small Boys -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- PC 1 CYCLONE 93 00 LCR PC 2 TEMPEST 93 00 LCR PC 3 HURRICANE 93 00 LCR PC 4 MONSOON 94 00 COR PC 5 TYPHOON 94 00 LCR PC 6 SIROCCO 94 00 LCR PC 7 SQUALL 94 00 COR PC 8 ZEPHYR 94 00 COR PC 9 CHINOOK 95 00 LCR PC 10 FIREBOLT 95 00 LCR PC 11 WHIRLWIND 95 00 LCR PC 12 THUNDERBOLT 95 00 LCR PC 13 SHAMAL 96 00 LCR PHM 1 PEGASUS 77 93 KEY PHM 2 HERCULES 82 93 KEY PHM 3 TAURUS 81 93 KEY PHM 4 AQUILA 82 93 KEY PHM 5 ARIES 82 93 KEY PHM 6 GEMINI 82 93 KEY WPB 1301 Farallon 110ft ISLAND Miami Beach, Fla WPB 1302 Manitou 110ft ISLAND Miami Beach, Fla WPB 1303 Matagorda 110ft ISLAND Miami Beach, Fla. WPB 1304 Maui 110ft ISLAND Miami Beach, Fla. WPB 1305 Monhegan 110ft ISLAND Key West, Fla. WPB 1306 Nunivak 110ft ISLAND Puerto Rico WPB 1307 Ocracoke 110ft ISLAND Alameda, CA WPB 1308 Vashon 110ft ISLAND Puerto Rico WPB 1309 Aquidneck 110ft ISLAND Portsmouth, Va. WPB 1310 Mustang 110ft ISLAND Seward, Alaska WPB 1311 Naushon 110ft ISLAND Ketchikan, Alaska WPB 1312 Sanibel 110ft ISLAND Woods Hole, Mass. WPB 1313 Edisto 110ft ISLAND Cresent, Calif WPB 1314 Sapelo 110ft ISLAND Key West, Fla. WPB 1315 Mantinicus 110ft ISLAND Cape May, N.J. WPB 1316 Nantucket 110ft ISLAND Key West, Fla. WPB 1317 Attu 110ft ISLAND San Juan, P.R. WPB 1318 Baranof 110ft ISLAND Miami Beach, Fla. WPB 1319 Chandeleur 110ft ISLAND Miami Beach, Fla. WPB 1320 Chincoteague 110ft ISLAND Mobile, Ala. WPB 1321 Cushing 110ft ISLAND Puerto Rico WPB 1322 Cuttyhunk 110ft ISLAND Port Angeles, Wash. WPB 1323 Drummond 110ft ISLAND Port Canaveral, Fla. WPB 1324 Key Largo 110ft ISLAND Savannah, Ga WPB 1325 Metompkin 110ft ISLAND Charleston, S.C. WPB 1326 Monomoy 110ft ISLAND Woods Hole, Mass. WPB 1327 Orcas 110ft ISLAND Coos Bay, Ore. WPB 1328 Padre 110ft ISLAND Key West, Fla. WPB 1329 Sitkinak 110ft ISLAND Key West, Fla. WPB 1330 Tybee 110ft ISLAND San Diego, CA. WPB 1331 Washington 110ft ISLAND Honolulu, Hawaii WPB 1332 Wrangell 110ft ISLAND South Portland, Maine WPB 1333 Adak 110ft ISLAND Sandy Hook, N.J. WPB 1334 Liberty 110ft ISLAND Auke Bay, Alaska WPB 1335 Anacapa 110ft ISLAND Petersburg, Alaska WPB 1336 Kiska 110ft ISLAND Hilo, Hawaii WPB 1337 Assateague 110ft ISLAND Honolulu, Hawaii WPB 1338 Grand Isle 110ft ISLAND Gloucester, Mass WPB 1339 Key Biscayne 110ft ISLAND St. Petersburg, FL WPB 1340 Jefferson Island 110ft ISLAND S. Portland, Maine WPB 1341 Kodiak Island 110ft ISLAND St. Petersburg, FL WPB 1342 Long Island 110ft ISLAND Monterey, CA. WPB 1343 Bainbridge Island 110ft ISLAND Sandy Hook, N.J. WPB 1344 Block Island 110ft ISLAND Atlantic Beach, N.C. WPB 1345 Staten Island 110ft ISLAND Atlantic Beach, N.C. WPB 1346 Roanoke Island 110ft ISLAND Homer, Alaska WPB 1347 Pea Island 110ft ISLAND St. Petersburg, FL WPB 1348 Knight Island 110ft ISLAND St. Petersburg, FL WPB 1349 Galveston Island 110ft ISLAND Agana, Guam WPB 82301 Point Caution 82ft POINT Galveston, TX WPB 82302 Point Hope 82ft POINT Sabine Pass, TX WPB 82303 Point Young 82ft POINT Grand Isle, LA WPB 82304 Point League 82ft POINT Morgan City, LA WPB 82305 Point Partridge 82ft POINT West Jonesport, ME WPB 82306 Point Jefferson 82ft POINT Nantucket, MA WPB 82307 Point Glover 82ft POINT Fort Hancock, NJ WPB 82308 Point White 82ft POINT New London, CT WPB 82309 Point Arden 82ft POINT Point Pleasant, NJ WPB 82310 Point Garnet 82ft POINT Norfolk, VA WPB 82311 Point Verde 82ft POINT Pensacola, FL WPB 82312 Point Swift 82ft POINT Clearwater Beach, FL WPB 82313 Point Slocum 82ft POINT St. Thomas, VI WPB 82314 Point Thatcher 82ft POINT Nokomis, FL WPB 82315 Point Clear 82ft POINT San Pedro, CA WPB 82316 Point Mast 82ft POINT Long Beach, CA WPB 82317 Point Comfort 82ft POINT Benica, CA WPB 82318 Point Herron 82ft POINT Babylon, NY WPB 82319 Point Orient 82ft POINT Fort Pierce, FL WPB 82320 Point Kennedy 82ft POINT San Juan, PR WPB 82321 Point Lomas 82ft POINT Port Aransas, TX WPB 82322 Point Hudson 82ft POINT Panama City, FL WPB 82323 Point Grace 82ft POINT Crisfield, MD WPB 82324 Point Grey 82ft POINT Norfolk, VA WPB 82325 Point Dume 82ft POINT Fire Island, NY WPB 82326 Point Cypress 82ft POINT Boston, MA WPB 82327 Point Banks 82ft POINT Woods Hole, MA WPB 82328 Point Gammon 82ft POINT Alameda, CA WPB 82329 Point Welcome 82ft POINT Everett, WA WPB 82330 Point Ellis 82ft POINT Port Townsend, WA WPB 82331 Point Marone 82ft POINT San Pedro, CA WPB 82332 Point Roberts 82ft POINT Mayport, FL WPB 82333 Point Highland 82ft POINT Chincoteague, VA WPB 82334 Point Ledge 82ft POINT Mobile, AL WPB 82335 Point Countess 82ft POINT Nokomis, FL WPB 82336 Point Glass 82ft POINT Mariana De Rey, CA WPB 82337 Point Divide 82ft POINT Corona del Mar, CA WPB 82338 Point Bridge 82ft POINT Mariana De Rey, CA WPB 82339 Point Chico 82ft POINT Bodega Bay, CA WPB 82340 Point Batan 82ft POINT Cape May, NJ WPB 82341 Point Lookout 82ft POINT Morgan City, LA WPB 82342 Point Baker 82ft POINT Sabine, TX WPB 82343 Point Wells 82ft POINT Montauk, NY WPB 82344 Point Estereo 82ft POINT Gulfport, Miss. WPB 82345 Point Judith 82ft POINT Gulfport, Miss. WPB 82346 Point Arena 82ft POINT Norfolk, VA WPB 82347 Point Bonita 82ft POINT Little Creek, VA WPB 82348 Point Barrow 82ft POINT Monterey, CA WPB 82349 Point Spencer 82ft POINT Galveston, TX WPB 82350 Point Franklin 82ft POINT Cape May, NJ WPB 82351 Point Bennett 82ft POINT Port Townsend, WA WPB 82352 Point Sal 82ft POINT Grand Isle, LA WPB 82353 Point Monroe 82ft POINT Gulfport, Miss WPB 82354 Point Evans 82ft POINT Lihue, HI WPB 82355 Point Hannon 82ft POINT West Jonesport, ME WPB 82356 Point Francis 82ft POINT New London, Conn. WPB 82357 Point Huron 82ft POINT Norfolk, VA WPB 82358 Point Stuart 82ft POINT Newport Beach, CA WPB 82359 Point Steele 82ft POINT Fort Myers Beach, FL WPB 82360 Point Winslow 82ft POINT Morgan City, LA WPB 82361 Point Charles 82ft POINT West Palm Beach, FL WPB 82362 Point Brown 82ft POINT Oregon Inlet, NC WPB 82363 Point Nowell 82ft POINT Port Isabel, TX WPB 82364 Point Whitehorn 82ft POINT St. Thomas, VI WPB 82365 Point Turner 82ft POINT Newport, RI WPB 82366 Point Lobos 82ft POINT Pensacola, FL WPB 82367 Point Knoll 82ft POINT New London, CT WPB 82368 Point Warde 82ft POINT Wrightsville Beach, NC WPB 82369 Point Heyer 82ft POINT Morro Bay, CA WPB 82370 Point Richmond 82ft POINT Anacortes, WA WPB 82371 Point Barnes 82ft POINT Fort Pierce, FL WPB 82372 Point Brower 82ft POINT San Francisco, CA WPB 82373 Point Camden 82ft POINT Santa Barbara, CA WPB 82374 Point Carrew 82ft POINT Oxnard, CA WPB 82375 Point Doran 82ft POINT Everett, WA WPB 82376 Point Harris 82ft POINT Nawiliwili, HI WPB 82377 Point Hobart 82ft POINT Oceanside, CA WPB 82378 Point Jackson 82ft POINT Clearwater, FL WPB 82379 Point Martin 82ft POINT Fort Pierce, FL graebardeII ************ chico20854 Italian Navy, 1 January 1997 (sorry the formatting got all messed up...) Carriers commissioned base notes C552 Giuseppe Mazzini 1997 Hurriedly completed C551 Giuseppe Garibaldi 1985 Surface Combatants C550 Vittorio Veneto 1969 C553 Andrea Doria 1964 reserve C554 Caio Duilo 1964 reserve D560 Luigi Durand de la Penne 1993 Taranto Ex-Animoso D561 Francesco Mimbelli 1993 Taranto Ex-Ardimentso D551 Audace 1973 La Spezia D550 Ardito 1972 La Spezia D570 Impavido 1963 reserve D571 Intrepido 1964 reserve F576 Espero 1985 F577 Zeffiro 1985 F575 Euro 1984 F571 Grecale 1983 F572 Libeccio 1983 F573 Scirocco 1983 F574 Aliseo 1983 F570 Maestrale 1982 F566 Perseo 1980 Taranto F567 Orsa 1980 F565 Sagittario 1978 Taranto F564 Lupo 1977 F541 Umberto Grosso 1966 reserve F546 Licio Visitini 1966 reserve F560 Savatore Todaro 1966 reserve F540 Pietro Di Crisofaro 1965 reserve F594 Virgilio Fasan 1962 reserve F595 Carlo Magotti 1962 reserve F542 Aquila 1956 reserve F544 Alcione 1955 reserve F545 Airone 1955 reserve F551 Minerva 1987 Augusta F552 Urania 1987 Augusta F553 Danaide 1988 Augusta F554 Sfinge 1989 Augusta F555 Driade 1990 Augusta F556 Chimera 1990 Augusta F557 Fenice 1991 Augusta F558 Sibilla 1991 Augusta F581 Carabiniere 1968/93 reserve F580 Alpino 1968/97 La Spezia reserve F582 Artigliere 1985/96 La Spezia Ex-Iraqi F583 Aviere 1985/96 La Spezia Ex-Iraqi F584 Bersagliere 1986/96 La Spezia Ex-Iraqi F585 Granatiere 1987/96 La Spezia Ex-Iraqi F559 Albarda 1992 Minerva class, new build F562 Albatros 1993 Minerva class, new build F563 Altair 1993 Minerva class, new build F568 Andromeda 1994 Minerva class, new build Submarines S524 Primo Longobardo 1993 Taranto S525 Gianfranco Gazzana Priaroggia 1995 Taranto S522 Salvatore Pelosi 1988 Taranto S523 Giuliano Prini 1989 Taranto S518 Nazario Sauro 1980 Taranto S519 Carlo Fecia Di Cossato 1980 Taranto S520 Leonardo Da Vinci 1982 Taranto S521 Guglielmo Marconi 1982 Taranto S505 Enrico Toti 1968 reserve S506 Attilio Bagnolini 1968 reserve S513 Enrico Dandolo 1968 reserve S514 Lazzario Mocenigo 1969 reserve Amphibious Ships L9892 San Giorgio 1988 Brindisi L9893 San Marco 1989 Brindisi L9894 San Giusto 1994 Brindisi L9890 Nave Grado 1958 reserve L9891 Nave Caorle 1957 reserve Patrol Craft P401 Cassiopea 1989 Augusta P402 Libra 1989 Augusta P403 Spica 1991 Augusta P404 Vega 1991 Augusta P405 Orione 1993 new build P406 Olmo 1994 new build P407 Pino 1996 new build P408 Quercia 1996 P5431 Storione 1956/93 Augusta P5433 Squalo 1956/93 Augusta P420 Sparviero 1974 P421 Nibbio 1982 P422 Falcone 1982 P423 Astore 1983 P424 Grifone 1983 P425 Cheppio 1983 P426 Condor 1984 P921 (ex-Muusa Ben Nussair) 1986 Ex-Iraqi P922 (ex-Tariq Ibn Ziyad) 1986 Ex-Iraqi P920 Saettia 1987 P495 Bambu 1956 P496 Mango 1956 P497 Mogano 1956 P500 Palma 1956 Mine Warfare M5554 Gaeta 1993 La Spezia M5555 Termoli 1993 La Spezia M5556 Alghero 1993 La Spezia M5557 Numana 1994 La Spezia M5558 Crotone 1994 La Spezia M5559 Viareggio 1996 La Spezia M5560 Chioggia 1997 La Spezia M5561 Rimini 1998 La Spezia M5550 Lerici 1985 La Spezia M5551 Sapri 1985 La Spezia M5552 Milazzo 1985 La Spezia M5553 Vieste 1985 La Spezia M5430 Salome 1956 reserve M5431 Storione 1956 reserve M5432 Sgombro 1957 reserve M5433 Squalo 1957 reserve M5538 Loto 1957 reserve M5540 Timo 1957 reserve M5542 Vischio 1957 reserve Auxilaries over 1000 tons displacement A5384 Panarea 1984 ex-Iraqi Stromboli class tanker A5377 Tirso 1994 water tanker A5376 Ticino 1994 water tanker A5375 Simeto 1988 water tanker A5358 Brenta 1972 water tanker A5357 Bradano 1971 water tanker A5356 Basento 1971 water tanker A5354 Piave 1973 water tanker A5329 Vesuvio 1978 AOR A5327 Stromboli 1975 AOR A5326 Etna 1998 Taranto AOR A5310 Proteo 1951 salvage/sub tender A5309 Anteo 1980 salvage/sub tender A5303 Ammiraglio Magnaghi 1975 A5301 Pietro Cavezzale 1943 SF support vessel Small Combatant Craft: Customs Service operates 238 craft from 1.8 to 210 tons displacement, armed with 30 mm or 20mm cannon or machineguns Coast Guard operates 130 craft of up to 100 tons displacement. Aviation: Naval: 1st Grupelicot SH-3D/H Luni 2nd Grupelicot AB-212 Luni 3rd Grupelicot SH-3D/H Catania 4th Grupelicot AB-212 Taranto 5th Grupelicot AB-212 Catania Gruppo Aerei Imbarcati AV-18B, TAV-8B Air Force: 41st Stormo 9 Atlantique Catania 30th Stormo 9 Atlantique Cagliari 156th Gruppo 18 Tornado IDS Gioia del Colle maritime strike tasking Coast Guard: 1st Nucleo Aviazione Guardia Costiera 4 P-166 LaSpezia 1st Sezione di Volo Elicotteri Guardia Costiera 12 AB412, 4 AB-212 LaSpezia 2nd Nucleo Aviazione Guardia Costiera 4 P-166 Catania 3rd Nucleo Aviazione Guardia Costiera 4 P-166 Pescara Customs Service 1st Gruppo Osservazione 10 P-166 Practica del Mar 2nd Gruppo Esplorazione Marittima 3 ATR-42 MP chico20854 ************ chico20854 More info from the naval war group. Please let me know if you see any ommissions or errors. (On this and the Italian Navy, there was no end of Cold War drawdown). French Navy, 1 JAN 97, Twilight War Carriers commissioned fleet base notes R91 Charles de Gaulle 1997 R99 Foch 1963 R98 Clemenceau 1961 Surface Combatants R97 Jeanne D'Arc 1964 ATL Brest C611 Colbert 1959 MED Toulon flagship R602 Suffren 1967 MED Toulon D603 Duquesne 1970 MED Toulon D610 Tourville 1974 ATL Brest D612 De Grasse 1977 ATL Brest D614 Cassard 1988 MED Toulon D615 Jean Bart 1991 MED Toulon D640 Georges Leygues 1979 MED Toulon D641 Dupleix 1981 MED Toulon D642 Montcalm 1982 MED Toulon D643 Jean de Vienne 1984 MED Toulon D644 Primauguet 1986 ATL Brest D645 La Motte-Picquet 1988 MED Toulon D646 Latouche-Treville 1990 ATL Brest D611 Duguay-Trouin 1975 ATL Brest flagship D609 Aconit 1973 ATL Brest D625 Dupetit Thouars 1956 reserve D630 Du Chayla 1957 reserve D633 Duperre 1957 reserve D638 La Galissonniere 1962 reserve F710 Lafayette 1995 MED Toulon F711 Surcouf 1997 MED Toulon F712 Courbet 1997 MED Toulon F730 Floreal 1991 IO La Reunion F731 Prairial 1992 PAC Papeete F732 Nivose 1992 PAC Noumea F733 Ventose 1993 ATL Fort-de-France F734 Vendermaire 1993 PAC Noumea F735 Germinal 1994 ATL F781 D'Estienne D'Orves 1976 3d Divison de Avisos F782 Amyou D'Inville 1976 2d Divison de Avisos F783 Drogou 1976 MED Toulon F784 Detroyet 1977 F785 Jean Moulin 1977 F786 Quartier Maitre Anquetil 1978 MED F787 Commandant DePimodan 1978 F788 Second-Maitre le Bihan 1979 ATL Brest F789 Lieutenant de Vaisseau le Henaff 1980 ATL Brest F790 Lieutenant de Vaisseau Lavallee 1980 MED Toulon F791 Commandant L'Herminier 1986 ATL Brest F792 Premier-Maitre L'her 1981 MED Toulon F793 Commandant Blaison 1982 MED Toulon F794 Enseigne De Vaisseau Jacoubet 1982 MED Toulon F795 Commandant Ducuing 1983 MED Toulon F796 Commandant Birot 1984 MED Toulon F797 Commandant Bouan 1984 MED Toulon F726 Commandant Bory 1964 reserve F727 Amiral Charner 1962 reserve F728 Doudart De Lagree 1963 reserve F729 Balny 1970 ATL Brest training F740 Commandant Bourdais 1963 reserve F748 Protet 1964 reserve F749 Enseigne de Vaisseau Henry 1965 reserve Submarines S616 Le Triomphant 1997 ATL Brest SSBN S613 L'Indomptable 1976 ATL Brest SSBN S615 L'Inflexible 1985 ATL Brest SSBN S610 Le Foudroyant 1974 ATL Brest SSBN S611 Le Redoutable 1971 ATL Brest SSBN S612 Le Terrible 1973 ATL Brest SSBN S614 Le Tonnant 1980 ATL Brest SSBN S601 Rubis 1983 MED Toulon SSN S602 Saphir 1984 MED Toulon SSN S603 Casabianca 1987 MED Toulon SSN S604 Emeraude 1988 MED Toulon SSN S605 Amethyste 1992 ATL Lorient SSN S606 Perle 1993 ATL Lorient SSN S607 Turqoise 1995 ATL Lorient SSN S608 Diamant 1996 ATL Lorient SSN S620 Agosta 1977 ATL Lorient SS S621 Beveziers 1977 ATL Lorient SS S622 La Praya 1978 ATL Lorient SS S623 Ouessant 1978 ATL Lorient SS S643 Doris 1964 reserve SS S648 Junom 1966 reserve SS S649 Venus 1966 MED Toulon SS S650 Psyche 1969 MED Toulon SS S651 Sirene 1970 MED Toulon SS Amphibious Ships L9011 Foudre 1990 MED Toulon L9012 Siroco 1998 ATL Brest L9021 Ouragan 1965 ATL Brest L9022 Orage 1968 MED Toulon L9030 Champlain 1974 ATL Fort-de-France L9031 Francis Garnier 1974 ATL Fort-de-France L9032 Dumont D'Urville 1983 PAC Papeete L9033 Jacques Cartier 1983 PAC Noumea L9034 La Grandiere 1987 IO La Reunion L9077 Bougainville 1988 PAC Papeete L9090 Gapeau 1987 MED Toulon L9051 -- 1987 PAC Papeete L9052 -- 1987 IO Djibouti L9061 -- 1988 MED Toulon L9062 -- 1989 MED Toulon L9070 -- 1967 MED Toulon L9072 -- 1968 PAC Papeete L9074 -- 1970 PAC Papeete L9096 -- 1958 MED Toulon Patrol Craft P676 Flamant 1996 ATL Cherbourg P677 Cormoran 1996 ATL Brest P678 Fluvier 1997 ATL Cherbourg P679 Grebe 1990 ATL Brest P680 Sterne 1980 ATL Brest P681 Albatros 1967/83 IO La Reunion P682 L'audacieuse 1986 ATL Cherbourg P683 La Boudeuse 1986 IO La Reunion P684 La Capricieuse 1986 ATL Cayenne P685 La Fougueuse 1987 ATL Fort-de-France P686 La Glorieuse 1987 PAC Noumea P687 La Gracieuse 1987 ATL Cayenne P688 La Moqueuse 1987 PAC Noumea P689 La Railleuse 1987 PAC Papeete P690 La Rieuse 1987 IO La Reunion P691 La Tapageuse 1988 PAC Papeete P740 Fulmar 1983/96 P748 Leopard 1982 ATL Lorient training ship used for patrol P749 Panthere 1982 ATL Lorient training ship used for patrol P750 Jaguar 1982 ATL Lorient training ship used for patrol P751 Lynx 1982 ATL Lorient training ship used for patrol P752 Guepard 1983 ATL Cherbourg training ship used for patrol P753 Chaeal 1983 ATL Cherbourg training ship used for patrol P754 Tigre 1983 ATL Cherbourg training ship used for patrol P755 Lion 1983 ATL Cherbourg training ship used for patrol Mine Warfare M641 Eridan 1984 ATL Brest M642 Cassiopee 1984 ATL Brest M643 Andromede 1984 ATL Brest M644 Pegase 1985 ATL Brest M645 Orion 1986 ATL Brest M646 Croix Du Sud 1986 ATL Brest M647 Aigle 1987 MED Toulon M648 Lyre 1987 MED Toulon M649 Persee 1988 MED Toulon M650 Sagittaire 1996 ATL Brest M770 Antares 1994 ATL Brest port service M771 Altair 1995 ATL Brest port service M772 Aldebaran 1995 ATL Brest port service M773 Canopus 1996 ATL Cherbourg port service M774 Vega 1996 ATL Cherbourg port service M775 Algol 1996 ATL Cherbourg port service M776 Aires 1997 MED Toulon port service M777 Rigel 1995 MED Toulon port service M778 Betelgeuse 1996 MED Toulon port service M779 Cephee 1997 MED Toulon port service M611 Vulcain 1986 ATL Cherbourg tender M612 Pluton 1986 MED Toulon tender M613 Acheron 1987 MED Toulon tender M614 Styx 1987 ATL Brest tender M712 Cybele 1972 reserve M713 Calliope 1972 reserve M714 Clio 1972 reserve M715 Circe 1972 reserve M716 Ceres 1973 reserve M660 Narvik 1994 ATL Cherbourg M661 Autun 1995 ATL Cherbourg M662 Bir Hakeim 1995 ATL Cherbourg M663 Colmar 1996 ATL Cherbourg M664 Garigliano 1996 ATL Cherbourg M665 Berlaimont 1997 MED Toulon M666 Cantho 1995 MED Toulon M667 Origny 1996 MED Toulon M668 Vihn Long 1996 MED Toulon M669 Berneval 1997 MED Toulon Auxilaries over 1000 tons displacement A601 Monge 1992 ATL Brest missile tracking A603 Henri Poncare 1968 ATL Brest missile tracking A607 Meuse 1980 MED Toulon AOR A608 Var 1983 IO La Reunion AOR A610 Ile D'Orleron 1945 MED Toulon test ship A615 Loire 1967 ATL Brest minesweeper support A617 Garonne 1965 IO La Reunion repair A618 Rance 1966 MED Toulon Flagship for FAR, hospital ship A620 Jules Verne 1976 IO La Reunion fleet tender A621 Rhin 1964 ATL Fort-de-France electronics repair A622 Rhone 1964 ATL Brest sub support ship A625 Papenoo 1971 PAC Muraroa T-AOG A629 Durance 1979 ATL Brest AOR A630 Marne 1987 MED Toulon AOR A631 Somme 1990 MED Toulon AOR A632 Punaruu 1971 PAC Muraroa T-AOG A634 Rari 1985 PAC Muraroa supply tug A635 Revi 1985 PAC Muraroa supply tug A644 Berry 1958/1974 MED Toulon AGI A664 Malabar 1976 ATL Brest ocean tug A669 Tenace 1973 ATL Brest ocean tug A674 Centaure 1974 ATL Brest ocean tug A733 Commandant Riviere 1962 ATL Brest ex-Frigate, sonar trials ship A756 L'Esperance 1962/69 ATL Brest survey A757 D'Entrecasteaux 1970 ATL Brest survey A785 Thetis 1988 ATL Brest mine warfare test ship A791 La Perouse 1988 ATL Brest survey A792 Borda 1988 ATL Brest survey A793 Laplace 1989 PAC Noumea survey A795 Arago 1991 PAC Papeete survey Abeille Bretagne 1979/1990 PAC Muraroa salvage tug Abeille Flandre 1978/?? ATL Brest Ex-N.Suecia, powerful salvage tug Abeille Languedoc 1979/?? ATL Cherbourg Ex-N.Gothia, powerful salvage tug Abeille Supporter 1975/?? ATL Lorient sub support tug Ailette 1982/88 ATL Brest Ex-Cyrus, buoy tender Albacore 1983 MED Toulon Ex-Beryl Fish, mooring tender Alcyon 1981/88 ATL Brest Ex-Bahram, buoy tender Carangue 1980/95 MED Toulon salvage tug Girelle 1983/1987 MED Toulon salvage tug Langevin 1980/90 MED Toulon sub research Mascarin 1986 T-AO Merou 1982/87 MED Toulon salvage tug Penhors 1986 T-AO Port Vendres 1973 MED Toulon T-AO Small Combatant Craft: Customs Service operates 77 craft up to 105 tons displacement, armed with machineguns Gendarme operate 52 craft from 7 to 180 tons displacement. Maritime Police operate 37 craft of up to 75 tons displacement. Aviation: Naval: 4F 8 Alize Lorient total of 25 in inventory 6F 8 Alize Nimes-Garons 11F 12 Super Etendard Landivisiau total of 56 in inventory 12F 12 F-8E Crusader/Rafale M Landivisiau 18 modernized, 8 more in store 14F 12 Super Etendard Landivisiau 16F 8 Entendard IV-P Landivisiau total of 11 in inventory 17F 12 Super Etendard Hyeres 21F 8 Atlantique NG Nimes-Garons total of 34 in inventory plus 5 delivered a year 22F 8 Atlantique NG Nimes-Garons 23F 8 Atlantique NG Lorient 24F 8 Atlantique NG Lorient 28F N262, EMB121 Nimes-Garons 25F 3, 6 Gardian, Alouette III Fort-de-France 26F 8 Falcon 50, EMB121AN Lorient 31F 14 Lynx St Mandrier total of 38 in inventory 32F 6 Super Frelon Lanveoc-Poulmic total of 18 in inventory 33F 6 Super Frelon St Mandrier 34F 14 Lynx Lanveoc-Poulmic 35F 12 Dauphin 2/Panther Lanveoc-Poulmic 7 Dauphin, 20 Panther in inventory 26F Panther Hyeres 2S Navajo, Nord 262 Lann Bihoue 3S Navajo, Falcon, Nord 262 Hyeres 9S 2 Gardian New Caldonia MR 10S Alize, Navajo, Xingu 11S LeBourget Nord 262, Xingu 12S 3, 6 Gardian, Alouette III Papeete MR 20S Alouette II and III, Super Frelon St Raphael trials support 22S Alouette II and III Lanveoc-Poulmic SAR 23S Alouette II and III St Mandrier SAR 50S MS880 Lanveoc-Poulmic 51S CAP 10 trainers Rochefort initial pilot tng 52S Xingu Lann Bihoue flying school 55S Nord 262 Aspretto twin engine tng 56S Nord 262 Nimes-Garons flying school 57S Falcon 10MER Landivisiau support/MR 59S Super Etendard, Entendard IV, Fouga Magister Hyeres fighter school, Magisters transferred to light strike role? Air Force: EDCA36 4 E-3F Avord AEW ET64 5 C-160H Evreux TACAMO chico20854 ************ chico20854 Unified German Navy, 1 Sep 1996 (Twilight War) United German Navy, 1 SEP 96, Twilight War Major Surface Combatants D181 Hamburg 1964 FRG Wilhelmshaven 2. Zerstörergeschwader (2nd Destroyer Squadron) D182 Schleswig-Holstein I 1964 FRG Wilhelmshaven 2. Zerstörergeschwader (2nd Destroyer Squadron) D183 Bayern I 1965 FRG Wilhelmshaven 2. Zerstörergeschwader (2nd Destroyer Squadron) D184 Hessen 1968 FRG Wilhelmshaven 2. Zerstörergeschwader (2nd Destroyer Squadron) D185 Lutjens 1969 FRG Kiel 1. Zerstörergeschwader (1st Destroyer Squadron) D186 Molders 1969 FRG Kiel 1. Zerstörergeschwader (1st Destroyer Squadron) D187 Rommel 1970 FRG Kiel 1. Zerstörergeschwader (1st Destroyer Squadron) F215 Brandenburg 1994 FRG Wilhelmshaven 6. Fregattengeschwader (6th Frigate Squadron) F216 Schleswig-Holstein II 1995 FRG Wilhelmshaven 6. Fregattengeschwader (6th Frigate Squadron) F217 Bayern II 1996 FRG Wilhelmshaven 6. Fregattengeschwader (6th Frigate Squadron) F218 Mecklenburg-Vorpommern 1996 FRG Wilhelmshaven 6. Fregattengeschwader (6th Frigate Squadron) F207 Bremen 1982 FRG Wilhelmshaven 4. Fregattengeschwader (4th Frigate Squadron) F208 Niedersachsen 1982 FRG Wilhelmshaven 4. Fregattengeschwader (4th Frigate Squadron) F209 Rheinland-Pfalz 1983 FRG Wilhelmshaven 4. Fregattengeschwader (4th Frigate Squadron) F210 Emden 1983 FRG Wilhelmshaven 4. Fregattengeschwader (4th Frigate Squadron) F211 Koln 1984 FRG Wilhelmshaven 2. Fregattengeschwader (2nd Frigate Squadron) F212 Karlsruhe 1984 FRG Wilhelmshaven 2. Fregattengeschwader (2nd Frigate Squadron) F213 Augsburg 1989 FRG Wilhelmshaven 2. Fregattengeschwader (2nd Frigate Squadron) F214 Lubeck 1990 FRG Wilhelmshaven 2. Fregattengeschwader (2nd Frigate Squadron) 141 Rostock Koni-class 1978 DDR Rostock 4. Coastal protection ship brigade, 4.KSSBr 142 Berlin Koni-class 1979 DDR Rostock 4. Coastal protection ship brigade, 4.KSSBr 143 Halle Koni-class 1986 DDR Rostock 4. Coastal protection ship brigade, 4.KSSBr 121 Ernst Thaelmann Riga-class 1956 DDR Rostock 4. Coastal protection ship brigade, 4.KSSBr 122 Karl Marx Riga-class 1957 DDR Rostock 4. Coastal protection ship brigade, 4.KSSBr 123 Karl Liebknecht Riga-class 1958 DDR Rostock 4. Coastal protection ship brigade, 4.KSSBr 124 Friedrich Engels Riga-class 1959 DDR Rostock 4. Coastal protection ship brigade, 4.KSSBr 571 Albin Köbis Tarantul I-class 1984 DDR Dranske 7. Light torpedo speedboat brigade Fritz Globig, 7.LTSB 572 Rudolf Egelhofer Tarantul I-class 1984 DDR Dranske 7. Light torpedo speedboat brigade Fritz Globig, 7.LTSB 573 Fritz Globig Tarantul I-class 1985 DDR Dranske 7. Light torpedo speedboat brigade Fritz Globig, 7.LTSB 574 Hans Beimler Tarantul I-class 1985 DDR Dranske 7. Light torpedo speedboat brigade Fritz Globig, 7.LTSB 575 Paul Eisenschneider Tarantul I-class 1986 DDR Dranske 7. Light torpedo speedboat brigade Fritz Globig, 7.LTSB Submarines S180 U1 1967 FRG Kiel 1st Squadron S181 U2 1966 FRG Kiel 1st Squadron S188 U9 1967 FRG Kiel 1st Squadron S189 U10 1968 FRG Kiel 1st Squadron S190 U11 1968/88 FRG Kiel target training S191 U12 1969/92 FRG Kiel target training S192 U13 1973 FRG Kiel 1st Squadron S193 U14 1973 FRG Kiel 1st Squadron S194 U15 1974 FRG Eckernforde 3rd Squadron S195 U16 1973 FRG Eckernforde 3rd Squadron S196 U17 1973 FRG Eckernforde 3rd Squadron S197 U18 1973 FRG Eckernforde 3rd Squadron S198 U19 1973 FRG Kiel 1st Squadron S199 U20 1974 FRG Kiel 1st Squadron S170 U21 1974 FRG S171 U22 1974 FRG Eckernforde 3rd Squadron S172 U23 1975 FRG Eckernforde 3rd Squadron S173 U24 1974 FRG Eckernforde 3rd Squadron S174 U25 1974 FRG Eckernforde 3rd Squadron S175 U26 1975 FRG Eckernforde 3rd Squadron S176 U27 1974 FRG S177 U28 1974 FRG Eckernforde 3rd Squadron S178 U29 1974 FRG Eckernforde 3rd Squadron S179 U30 1975 FRG Eckernforde 3rd Squadron Patrol Craft over 100 tons P6111 Albatros (S61) 1976 FRG Warnemuende 2.*Schnellbootgeschwader (Fast attack craft squadron) P6112 Falke (S62) 1976 FRG Warnemuende 2.*Schnellbootgeschwader (Fast attack craft squadron) P6113 Geier (S63) 1976 FRG Warnemuende 2.*Schnellbootgeschwader (Fast attack craft squadron) P6114 Bussard (S64) 1976 FRG Warnemuende 2.*Schnellbootgeschwader (Fast attack craft squadron) P6115 Sperber (S65) 1976 FRG Warnemeunde 2.*Schnellbootgeschwader (Fast attack craft squadron) P6116 Greif (S66) 1976 FRG Warnemuende 7.*Schnellbootgeschwader (Fast attack craft squadron) P6117 Kondor (S67) 1976 FRG Warnemuende 7.*Schnellbootgeschwader (Fast attack craft squadron) P6118 Seeadler (S68) 1977 FRG Warnemuende 7.*Schnellbootgeschwader (Fast attack craft squadron) P6119 Habicht (S69) 1977 FRG Warnemuende 7.*Schnellbootgeschwader (Fast attack craft squadron) P6120 Kormoran (S70) 1977 FRG Warnemuende 7.*Schnellbootgeschwader (Fast attack craft squadron) P6121 Gepard (S71) 1982 FRG Warnemuende 7.*Schnellbootgeschwader (Fast attack craft squadron) P6122 Puma (S72) 1983 FRG Warnemuende 7.*Schnellbootgeschwader (Fast attack craft squadron) P6123 Hermelin (S73) 1983 FRG Warnemuende 7.*Schnellbootgeschwader (Fast attack craft squadron) P6124 Nerz (S74) 1983 FRG Warnemuende 7.*Schnellbootgeschwader (Fast attack craft squadron) P6125 Zobel (S75) 1983 FRG Warnemuende 7.*Schnellbootgeschwader (Fast attack craft squadron) P6126 Frettchen (S76) 1983 FRG Warnemuende 2.*Schnellbootgeschwader (Fast attack craft squadron) P6127 Dachs (S77) 1984 FRG Warnemuende 2.*Schnellbootgeschwader (Fast attack craft squadron) P6128 Ozelot (S78) 1984 FRG Warnemuende 2.*Schnellbootgeschwader (Fast attack craft squadron) P6129 Wiesel (S79) 1984 FRG Warnemuende 2.*Schnellbootgeschwader (Fast attack craft squadron) P6130 Hyane (S80) 1984 FRG Warnemuende 2.*Schnellbootgeschwader (Fast attack craft squadron) P6141 Tiger (S41) 1972 FRG Flensburg 3.*Schnellbootgeschwader (3rd Fast attack craft squadron) P6142 Iltis (S42) 1973 FRG Flensburg 3.*Schnellbootgeschwader (3rd Fast attack craft squadron) P6143 Luchs (S43) 1973 FRG Flensburg 3.*Schnellbootgeschwader (3rd Fast attack craft squadron) P6144 Marder (S44) 1973 FRG Flensburg 3.*Schnellbootgeschwader (3rd Fast attack craft squadron) P6145 Leopard (S45) 1973 FRG Flensburg 3.*Schnellbootgeschwader (3rd Fast attack craft squadron) P6146 Fuchs (S46) 1973 FRG Flensburg 3.*Schnellbootgeschwader (3rd Fast attack craft squadron) P6147 Jaguar (S47) 1974 FRG Flensburg 3.*Schnellbootgeschwader (3rd Fast attack craft squadron) P6148 Lowe (S48) 1974 FRG Olpenitz 5.*Schnellbootgeschwader (5th Fast attack craft squadron) P6149 Wolf (S49) 1974 FRG Flensburg 3.*Schnellbootgeschwader (3rd Fast attack craft squadron) P6150 Panther (S50) 1974 FRG Olpenitz 5.*Schnellbootgeschwader (5th Fast attack craft squadron) P6151 Häher (S51) 1974 FRG P6152 Storch (S52) 1974 FRG P6153 Pelikan (S53) 1974 FRG Olpenitz 5.*Schnellbootgeschwader (5th Fast attack craft squadron) P6154 Elster (S54) 1974 FRG P6155 Alk (S55) 1975 FRG Olpenitz 5.*Schnellbootgeschwader (5th Fast attack craft squadron) P6156 Dommel (S56) 1975 FRG Olpenitz 5.*Schnellbootgeschwader (5th Fast attack craft squadron) P6157 Weihe (S57) 1975 FRG Olpenitz 5.*Schnellbootgeschwader (5th Fast attack craft squadron) P6158 Pinguin (S58) 1975 FRG Olpenitz 5.*Schnellbootgeschwader (5th Fast attack craft squadron) P6159 Reiher (S59) 1975 FRG Olpenitz 5.*Schnellbootgeschwader (5th Fast attack craft squadron) P6160 Kranich (S60) 1975 FRG 211 Gadebusch Parchim-class corvette 1985 DDR Peenemunde 1. Submarine defense ship battalion, 1.UAWSA 212 Grevesmühlen Parchim-class corvette 1985 DDR Peenemunde 1. Submarine defense ship battalion, 1.UAWSA 213 Bergen Parchim-class corvette 1985 DDR Peenemunde 1. Submarine defense ship battalion, 1.UAWSA 214 Angermünde Parchim-class corvette 1984 DDR Peenemunde 1. Submarine defense ship battalion, 1.UAWSA 221 Perleberg Parchim-class corvette 1981 DDR Rostock 2. Submarine defense ship battalion, 2.UAWSA 222 Wismar Parchim-class corvette 1982 DDR Rostock 2. Submarine defense ship battalion, 2.UAWSA 223 Ludwigslust Parchim-class corvette 1982 DDR Rostock 2. Submarine defense ship battalion, 2.UAWSA 224 Waren Parchim-class corvette 1982 DDR Rostock 2. Submarine defense ship battalion, 2.UAWSA 231 Prenzlau Parchim-class corvette 1984 DDR Peenemunde 3. Submarine defense ship battalion, 3.UAWSA 231 Teterow Parchim-class corvette 1984 DDR Peenemunde 3. Submarine defense ship battalion, 3.UAWSA 233 Ribnitz-Damgarten Parchim-class corvette 1982 DDR Peenemunde 3. Submarine defense ship battalion, 3.UAWSA 234 Güstrow Parchim-class corvette 1982 DDR Peenemunde 3. Submarine defense ship battalion, 3.UAWSA 241 Lübz Parchim-class corvette 1981 DDR Rostock 4. Submarine defense ship battalion, 4.UAWSA 242 Parchim Parchim-class corvette 1981 DDR Rostock 4. Submarine defense ship battalion, 4.UAWSA 243 Bützow Parchim-class corvette 1981 DDR Rostock 4. Submarine defense ship battalion, 4.UAWSA 244 Bad Doberan Parchim-class corvette 1981 DDR Rostock 4. Submarine defense ship battalion, 4.UAWSA 711 Heinrich Dorrenbach OSA-1 class 1966 DDR Dranske 1. Rocket torpedo speedboat brigade, 1.RTSB 713 Richard Sorge OSA-1 class 1966 DDR Dranske 1. Rocket torpedo speedboat brigade, 1.RTSB 712 Walter Krämer OSA-1 class 1966 DDR Dranske 1. Rocket torpedo speedboat brigade, 1.RTSB 714 Fritz Gast OSA-1 class 1966 DDR Dranske 1. Rocket torpedo speedboat brigade, 1.RTSB 734 Albert Gast OSA-1 class 1966 DDR Dranske 3. Rocket torpedo speedboat brigade, 3.RTSB 732 August Lüttgens OSA-1 class 1966 DDR Dranske 3. Rocket torpedo speedboat brigade, 3.RTSB 753 Josef Schares OSA-1 class 1966 DDR Dranske 5. Rocket torpedo speedboat brigade, 5.RTSB 733 Karl Meseberg OSA-1 class 1966 DDR Dranske 3. Rocket torpedo speedboat brigade, 3.RTSB 751 Max Reichpietsch OSA-1 class 1966 DDR Dranske 5. Rocket torpedo speedboat brigade, 5.RTSB 731 Otto Tost OSA-1 class 1966 DDR Dranske 3. Rocket torpedo speedboat brigade, 3.RTSB 752 Paul Schulz OSA-1 class 1966 DDR Dranske 5. Rocket torpedo speedboat brigade, 5.RTSB 754 Paul Wieczorek OSA-1 class 1966 DDR Dranske 5. Rocket torpedo speedboat brigade, 5.RTSB 811 Edgar Andre Shershen class 1969 DDR Dranske 1. Rocket torpedo speedboat brigade, 1.RTSB 812 Hans Coppi Shershen class 1968 DDR Dranske 1. Rocket torpedo speedboat brigade, 1.RTSB 813 Arvid Harnack Shershen class 1971 DDR Dranske 1. Rocket torpedo speedboat brigade, 1.RTSB 814 Adam Kuckhoff Shershen class 1969 DDR Dranske 1. Rocket torpedo speedboat brigade, 1.RTSB 815 Wilhelm Florin Shershen class 1969 DDR Dranske 1. Rocket torpedo speedboat brigade, 1.RTSB 816 Artur Becker Shershen class 1968 DDR reserve 831 Willi Bänsch Shershen class 1968 DDR Dranske 5. Rocket torpedo speedboat brigade, 5.RTSB 832 Bruno Kühn Shershen class 1971 DDR Dranske 5. Rocket torpedo speedboat brigade, 5.RTSB 833 Ernst Grube Shershen class 1970 DDR Dranske 5. Rocket torpedo speedboat brigade, 5.RTSB 834 Fritz Heckert Shershen class 1969 DDR Dranske 5. Rocket torpedo speedboat brigade, 5.RTSB 835 Ernst Schneller Shershen class 1970 DDR Dranske 5. Rocket torpedo speedboat brigade, 5.RTSB 836 Bernhard Bästlein Shershen class 1968 DDR reserve 851 Fritz Behn Shershen class 1970 DDR reserve 852 Rudolf Breitscheid Shershen class 1970 DDR reserve 853 Anton Saefkow Shershen class 1970 DDR reserve 854 Fiete Schulze Shershen class 1970 DDR reserve 855 Heinz Kapelle Shershen class 1971 DDR reserve 856 Walter Husemann Shershen class 1969 DDR reserve 591 Sassnitz BALCOM-10 1986 DDR Dranske 9. Light torpedo speedboat brigade Karl Baier, 9.LTSB 592 Ostseebad Sellin BALCOM-10 1989 DDR Dranske 9. Light torpedo speedboat brigade Karl Baier, 9.LTSB 593 Ostseebad Binz BALCOM-10 1990 DDR Dranske 9. Light torpedo speedboat brigade Karl Baier, 9.LTSB (additional BALCOM-10s built) Amphibious Craft 611 Hoyerswerda 1976 DDR Peenemuende 1. Landing ship battalion, 1.LSA 612 Schwerin 1977 DDR Peenemuende 1. Landing ship battalion, 1.LSA 613 Frankfurt/Oder 1977 DDR Peenemuende 1. Landing ship battalion, 1.LSA 614 Cottbus 1978 DDR Peenemuende 1. Landing ship battalion, 1.LSA 615 Eisenhüttenstadt 1979 DDR Peenemuende 1. Landing ship battalion, 1.LSA 616 Grimmen 1979 DDR Peenemuende 1. Landing ship battalion, 1.LSA 631 Luebben 1978 DDR Peenemuende 3. Landing ship battalion, 3.LSA 632 Hagenow 1976 DDR Peenemuende 3. Landing ship battalion, 3.LSA 633 Neubrandenburg 1977 DDR Peenemuende 3. Landing ship battalion, 3.LSA 634 Eberswalde Finow 1977 DDR Peenemuende 3. Landing ship battalion, 3.LSA 635 Anklam 1978 DDR Peenemuende 3. Landing ship battalion, 3.LSA 636 Schwedt 1979 DDR Peenemuende 3. Landing ship battalion, 3.LSA Mine Warfare Vessels M1052 Hansa Krebs class FRG reserve M1051 Castor Krebs class FRG reserve M1054 Pollux Krebs class FRG reserve M1086 Sirius Krebs class FRG reserve M1087 Orion Krebs class FRG reserve M1088 Regulus Krebs class FRG reserve M1058 Mars Krebs class FRG reserve M1059 Spica Krebs class FRG reserve M1060 Weiden Frankenthal class 1993 FRG Olpenitz 1. Minensuchgeschwader (1st mine sweeper squadron) M1061 Rottweil Frankenthal class 1993 FRG Olpenitz 1. Minensuchgeschwader (1st mine sweeper squadron) M1062 Sulzbach-Rosenberg Frankenthal class 1996 FRG Olpenitz 3. Minensuchgeschwader (3. mine sweeper squadron) M1063 Bad Bevensen Frankenthal class 1993 FRG Olpenitz 1. Minensuchgeschwader (1st mine sweeper squadron) M1064 Gromitz Frankenthal class 1994 FRG Olpenitz 1. Minensuchgeschwader (1st mine sweeper squadron) M1065 Dillingen Frankenthal class 1995 FRG Olpenitz 1. Minensuchgeschwader (1st mine sweeper squadron) M1066 Frankenthal Frankenthal class 1992 FRG Olpenitz 3. Minensuchgeschwader (3. mine sweeper squadron) M1067 Bad Rappenau Frankenthal class 1994 FRG Olpenitz 3. Minensuchgeschwader (3. mine sweeper squadron) M1068 Datteln Frankenthal class 1994 FRG Olpenitz M1069 Homburg Frankenthal class 1995 FRG Olpenitz M1070 Fulda Frankenthal class 1998 FRG Olpenitz M1071 Weilheim Frankenthal class 1998 FRG Olpenitz M1090 Pegnitz Hameln class 1990 FRG Olpenitz 5.*Minensuchgeschwader (5. mine sweeper squadron) M1091 Kulmbach Hameln class 1990 FRG Olpenitz 3. Minensuchgeschwader (3. mine sweeper squadron) M1092 Hameln Hameln class 1989 FRG Olpenitz 5.*Minensuchgeschwader (5. mine sweeper squadron) M1093 Auerbach Hameln class 1991 FRG Olpenitz 5.*Minensuchgeschwader (5. mine sweeper squadron) M1094 Ensdorf Hameln class 1990 FRG Olpenitz 5.*Minensuchgeschwader (5. mine sweeper squadron) M1095 Uberherrn Hameln class 1989 FRG Olpenitz 3. Minensuchgeschwader (3. mine sweeper squadron) M1096 Passau Hameln class 1990 FRG Olpenitz 3. Minensuchgeschwader (3. mine sweeper squadron) M1097 Laboe Hameln class 1989 FRG Olpenitz 3. Minensuchgeschwader (3. mine sweeper squadron) M1098 Sieburg Hameln class 1990 FRG Olpenitz 5.*Minensuchgeschwader (5. mine sweeper squadron) M1099 Hertne Hameln class 1991 FRG Olpenitz 3. Minensuchgeschwader (3. mine sweeper squadron) M2650 Ariadne Ariadne class 1960 FRG M2651 Freya Ariadne class 1960 FRG M2652 Vineta Ariadne class 1960 FRG M2653 Hertha Ariadne class 1961 FRG M2654 Nymphe Ariadne class 1960 FRG M2655 Nixe Ariadne class 1962 FRG M2656 Amazone Ariadne class 1963 FRG M2657 Gazelle Ariadne class 1963 FRG M2658 Frauenlob Frauenlob class 1966 FRG Neustadt M2659 Nautilus Frauenlob class 1966 FRG M2660 Gefion Frauenlob class 1967 FRG Neustadt M2661 Medusa Frauenlob class 1967 FRG Neustadt M2662 Undine Frauenlob class 1967 FRG Neustadt M2663 Minerva Frauenlob class 1967 FRG M2664 Diana Frauenlob class 1967 FRG M2665 Loreley Frauenlob class 1968 FRG Neustadt M2666 Atlantis Frauenlob class 1968 FRG M2667 Acheron Frauenlob class 1968 FRG 311 Sömmerda Kondor class DDR Peenemuende 1. Mine search and sweeping battalion, 1.MSRA 312 Eisleben Kondor class DDR Peenemuende 1. Mine search and sweeping battalion, 1.MSRA 313 Tangerhütte Kondor class DDR Peenemuende 1. Mine search and sweeping battalion, 1.MSRA 314 Stralsund Kondor class DDR Peenemuende 1. Mine search and sweeping battalion, 1.MSRA 314 Zeitz Kondor class DDR reserve 315 Wittstock Kondor class DDR Peenemuende 1. Mine search and sweeping battalion, 1.MSRA 316 Zerbst Kondor class DDR Peenemuende 1. Mine search and sweeping battalion, 1.MSRA 321 Kyritz Kondor class DDR Rostock 2. Mine search and sweeping battalion, 2.MSRA 322 Riesa Kondor class DDR Rostock 2. Mine search and sweeping battalion, 2.MSRA 323 Wilhelm-Pieck-Stadt-Guben Kondor class DDR Rostock 2. Mine search and sweeping battalion, 2.MSRA 324 Röbel Kondor class DDR Rostock 2. Mine search and sweeping battalion, 2.MSRA 325 Pritzwalk Kondor class DDR Rostock 2. Mine search and sweeping battalion, 2.MSRA 326 Rathenow Kondor class DDR Rostock 2. Mine search and sweeping battalion, 2.MSRA 331 Dessau Kondor class DDR Peenemuende 3. Mine search and sweeping battalion, 3.MSRA 332 Bitterfeld Kondor class DDR Peenemuende 3. Mine search and sweeping battalion, 3.MSRA 333 Gransee Kondor class DDR Peenemuende 3. Mine search and sweeping battalion, 3.MSRA 334 Schönebeck Kondor class DDR Peenemuende 3. Mine search and sweeping battalion, 3.MSRA 335 Altenburg Kondor class DDR Peenemuende 3. Mine search and sweeping battalion, 3.MSRA 336 Grimma Kondor class DDR Peenemuende 3. Mine search and sweeping battalion, 3.MSRA 341 Oranienburg Kondor class DDR Rostock 4. Mine search and sweeping battalion, 4.MSRA 342 Jüterbog Kondor class DDR Rostock 4. Mine search and sweeping battalion, 4.MSRA 343 Bernau Kondor class DDR Rostock 4. Mine search and sweeping battalion, 4.MSRA 344 Eilenburg Kondor class DDR Rostock 4. Mine search and sweeping battalion, 4.MSRA 345 Neuruppin Kondor class DDR Rostock 4. Mine search and sweeping battalion, 4.MSRA 346 Strasburg Kondor class DDR Rostock 4. Mine search and sweeping battalion, 4.MSRA 353 Hettstedt Kondor class DDR reserve G412 Neustrelitz Kondor class DDR Sassnitz 1. Border Ship Battalion, 1.GSA G413 Prerow Kondor class DDR Sassnitz 1. Border Ship Battalion, 1.GSA G416 Klütz Kondor class DDR Sassnitz 1. Border Ship Battalion, 1.GSA G421 Vitte Kondor class DDR Warnemunde 2. Border Ship Battalion, 2.GSA G423 Pasewalk Kondor class DDR Warnemunde 2. Border Ship Battalion, 2.GSA G424 Graal-Müritz Kondor class DDR Warnemunde 2. Border Ship Battalion, 2.GSA G425 Kirchdorf Kondor class DDR Warnemunde 2. Border Ship Battalion, 2.GSA G426 Rerik Kondor class DDR Warnemunde 2. Border Ship Battalion, 2.GSA G444 Zingst (89) Kondor class DDR Warnemunde 4. Border Ship Battalion, 4.GSA G445 Kühlungsborn Kondor class DDR Warnemunde 4. Border Ship Battalion, 4.GSA G446 Bansin Kondor class DDR Warnemunde 4. Border Ship Battalion, 4.GSA GS411 Malchin Kondor class DDR Warnemunde 4. Border Ship Battalion, 4.GSA GS411 Ueckermünde Kondor class DDR Sassnitz 1. Border Ship Battalion, 1.GSA GS414 Altentreptow Kondor class DDR Sassnitz 1. Border Ship Battalion, 1.GSA GS415 Ahrenshoop Kondor class DDR Sassnitz 1. Border Ship Battalion, 1.GSA GS422 Demmin Kondor class DDR Warnemunde 2. Border Ship Battalion, 2.GSA GS442 Templin Kondor class DDR Warnemunde 4. Border Ship Battalion, 4.GSA GS443 Boltenhagen Kondor class DDR Warnemunde 4. Border Ship Battalion, 4.GSA V811 Wolgast Kondor class DDR Wolgast 18. Test Ship battalion V812 Genthin Kondor class DDR Wolgast 18. Test Ship battalion V813 Rosslau Kondor class DDR Wolgast 18. Test Ship battalion V814 Greifswald Kondor class DDR Wolgast 18. Test Ship battalion chico20854 ************ chico20854 part II of the German Navy Auxilaries over 1000 tons displacement A1412 Frankfurt-am-Main FRG A1413 Freiburg 1968 FRG Wilhelmshaven frigate support A1414 Glucksburg 1968 FRG Wilhelmshaven FAC support A1416 Nienburg FRG A1418 Meersburg 1968 FRG Kiel submarine tender A1424 Walchensee 1966 FRG Kiel coastal AO A1425 Ammersee 1967 FRG Kiel coastal AO A1426 Tegernsee 1967 FRG Wilhelmshaven coastal AO A1427 Westensee 1967 FRG Kiel coastal AO A1435 Westerwald 1967 FRG Wilhelmshaven AE A1436 Odenwald 1967 FRG Wilhelmshaven AE A1439 Baltrum 1968 FRG Neustadt ocean tug A1440 Juist 1971 FRG Neustadt ocean tug A1441 Langeoog 1968 FRG Eckernforde ocean tug A1442 Spessart 1974/77 FRG Kiel AOG A1443 Rhoen 1974/77 FRG Wilhelmshaven AOG A1451 Wangerooge 1968 FRG Wilhelmshaven ocean tug A1452 Spiekeroog 1968 FRG Kiel ocean tug A1455 Norderney 1970 FRG Wilhelmshaven ocean tug A1457 Helgoland 1966 FRG salvage tug A1458 Fehmarn 1967 FRG Kiel salvage tug A50 Alster 1989 FRG Kiel AGI A511 Elbe 1993 FRG Warnemnde missile boat tender A512 Mosel 1993 FRG Oplenitz minecraft tender A513 Rhein 1993 FRG Flensburg minecraft tender A514 Werra 1993 FRG Olpenitz minecraft tender A515 Main 1994 FRG Olpenitz missile boat tender A516 Donau 1994 FRG Warnemdne missile boat tender A52 Oste 1988 FRG Kiel AGI A53 Oker 1988 FRG Kiel AGI H71 Vogtland Ohre class 1984 DDR Dranske barracks/support ship H11 Altmark Ohre class 1984 DDR Dranske barracks/support ship H31 Harz Ohre class 1985 DDR Dranske barracks/support ship H51 Havelland Ohre class 1985 DDR Dranske barracks/support ship H72 Börde Ohre class 1985 DDR Dranske barracks/support ship H91 Uckermark Ohre class 1985 DDR Dranske barracks/support ship C661 Riems Riems class 1960 DDR Dranske AOG C111 Hiddensee Riems class 1961 DDR Peenemuende AOG C43 Poel Riems class 1961 DDR reserve AOG E171 Nordperd Frosch II class 1980 DDR AE E172 Sudperd Frosch II class 1980 DDR AE V815 Werdau Darss class DDR Wolgast 18. Test Ship battalion E661 Wittow Darss class DDR Dranske 6. Ship battalion, 6.SiStSA E441 Darss Darss class 1983 DDR Rostock 4. Ship battalion, 4.SiStSA P816 Granitz Darss class DDR Wolgast 18. Test Ship battalion P441 Kühlung Darss class DDR Rostock 4. Ship battalion, 4.SiStSA E111 Mönchgut Darss class 1982 DDR Peenemuende 1. Ship battalion D41 Jasmund Darss class DDR Rostock 4. Surveying ship battalion AGI D42 Comet Kondor class DDR Rostock 4. Surveying ship battalion AGI D43 Meteor Kondor class DDR Rostock 4. Surveying ship battalion AGI C441 Hochseetanker Baskunchak class DDR Rostock 4. Ship battalion, 4.SiStSA AO C443 Tankleichter Baskunchak class DDR Rostock 4. Ship battalion, 4.SiStSA AO A441 Otto von Guericke (A 441) salvage vessel (Piast class) Piast class 1977 DDR Rostock 4. Ship battalion, 4.SiStSA salvage ship S41 Wilhelm Pieck Wodnik class 1976 DDR Rostock school ship Aviation Marinefliegergeschwader 28 (MFG-28) Paul Wieczoreck 23 x Su-22M4 “FITTER K” Laage 4 x Su-22UM3K “FITTER G” Marinehubschraubergeschwader 18 (MHG-18) Kurt Barthel 2 x Mi-8T “HIP” Parow 10 x Mi-8TB “HIP E” 1 x Mi-8S “HIP” 8 x Mi-14PL “HAZE A” 6 x Mi-14BT “HAZE B” Marinefliegergeschwader 1 (MFG-1) 48 x Tornado IDS Schleswig - Jagel Marinefliegergeschwader 2 (MFG-2) 48 x Tornado IDS Eggebek Marinefliegergeschwader 3 (MFG-3) Graf Zeppelin 18 x Atlantique, 18 x Sea Lynx (embarked) Nordholz Marinefliegergeschwader 5 (MFG-5) 20 x Sea King SAR, Do28 Kiel Holtenau chico20854 ************ Targan The players in my campaign boarded and took over one of those old Shershen class torpedo boats being operated by a KGB group following their time in Warsaw, and sailed it a good part of the way down the Vistula River before it was critically damaged in a battle with a GRU group and they had to abandon it. The party booby trapped the ship heavily before they left it, however, and as a result a couple of dozen Russians were killed when they tried to salvage the vessel. __________________ "I say we take off and nuke the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure" - Corporal Dwayne Hicks, Colonial Marine Corp Targan ************ DeaconR Really good list of ships, Chico. DeaconR ************ chico20854 Soviet Navy, 1 JAN 1996, Twilight War Major surface combatants: Name Soviet Type NATO Type Soviet Project NATO Class Fleet Yr Completed Notes Kirov ARKR BCGN 1144 Kirov Northern 1980 Frunze ARKR BCGN 1144 Kirov Pacific 1984 Kalinin ARKR BCGN 1144 Kirov Northern 1988 Yuri Andropov ARKR BCGN 1144 Kirov Pacific 1992 Dzerzhinskiy ARKR BCGN 1144 Kirov Northern 1996 Zhdanov KU CC 68U Sverdlov Command Black Sea 1952 Admiral Senyavin KU CC 68U Sverdlov Command Pacific 1954 Groznyy RKR CG 58 Kynda Baltic 1962 Steregushyy RKR CG 58 Kynda Pacific 1964 Doblestnyy RKR CG 58 Kynda Black Sea 1964 Soobrazitelnyy RKR CG 58 Kynda Pacific 1965 Admiral Zozulya RKR CG 1134 Kresta I Baltic 1967 Vitse Admiral Drozd RKR CG 1134 Kresta I Northern 1968 Vladivostok RKR CG 1134 Kresta I Pacific 1969 Sevastopol RKR CG 1134 Kresta I Pacific 1969 Slava RK CG 1164 Slava Black Sea 1982 Marshal Ustinov RK CG 1164 Slava Northern 1986 Chervona Ukraina RK CG 1164 Slava Pacific 1989 Admiral Lobov RK CG 1164 Slava ? 1990 Oktyabrskskaya Revolutsia RK CG 1164 Slava ? 1992 Admiral Gorshkov RK CG 1164 Slava ? 1994 Kronshtadt BPK CG 1134A Kresta II Northern 1969 Admiral Isakov BPK CG 1134A Kresta II Northern 1970 Admiral Nakhimov BPK CG 1134A Kresta II Northern 1971 Admiral Makarov BPK CG 1134A Kresta II Northern 1972 Marshal Voroshilov BPK CG 1134A Kresta II Pacific 1973 Admiral Oktyabrsky BPK CG 1134A Kresta II Pacific 1973 Admiral Isachenkov BPK CG 1134A Kresta II Northern 1974 Marshal Timoshenko BPK CG 1134A Kresta II Northern 1975 Vasiliy Chapayev BPK CG 1134A Kresta II Pacific 1976 Admiral Yumashev BPK CG 1134A Kresta II Northern 1977 Nikolayev BPK CG 1134B Kara Black Sea 1971 Ochakov BPK CG 1134B Kara Black Sea 1973 Kerch BPK CG 1134B Kara Black Sea 1974 Petropavlovsk BPK CG 1134B Kara Pacific 1976 Tashkent BPK CG 1134B Kara Pacific 1977 Tallin BPK CG 1134B Kara Pacific 1979 Azov BPK CG 1134BF Kara Black Sea 1975 Dzerzhinskiy KR CG 70E Sverdlov SAM Black Sea 1952 Moskva PKR CGH 1123 Moskva Black Sea 1967 Leningrad PKR CGH 1123 Moskva Black Sea 1969 Admiral Ushakov KR CL 68A Sverdlov AA Black Sea 1953 Oktyobraskaya Revolutsiya (ex-Molotovsk) KR CL 68A Sverdlov AA Baltic 1954 Mikhail Kutuzov KR CL 68A Sverdlov AA Black Sea 1954 Sverdlov KR CL 68bis Sverdlov Baltic 1952 Aleksandr Nevskiy KR CL 68bis Sverdlov Northern 1952 Admiral Lazarev KR CL 68bis Sverdlov Pacific 1953 Aleksandr Suvorov KR CL 68bis Sverdlov Pacific 1953 Dmitriy Pozharskiy KR CL 68bis Sverdlov Pacific 1954 Murmansk KR CL 68bis Sverdlov Northern 1955 Zheleznyakov KU CL 68K Chapayev Baltic 1950 reserve Komsomolets (ex-Chkalov) KU CL 68K Chapayev Baltic 1950 reserve Admiral Kuznetsov (ex-Riga, ex-Leonid Brezhnev, ex-Tblisi) TAKR CV 1143.5 Kuznetsov Northern 1990 Varyag (ex-Riga) TAKR CV 1143.5 Kuznetsov Pacific 1993 Ulyanovsk (ex-Bogatyr, ex-Rossiya) TAKR CV 1143.7 Ulyanovsk ? 1995 Orel TAKR CV 1143.7 Ulyanovsk never completed Kiev AKR CVGH 1143 Kiev Northern 1975 Minsk AKR CVGH 1143 Kiev Pacific 1978 Novorossisk AKR CVGH 1143 Kiev Pacific 1982 Baku AKR CVGH 1143.4 Baku Northern 1987 Ognennyy EM DD 31 Skory EW Baltic 1949 reserve Vikhrevoy EM DD 31 Skory EW Pacific 1950 reserve UTS-538 (ex-Besshumnyy) EM DD 31 Skory EW Pacific 1951 reserve Okhranyayuchiy EM DD 31 Skory EW Northern 1951 reserve Vernyy EM DD 31 Skory EW Pacific 1951 reserve Opasnyy - Severodvinsk EM DD 31 Skory EW Baltic 1952 reserve Svetly BPK DD 56 Kotlin Baltic 1955 Speshny BPK DD 56 Kotlin Baltic 1955 Spokoyny BPK DD 56 Kotlin Northern 1956 Veskiy BPK DD 56 Kotlin Pacific 1956 Vliyatelnyy BPK DD 56 Kotlin Pacific 1957 Dalnyvostochnyy Komsomolets BPK DD 56 Kotlin Pacific 1957 Komsomolets Ukrainy BPK DD 61 Kashin Black Sea 1962 Soobrazitelny BPK DD 61 Kashin Northern 1963 Obraztsovy BPK DD 61 Kashin Baltic 1965 Odarenny BPK DD 61 Kashin Pacific 1965 Krasny Kavkaz BPK DD 61 Kashin Black Sea 1966 Steregushchy BPK DD 61 Kashin Pacific 1966 Reshitelny BPK DD 61 Kashin Black Sea 1967 Strogiy BPK DD 61 Kashin Pacific 1968 Smetlivy BPK DD 61 Kashin Black Sea 1969 Krasny Krym BPK DD 61 Kashin Black Sea 1970 Sposobny BPK DD 61 Kashin Pacific 1971 Skory BPK DD 61 Kashin Black Sea 1972 Udaloy BPK DD 1155 Udaloy Northern 1980 Vitse-Admiral Kulakov BPK DD 1155 Udaloy Northern 1981 Marshal Vasil'yevsky BPK DD 1155 Udaloy Northern 1983 Admiral Zakharov BPK DD 1155 Udaloy Pacific 1983 Admiral Spiridonov BPK DD 1155 Udaloy Pacific 1984 Admiral Tributs BPK DD 1155 Udaloy Pacific 1985 Marshal Shaposhnikov BPK DD 1155 Udaloy Pacific 1985 Simferopol BPK DD 1155 Udaloy Northern 1987 Admiral Levchenko BPK DD 1155 Udaloy Northern 1988 Admiral Vinogradov BPK DD 1155 Udaloy Pacific 1988 Admiral Kharlamov BPK DD 1155 Udaloy Northern 1989 Admiral Panteleyev BPK DD 1155 Udaloy Pacific 1990 Admiral Chabanenko BRK DD 1155.1 Udaloy II ? 1991 KGB? Admiral Basisty BRK DD 1155.1 Udaloy II ? 1991 KGB? Admiral Kucherov BRK DD 1155.1 Udaloy II ? 1992 KGB? SM-202 (ex-Vstrechnyy) EM DD 30bis Skory Pacific 1949 reserve Buynyy EM DD 30bis Skory Black Sea 1950 reserve Bystryy EM DD 30bis Skory Black Sea 1950 reserve Otmennyy EM DD 30bis Skory Northern 1950 reserve Otryvistyy EM DD 30bis Skory Northern 1950 reserve Stoyky EM DD 30bis Skory Baltic 1950 reserve Surovy EM DD 30bis Skory Baltic 1950 reserve UTS-27 (ex-Vechnyy) EM DD 30bis Skory Pacific 1950 reserve SM-296 (ex-Velichavyy) EM DD 30bis Skory Pacific 1950 reserve SM-316 (ex-Vertkiy) EM DD 30bis Skory Pacific 1950 reserve PKZ-36 (ex-Besposhadnyy) EM DD 30bis Skory Black Sea 1951 reserve Okrylyennyy EM DD 30bis Skory Northern 1951 reserve Ostorozhnyy EM DD 30bis Skory Northern 1951 reserve Ostryy EM DD 30bis Skory Baltic 1951 reserve Otradnyy EM DD 30bis Skory Northern 1951 reserve SM-449 (ex-Ozarennyy) EM DD 30bis Skory Black Sea 1951 reserve OT-20 (ex-Sokrushitel'nyy) EM DD 30bis Skory Baltic 1951 reserve PKZ-33 (ex-Stremitel'nyy) EM DD 30bis Skory Baltic 1951 reserve UTS-263 (ex-Vidnyy) EM DD 30bis Skory Pacific 1951 reserve Vnimatel'nyy EM DD 30bis Skory Pacific 1951 reserve SM-274 (ex-Bezboyaznennyy) EM DD 30bis Skory Pacific 1952 reserve Bezotkaznyy EM DD 30bis Skory Black Sea 1952 reserve Otzyvchivyy EM DD 30bis Skory Black Sea 1952 reserve Ser'yeznyy EM DD 30bis Skory Black Sea 1952 reserve Smotryachiy EM DD 30bis Skory Baltic 1952 reserve Solidny EM DD 30bis Skory Black Sea 1952 reserve Sovershenny EM DD 30bis Skory Black Sea 1952 reserve Statny EM DD 30bis Skory Baltic 1952 reserve SM-132 (ex-Svobodny) EM DD 30bis Skory Baltic 1952 reserve OT-1 (ex-Vdumchivyy) EM DD 30bis Skory Pacific 1952 reserve Vkradchivyy EM DD 30bis Skory Pacific 1952 reserve Vol'nyy EM DD 30bis Skory Pacific 1952 reserve Ozhivlyennyy EM DD 30bis Skory Black Sea 1953 reserve Stepennyy EM DD 30bis Skory Baltic 1953 reserve Vrazumitel'nyy EM DD 30bis Skory Pacific 1953 reserve Blestyashiy BPK DD 56PLO Kotlin Mod Black Sea 1955 Byvaly BPK DD 56PLO Kotlin Mod Northern 1955 Svedushiy BPK DD 56PLO Kotlin Mod Black Sea 1956 Smyshleny BPK DD 56PLO Kotlin Mod Northern 1956 Bessledny BPK DD 56PLO Kotlin Mod Pacific 1956 Burlivyy BPK DD 56PLO Kotlin Mod Pacific 1956 Vyzyvayushiy BPK DD 56PLO Kotlin Mod Pacific 1956 Vdokhnovenny BPK DD 56PLO Kotlin Mod Pacific 1956 Vozmushenny BPK DD 56PLO Kotlin Mod Pacific 1956 Blagorodnyy BPK DD 56PLO Kotlin Mod Baltic 1957 Plamennyy BPK DD 56PLO Kotlin Mod Northern 1957 Naporistiy BPK DD 56PLO Kotlin Mod Black Sea 1957 Provorny BPK DD 61E Kashin E Black Sea 1964 Ognevoy BPK DD 61M Kashin M Northern 1964 Slavny BPK DD 61M Kashin M Baltic 1966 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Last edited by chico20854 : 02-11-2006 at 10:46 PM. chico20854
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chico20854 continued Smyshleny BPK DD 61M Kashin M Northern 1968 Sderzhanny BPK DD 61M Kashin M Black Sea 1973 Stroyny BPK DD 61MP Kashin MP Northern 1966 Sovremenny EM DDG 956 Sovremenny Northern 1980 Otchayanny EM DDG 956 Sovremenny Northern 1982 Otlichnny EM DDG 956 Sovremenny Northern 1983 Osmotritel'nyy EM DDG 956 Sovremenny Pacific 1984 Bezuprechnyy EM DDG 956 Sovremenny Northern 1985 Boyevoy EM DDG 956 Sovremenny Pacific 1986 Stoyky EM DDG 956 Sovremenny Pacific 1986 Okrylenny EM DDG 956 Sovremenny Northern 1987 Burny EM DDG 956 Sovremenny Pacific 1988 Gremyashchy EM DDG 956 Sovremenny Northern 1988 Bystry EM DDG 956 Sovremenny Pacific 1989 Rastoropny EM DDG 956 Sovremenny Northern 1989 Bezboyaznenny EM DDG 956 Sovremenny Pacific 1990 Bezuderzhny EM DDG 956 Sovremenny Northern 1991 Bespokoiny EM DDG 956 Sovremenny Baltic 1991 Moskovskiy Komsomolets EM DDG 956 Sovremenny Baltic 1992 Besstrashny EM DDG 956 Sovremenny Northern 1992 Vnushitelniy EM DDG 956 Sovremenny ? 1993 Vazhny EM DDG 956 Sovremenny ? 1993 Vdumchivy EM DDG 956 Sovremenny ? 1994 Buliny EM DDG 956 Sovremenny ? 1994 Vechniy EM DDG 956 Sovremenny ? 1995 Pytlivyy EM DDG 956 Sovremenny ? 1995 Gubitelnyy EM DDG 956 Sovremenny ? 1996 Lovkiy EM DDG 956 Sovremenny ? 1996 Skromny BRK DDG 56A Kotlin SAM Northern 1955 Skrytny BRK DDG 56A Kotlin SAM Pacific 1956 Soznatel'nyy BRK DDG 56A Kotlin SAM Black Sea 1956 Bravyy BRK DDG 56A Kotlin SAM Black Sea 1956 Nesokrushimyy BRK DDG 56A Kotlin SAM Northern 1957 Nakhodchivyy BRK DDG 56A Kotlin SAM Black Sea 1957 Nastoychivyy BRK DDG 56A Kotlin SAM Baltic 1957 Vozbuzhdennyy BRK DDG 56A Kotlin SAM Pacific 1957 Bedovyy BPK DDG 56M Kildin Black Sea 1958 Prozorlivyy BPK DDG 56M Kildin Baltic 1958 Neulovimyy BPK DDG 56M Kildin Black Sea 1958 Neuderzhimyy BPK DDG 56M Kildin Pacific 1958 Gnevny BRK DDG 57A Kanin Pacific 1960 Gremyashchy BRK DDG 57A Kanin Northern 1960 Uporny BRK DDG 57A Kanin Pacific 1960 Zhguchy BRK DDG 57A Kanin Northern 1960 Gordy BRK DDG 57A Kanin Pacific 1961 Boiky BRK DDG 57A Kanin Northern 1961 Zorky BRK DDG 57A Kanin Baltic 1961 Derzky BRK DDG 57A Kanin Northern 1961 UTS-256 (ex-Sokol) SKR FF 42 Berkut Northern 1952 reserve Sovetskiy Azerbaidzhan (ex-Grif) SKR FF 42 Berkut Caspian 1952 reserve Sovetskiy Dagestan (ex-Krechet) SKR FF 42 Berkut Caspian 1952 reserve Sovetskiy Turkmenistan (ex-Orlan) SKR FF 42 Berkut Caspian 1953 reserve UTS-257 (ex-Lev) SKR FF 42 Berkut Northern 1953 reserve Komsomolets Gruzyy (ex-Yaguar) SKR FF 50 Riga Black Sea 1954 reserve Rosomakha SKR FF 50 Riga Baltic 1954 reserve Leopard SKR FF 50 Riga Northern 1954 reserve Sovetskiy Turkmenistan (ex-Pantera) SKR FF 50 Riga Caspian 1954 Rys' SKR FF 50 Riga Black Sea 1954 reserve Gornostay SKR FF 50 Riga Black Sea 1954 reserve Bars SKR FF 50 Riga Northern 1954 reserve Kuguar SKR FF 50 Riga Baltic 1954 reserve Barsuk SKR FF 50 Riga Baltic 1954 reserve Laska (ex-Giena) SKR FF 50 Riga Pacific 1954 reserve Volk SKR FF 50 Riga Black Sea 1954 reserve Kunitsa SKR FF 50 Riga Black Sea 1954 reserve Lun' SKR FF 50 Riga Pacific 1954 reserve Pingvin SKR FF 50 Riga Pacific 1954 reserve Gepard SKR FF 50 Riga Pacific 1954 reserve Norka SKR FF 50 Riga Northern 1955 reserve Voron SKR FF 50 Riga Black Sea 1955 reserve Los' SKR FF 50 Riga Pacific 1955 reserve SKR-51 SKR FF 50 Riga Black Sea 1955 reserve Tuman (ex-SKR-52) SKR FF 50 Riga Baltic 1955 reserve SKR-54 SKR FF 50 Riga Pacific 1955 reserve SKR-55 SKR FF 50 Riga Pacific 1955 reserve SKR-50 SKR FF 50 Riga Pacific 1956 reserve SKR-57 SKR FF 50 Riga Black Sea 1956 reserve SKR-58 SKR FF 50 Riga Northern 1956 reserve Sovetskiy Azerbaidzhan (ex-SKR-56) SKR FF 50 Riga Caspian 1956 SKR-59 SKR FF 50 Riga Pacific 1956 reserve SM-141 (ex-SKR-63) SKR FF 50 Riga Northern 1956 target craft SKR-60 SKR FF 50 Riga Northern 1956 reserve SKR-61 SKR FF 50 Riga Pacific 1956 reserve Irkutskiy Komsomolets (ex-SKR-62) SKR FF 50 Riga Pacific 1956 reserve SKR-66 SKR FF 50 Riga Black Sea 1956 reserve Komsomolets Litvy (ex-SKR-64) SKR FF 50 Riga Baltic 1956 reserve SKR-65 SKR FF 50 Riga Baltic 1956 reserve SKR-68 SKR FF 50 Riga Baltic 1957 reserve SKR-70 SKR FF 50 Riga Northern 1957 reserve SKR-71 SKR FF 50 Riga Northern 1957 reserve SKR-72 SKR FF 50 Riga Northern 1957 reserve SKR-73 SKR FF 50 Riga Caspian 1957 SKR-74 SKR FF 50 Riga Pacific 1957 reserve SKR-75 SKR FF 50 Riga Pacific 1957 reserve Arkhangelskiy Komsomolets (ex-SKR-76) SKR FF 50 Riga Northern 1958 reserve Sovetskiy Dagestan (ex-SKR-77) SKR FF 50 Riga Caspian 1958 SKR-80 SKR FF 50 Riga Northern 1958 reserve SKR-81 SKR FF 50 Riga Northern 1958 reserve SKR-4 SKR FF 50 Riga Pacific 1958 reserve SKR-5 SKR FF 50 Riga Baltic 1958 reserve SKR-8 SKR FF 50 Riga Baltic 1958 reserve SKR-10 SKR FF 50 Riga Pacific 1958 reserve SKR-14 SKR FF 50 Riga Baltic 1959 reserve SKR-15 SKR FF 50 Riga Baltic 1959 reserve Del'fin SKR FF 1159 Koni Black Sea 1975 training ship for export ship crews Bditelny SKR FFG 1135 Krivak I Baltic 1970 Dostoiny SKR FFG 1135 Krivak I Northern 1971 Svirepy SKR FFG 1135 Krivak I Baltic 1972 Doblyestny SKR FFG 1135 Krivak I Northern 1973 Storozhevoi SKR FFG 1135 Krivak I Baltic 1973 Rasyashchy SKR FFG 1135 Krivak I Pacific 1974 Razumny SKR FFG 1135 Krivak I Baltic 1974 Deyatelny SKR FFG 1135 Krivak I Black Sea 1975 Druzhny SKR FFG 1135 Krivak I Baltic 1975 Retivy SKR FFG 1135 Krivak I Pacific 1976 Zharki SKR FFG 1135 Krivak I Northern 1976 Bezzavetny SKR FFG 1135 Krivak I Black Sea 1977 Buzukoriznenny SKR FFG 1135 Krivak I Black Sea 1979 Zadorny SKR FFG 1135 Krivak I Northern 1979 Ladny SKR FFG 1135 Krivak I Black Sea 1980 Poryvisty SKR FFG 1135 Krivak I Pacific 1981 Menzhinsky PSKR FFG 1135.1 Krivak III Pacific 1983 KGB Dzerzhinsky PSKR FFG 1135.1 Krivak III Pacific 1984 KGB Imeni XXVII Sezda KPSS PSKR FFG 1135.1 Krivak III Pacific 1986 KGB Imeni LXX Letiya Pogranvoysk PSKR FFG 1135.1 Krivak III Pacific 1988 KGB Kedrov PSKR FFG 1135.1 Krivak III Pacific 1989 KGB Vorovsky PSKR FFG 1135.1 Krivak III Pacific 1990 KGB Kirov PSKR FFG 1135.1 Krivak III ? 1991 KGB Krasny Vympel PSKR FFG 1135.1 Krivak III ? 1992 KGB Bodry SKR FFG 1135.2 Krivak IV Baltic 1971 Silny SKR FFG 1135.2 Krivak IV Baltic 1973 Leningradskiy Komsomolets SKR FFG 1135.2 Krivak IV Northern 1977 Letuchky SKR FFG 1135.2 Krivak IV Pacific 1978 Pylkiy SKR FFG 1135.2 Krivak IV Baltic 1978 Neustrashimyy SKR FFG 1154 Neustrashimyy Baltic 1990 Nepristupnyy SKR FFG 1154 Neustrashimyy ? 1991 Tuman SKR FFG 1154 Neustrashimyy ? 1992 Nepokornyy SKR FFG 1154 Neustrashimyy ? 1993 ? SKR FFG 1154 Neustrashimyy ? 1994 ?? SKR FFG 1154 Neustrashimyy ? 1995 ??? SKR FFG 1154 Neustrashimyy ? 1996 Rezvy SKR FFG 1135M Krivak II Northern 1975 Razitelny SKR FFG 1135M Krivak II Black Sea 1976 Rezkiy SKR FFG 1135M Krivak II Pacific 1976 Grozyashchy SKR FFG 1135M Krivak II Pacific 1977 Komsomolets Lithuania SKR FFG 1135M Krivak II Baltic 1977 Gromky SKR FFG 1135M Krivak II Northern 1978 Bessmenny SKR FFG 1135M Krivak II Northern 1978 Gordelivy SKR FFG 1135M Krivak II Pacific 1979 Ryany SKR FFG 1135M Krivak II Pacific 1979 Revnosty SKR FFG 1135M Krivak II Pacific 1980 Pytlivy SKR FFG 1135M Krivak II Black Sea 1981 SKR-39 SKR FFL 35 Mirka I Baltic 1964 SKR-20 SKR FFL 35 Mirka I Baltic 1964 SKR-7 SKR FFL 35 Mirka I Baltic 1964 SKR-32 SKR FFL 35 Mirka I Baltic 1964 SKR-86 SKR FFL 35 Mirka I Baltic 1964 Ivan Sladkoe (ex-SKR-49) SKR FFL 35 Mirka I Baltic 1965 SKR-53 SKR FFL 35 Mirka I Baltic 1965 SKR-24 SKR FFL 35 Mirka I Baltic 1965 SKR-84 SKR FFL 35 Mirka II Black Sea 1965 SKR-48 SKR FFL 35 Mirka II Baltic 1965 60 let Komsomolu Belorussyy (ex-SKR-83) SKR FFL 35 Mirka I Baltic 1966 SKR-12 SKR FFL 35 Mirka II Baltic 1966 SKR-19 SKR FFL 35 Mirka II Baltic 1966 Gangutets (ex-SKR-35) SKR FFL 35 Mirka II Baltic 1966 SKR-6 SKR FFL 35 Mirka II Black Sea 1966 SKR-13 SKR FFL 35 Mirka II Black Sea 1966 SKR-90 SKR FFL 35 Mirka II Baltic 1967 SKR-117 SKR FFL 35 Mirka II Black Sea 1967 SKR-26 SKR FFL 159 Petya I Northern 1961 reserve OSS-332 (ex-SKR-1) SKR FFL 159 Petya I Black Sea 1961 reserve OS-34 (ex-SKR-17) SKR FFL 159 Petya I Black Sea 1962 reserve SKR-9 SKR FFL 159 Petya I Northern 1962 reserve SKR-22 SKR FFL 159 Petya I Northern 1962 reserve SKR-18 SKR FFL 159 Petya I Pacific 1962 reserve SKR-27 SKR FFL 159 Petya I Black Sea 1962 reserve OS-333 (ex-SKR-30) SKR FFL 159 Petya I Black Sea 1962 reserve SKR-11 SKR FFL 159 Petya I Pacific 1963 reserve SKR-41 SKR FFL 159 Petya I Pacific 1964 reserve SKR-40 SKR FFL 159 Petya I Black Sea 1964 reserve SKR-3 SKR FFL 159 Petya I Pacific 1964 reserve SKR-34 SKR FFL 159 Petya I Northern 1964 reserve SKR-23 SKR FFL 159 Petya I Pacific 1965 reserve SKR-29 SKR FFL 159 Petya I Northern 1966 reserve SKR-78 - Khabarovsk SKR FFL 159 Petya I Pacific 1966 reserve Orlovskiy Komsomolets (ex-SKR-21) SKR FFL 159 Petya I Pacific 1966 reserve MPK-147 MPK FFL 1124 Grisha I Black Sea 1970 MPK-131 MPK FFL 1124 Grisha I Northern 1970 MPK-33 MPK FFL 1124 Grisha I Northern 1971 MPK-47 MPK FFL 1124 Grisha I Northern 1971 MPK-52 MPK FFL 1124 Grisha I Black Sea 1971 MPK-36 MPK FFL 1124 Grisha I Pacific 1972 MPK-65 MPK FFL 1124 Grisha I Northern 1972 MPK-3 MPK FFL 1124 Grisha I Northern 1972 MPK-41 MPK FFL 1124 Grisha I Pacific 1972 MPK-8 MPK FFL 1124 Grisha I Black Sea 1973 MPK-31 MPK FFL 1124 Grisha I Northern 1973 MPK-117 MPK FFL 1124 Grisha I Pacific 1973 Odesskyy Komsomolets (ex-MPK-43) MPK FFL 1124 Grisha III Black Sea 1974 ************ chico20854 continued 2... MPK-81 MPK FFL 1124 Grisha III Pacific 1974 MPK-40 MPK FFL 1124 Grisha III Northern 1975 MPK-122 MPK FFL 1124 Grisha III Pacific 1975 Komsomolets Gruzyy (ex-MPK-127) MPK FFL 1124 Grisha III Black Sea 1976 MPK-143 MPK FFL 1124 Grisha III Pacific 1976 MPK-138 MPK FFL 1124 Grisha III Northern 1976 MPK-141 MPK FFL 1124 Grisha III Black Sea 1977 MPK-145 MPK FFL 1124 Grisha III Pacific 1977 MPK-152 MPK FFL 1124 Grisha III Black Sea 1977 MPK-170 MPK FFL 1124 Grisha III Pacific 1978 MPK-6 MPK FFL 1124 Grisha III Black Sea 1978 MPK-161 MPK FFL 1124 Grisha III Baltic 1978 MPK-4 MPK FFL 1124 Grisha III Pacific 1979 MPK-2 MPK FFL 1124 Grisha III Baltic 1979 Zaporozhskiy Komsomolets (ex-MPK-101) MPK FFL 1124 Grisha III Pacific 1979 MPK-155 MPK FFL 1124 Grisha III Pacific 1980 Komsomolets Latvyy (ex-MPK-44) MPK FFL 1124 Grisha III Baltic 1980 MPK-37 MPK FFL 1124 Grisha III Pacific 1980 MPK-108 MPK FFL 1124 Grisha III Baltic 1981 MPK-49 MPK FFL 1124 Grisha III Black Sea 1982 MPK-178 MPK FFL 1124 Grisha III Pacific 1984 MPK-191 MPK FFL 1124 Grisha III Pacific 1985 MPK-104 MPK FFL 1124K Grisha IV Black Sea 1980 Kievskiy Komsomolets (ex-MPK-64) MPK FFL 1124M Grisha V Black Sea 1982 Komsomolets Moldavyy (ex-MPK-118) MPK FFL 1124M Grisha V Black Sea 1983 MPK-139 MPK FFL 1124M Grisha V Northern 1984 MPK-142 MPK FFL 1124M Grisha V Northern 1984 MPK-190 MPK FFL 1124M Grisha V Northern 1985 Komsomolets Armenyy (ex-MPK-199) MPK FFL 1124M Grisha V Black Sea 1986 MPK-198 MPK FFL 1124M Grisha V Northern 1986 MPK-202 MPK FFL 1124M Grisha V Northern 1987 MPK-69 MPK FFL 1124M Grisha V Northern 1987 Primorskyy Komsomolets (ex-MPK-200) MPK FFL 1124M Grisha V Pacific 1987 MPK-113 MPK FFL 1124M Grisha V Northern 1987 Brestskiy Komsomolets (ex-MPK-194) MPK FFL 1124M Grisha V Northern 1988 MPK-89 MPK FFL 1124M Grisha V Pacific 1988 MPK-196 MPK FFL 1124M Grisha V Northern 1988 MPK-207 MPK FFL 1124M Grisha V Black Sea 1989 MPK-197 MPK FFL 1124M Grisha V Northern 1989 MPK-222 MPK FFL 1124M Grisha V Pacific 1989 MPK-217 MPK FFL 1124M Grisha V Black Sea 1989 MPK-28 MPK FFL 1124M Grisha V Pacific 1989 MPK-203 MPK FFL 1124M Grisha V Northern 1989 Arkhangelskiy Komsomolets (ex-MPK-130) MPK FFL 1124M Grisha V Northern 1990 Leninskaya Kuznitsa (ex-MPK-214) MPK FFL 1124M Grisha V Pacific 1990 Irkutskiy Komsomolets (ex-MPK-107) MPK FFL 1124M Grisha V Pacific 1990 MPK-56 MPK FFL 1124M Grisha V Northern 1990 MPK-64 MPK FFL 1124M Grisha V Pacific 1990 MPK-82 MPK FFL 1124M Grisha V Pacific 1991 MPK-10 MPK FFL 1124M Grisha V Northern 1991 MPK-17 MPK FFL 1124M Grisha V Pacific 1991 MPK-14 MPK FFL 1124M Grisha V Northern 1991 MPK-134 MPK FFL 1124M Grisha V ? 1992 MPK-59 MPK FFL 1124M Grisha V Northern 1992 MPK-20 MPK FFL 1124M Grisha V ? 1992 Brilliant PSKR FFL 1124P Grisha II Northern 1973 KGB Zhemchug PSKR FFL 1124P Grisha II Northern 1974 KGB Izumrud PSKR FFL 1124P Grisha II Northern 1974 KGB Rubin PSKR FFL 1124P Grisha II Northern 1975 KGB Ametist PSKR FFL 1124P Grisha II Northern 1975 KGB Dnepr PSKR FFL 1124P Grisha II Black Sea 1976 KGB Izmail PSKR FFL 1124P Grisha II Black Sea 1980 KGB Bditelnyy PSKR FFL 1124P Grisha II Pacific 1981 KGB Bezuprechnyy PSKR FFL 1124P Grisha II Pacific 1981 KGB Provornyy PSKR FFL 1124P Grisha II Baltic 1982 KGB Zorkiy PSKR FFL 1124P Grisha II Pacific 1982 KGB Predannyy PSKR FFL 1124P Grisha II Baltic 1983 KGB Reshitelnyy PSKR FFL 1124P Grisha II Pacific 1983 KGB Smelyy PSKR FFL 1124P Grisha II Pacific 1983 KGB Nadyezhnyy PSKR FFL 1124P Grisha II Northern 1984 KGB Dozornyy PSKR FFL 1124P Grisha II Northern 1985 KGB Bravyy PSKR FFL 1124P Grisha II Pacific 1991 KGB Vernyy PSKR FFL 1124P Grisha II Pacific 1991 KGB Strogyy PSKR FFL 1124P Grisha II Pacific 1991 KGB SKR-16 SKR FFL 159A Petya II Caspian 1967 SKR-103 SKR FFL 159A Petya II Northern 1967 reserve SKR-36 SKR FFL 159A Petya II Pacific 1967 reserve SKR-106 SKR FFL 159A Petya II Northern 1967 reserve SKR-92 SKR FFL 159A Petya II Pacific 1967 reserve SKR-110 SKR FFL 159A Petya II Black Sea 1967 reserve SKR-112 SKR FFL 159A Petya II Black Sea 1968 reserve Komsomolets Dagestana (ex-SKR-87) SKR FFL 159A Petya II Caspian 1968 SKR-98 SKR FFL 159A Petya II Northern 1969 reserve SKR-120 SKR FFL 159A Petya II Northern 1970 reserve SKR-123 SKR FFL 159A Petya II Northern 1970 reserve SKR-126 SKR FFL 159A Petya II Northern 1970 reserve SKR-133 SKR FFL 159A Petya II Pacific 1970 reserve SKR-138 SKR FFL 159A Petya II Pacific 1971 reserve SKR-128 SKR FFL 159A Petya II Pacific 1972 reserve SKR-38 SKR FFL 159M Mod-Petya I Baltic 1961 reserve SKR-47 SKR FFL 159M Mod-Petya I Northern 1961 reserve SKR-33 SKR FFL 159M Mod-Petya I Northern 1962 reserve SKR-43 SKR FFL 159M Mod-Petya I Pacific 1964 reserve SKR-46 SKR FFL 159M Mod-Petya I Pacific 1965 reserve MPK-15 MPK PC 204 Poti Black Sea 1960 training MPK-16 MPK PC 204 Poti Black Sea 1960 reserve MPK-72 MPK PC 204 Poti Black Sea 1962 reserve MPK-75 MPK PC 204 Poti DOSAAF 1962 training MPK-88 MPK PC 204 Poti DOSAAF 1962 training MPK-169 MPK PC 204 Poti Pacific 1962 reserve MPK-79 MPK PC 204 Poti Northern 1962 reserve MPK-58 MPK PC 204 Poti Black Sea 1963 reserve MPK-85 MPK PC 204 Poti Baltic 1963 reserve MPK-14 MPK PC 204 Poti Baltic 1963 reserve MPK-103 MPK PC 204 Poti Pacific 1963 reserve SM-450 (ex-MPK-107) MPK PC 204 Poti Pacific 1963 training MPK-56 MPK PC 204 Poti Northern 1963 reserve SM-261 (ex-MPK-84) MPK PC 204 Poti Northern 1963 training MPK-150 MPK PC 204 Poti Baltic 1963 reserve MPK-166 MPK PC 204 Poti Baltic 1963 reserve MPK-156 MPK PC 204 Poti Northern 1963 reserve MPK-13 MPK PC 204 Poti Northern 1963 reserve MPK-45 MPK PC 204 Poti Baltic 1963 reserve MPK-50 MPK PC 204 Poti Baltic 1963 reserve MPK-10 MPK PC 204 Poti Black Sea 1964 reserve OS-573 (ex-MPK-62) MPK PC 204 Poti Black Sea 1964 training MPK-68 MPK PC 204 Poti Black Sea 1964 reserve MPK-1 MPK PC 204 Poti Pacific 1964 reserve MPK-55 MPK PC 204 Poti Baltic 1964 reserve MPK-70 MPK PC 204 Poti Baltic 1964 reserve MPK-63 MPK PC 204 Poti Northern 1964 reserve MPK-21 MPK PC 204 Poti Northern 1964 reserve MPK-23 MPK PC 204 Poti Baltic 1964 reserve MPK-38 MPK PC 204 Poti Black Sea 1965 reserve MPK-19 MPK PC 204 Poti Black Sea 1965 reserve MPK-17 MPK PC 204 Poti Pacific 1965 reserve SM-448 (ex-MPK-20) MPK PC 204 Poti Pacific 1965 training MPK-27 MPK PC 204 Poti Baltic 1965 reserve MPK-25 MPK PC 204 Poti Baltic 1965 reserve MPK-29 MPK PC 204 Poti Baltic 1965 reserve MPK-18 MPK PC 204 Poti Northern 1965 reserve MPK-54 MPK PC 204 Poti Northern 1965 reserve MPK-100 MPK PC 204 Poti Black Sea 1966 reserve MPK-111 MPK PC 204 Poti Pacific 1966 reserve MPK-112 MPK PC 204 Poti Pacific 1966 reserve MPK-74 MPK PC 204 Poti Baltic 1966 reserve MPK-80 MPK PC 204 Poti Baltic 1966 reserve MPK-90 MPK PC 204 Poti Northern 1966 reserve MPK-92 MPK PC 204 Poti Baltic 1966 reserve MPK-114 MPK PC 204 Poti Pacific 1967 reserve MPK-134 MPK PC 204 Poti Pacific 1967 reserve MPK-86 MPK PC 204 Poti Northern 1967 reserve MPK-95 MPK PC 204 Poti Northern 1967 reserve MPK-97 MPK PC 204 Poti Baltic 1967 reserve MPK-83 MPK PC 204 Poti Black Sea 1967 reserve MPK-94 MPK PC 204 Poti Baltic 1967 reserve MPK-98 MPK PC 204 Poti Baltic 1967 reserve MPK-128 MPK PC 204 Poti Black Sea 1968 reserve MPK-136 MPK PC 204 Poti Pacific 1968 reserve MPK-102 MPK PC 204 Poti Baltic 1968 reserve MPK-119 MPK PC 204 Poti Baltic 1968 reserve MPK-140 MPK PC 1241.2 Pauk I Baltic 1979 MPK-144 MPK PC 1241.2 Pauk I Baltic 1980 Komsomolets Bashkirii (ex-MPK-60) MPK PC 1241.2 Pauk I Baltic 1980 PSKR-800 PSKR PC 1241.2 Pauk I Nakhoda 1980 KGB MPK-76 MPK PC 1241.2 Pauk I Baltic 1981 PSKR-801 PSKR PC 1241.2 Pauk I Nakhoda 1981 KGB PSKR-802 PSKR PC 1241.2 Pauk I Tallin 1981 KGB MPK-93 MPK PC 1241.2 Pauk I Black Sea 1982 PSKR-803 PSKR PC 1241.2 Pauk I Nakhoda 1982 KGB PSKR-804 PSKR PC 1241.2 Pauk I Tallin 1982 KGB PSKR-805 PSKR PC 1241.2 Pauk I Nakhoda 1983 KGB PSKR-806 PSKR PC 1241.2 Pauk I Tallin 1983 KGB Grigoriy Kuropyatnikov PSKR PC 1241.2 Pauk I Balaklava 1984 KGB PSKR-807 PSKR PC 1241.2 Pauk I Nakhoda 1984 KGB PSKR-808 PSKR PC 1241.2 Pauk I Novorossisk 1984 KGB MPK-116 MPK PC 1241.2 Pauk I Black Sea 1985 PSKR-809 PSKR PC 1241.2 Pauk I Nakhoda 1985 KGB PSKR-810 PSKR PC 1241.2 Pauk I Ventspils 1986 KGB PSKR-811 PSKR PC 1241.2 Pauk I Novorossisk 1986 KGB PSKR-812 PSKR PC 1241.2 Pauk I Nakhoda 1986 KGB PSKR-813 PSKR PC 1241.2 Pauk I Balaklava 1987 KGB PSKR-814 PSKR PC 1241.2 Pauk I Novorossisk 1987 KGB PSKR-815 PSKR PC 1241.2 Pauk I Balaklava 1987 KGB PSKR-816 PSKR PC 1241.2 Pauk I Nakhoda 1987 KGB PSKR-815 PSKR PC 1241.2 Pauk I Ventspils 1988 KGB PSKR-817 PSKR PC 1241.2 Pauk I Ventspils 1988 KGB PSKR-818 PSKR PC 1241.2 Pauk I Nakhoda 1988 KGB MPK-? MPK PC 1241.2 Pauk I ? 1989 MPK-? MPK PC 1241.2 Pauk I ? 1989 MPK-? MPK PC 1241.2 Pauk I ? 1990 MPK-? MPK PC 1241.2 Pauk I ? 1990 MPK-192 MPK PC 1331M Parchim II Baltic 1986 MPK-205 MPK PC 1331M Parchim II Baltic 1987 MPK-67 MPK PC 1331M Parchim II Baltic 1987 MPK-99 MPK PC 1331M Parchim II Baltic 1988 MPK-105 MPK PC 1331M Parchim II Baltic 1988 MPK-213 MPK PC 1331M Parchim II Baltic 1988 MPK-216 MPK PC 1331M Parchim II Baltic 1988 MPK-219 MPK PC 1331M Parchim II Baltic 1988 MPK-224 MPK PC 1331M Parchim II Baltic 1989 MPK-227 MPK PC 1331M Parchim II Baltic 1989 MPK-228 MPK PC 1331M Parchim II Baltic 1989 MPK-229 MPK PC 1331M Parchim II Baltic 1990 Burya (ex-MRK-3) MRK PCM 1234 Nanuchka I Black Sea 1970 Briz (ex-MRK-7) MRK PCM 1234 Nanuchka I Pacific 1970 Vikhr MRK PCM 1234 Nanuchka I Pacific 1971 Volna MRK PCM 1234 Nanuchka I Northern 1971 Grad MRK PCM 1234 Nanuchka I Baltic 1972 Groza MRK PCM 1234 Nanuchka I Black Sea 1972 ************ chico20854 continued 3... Grom MRK PCM 1234 Nanuchka I Black Sea 1972 Zarnitsa MRK PCM 1234 Nanuchka I Black Sea 1973 Molniya MRK PCM 1234 Nanuchka I Baltic 1973 Shkval MRK PCM 1234 Nanuchka I Baltic 1974 Zarya MRK PCM 1234 Nanuchka I Northern 1974 Metel MRK PCM 1234 Nanuchka I Northern 1974 Shtorm MRK PCM 1234 Nanuchka I Baltic 1975 Raduga MRK PCM 1234 Nanuchka I Baltic 1975 Burun MRK PCM 1234 Nanuchka I Baltic 1977 Tsiklon MRK PCM 1234 Nanuchka I Pacific 1977 Veter MRK PCM 1234 Nanuchka I Northern 1978 Komsomolets Mordovyy (ex-Zyb) MRK PCM 1234 Nanuchka I Black Sea 1978 Aysberg MRK PCM 1234 Nanuchka I Northern 1979 Tucha MRK PCM 1234 Nanuchka I Northern 1980 Uragan MRK PCM 1234 Nanuchka I Northern 1983 Tayfun MRK PCM 1234.1 Nanuchka III Pacific 1979 Priboy MRK PCM 1234.1 Nanuchka III Northern 1984 Smerch MRK PCM 1234.1 Nanuchka III Pacific 1984 Priliv MRK PCM 1234.1 Nanuchka III Baltic 1985 Mirazh MRK PCM 1234.1 Nanuchka III Black Sea 1986 XX sezd VLKSM (ex-Liven) MRK PCM 1234.1 Nanuchka III Pacific 1987 Meteor MRK PCM 1234.1 Nanuchka III Baltic 1987 Rassvet MRK PCM 1234.1 Nanuchka III Northern 1988 Zyb MRK PCM 1234.1 Nanuchka III Baltic 1989 Geyzer MRK PCM 1234.1 Nanuchka III Baltic 1989 Moroz MRK PCM 1234.1 Nanuchka III Pacific 1989 Razliv MRK PCM 1234.1 Nanuchka III Pacific 1990 Passat MRK PCM 1234.1 Nanuchka III Baltic 1990 Liven MRK PCM 1234.1 Nanuchka III Baltic 1991 Perekat MRK PCM 1234.1 Nanuchka III ? 1992 Koreyets MRK PCM 1234.1 Nanuchka III ? 1992 Nakat MRK PCM 1234.7 Nanuchka IV Northern 1987 MRK-27 MRK PCM 1239 Dergach Black Sea 1990 MRK-17 MRK PCM 1239 Dergach Baltic 1991 ?? MRK PCM 1239 Dergach ? 1993 Aleksandr Kunakhovich MRP PH 1141 Babocha Black Sea 1977 MPK-215 MPK PH 1145.1 Mukha Black Sea 1987 MPK-220 MPK PH 1145.1 Mukha Black Sea 1990 MPK-231 MPK PH 1145.1 Mukha ? 1992 ?? MPK PH 1145.1 Mukha ? 1994 ??? MPK PH 1145.1 Mukha ? 1995 MRK-5 MRP PHM 1240 Sarancha Black Sea 1977 some classes are missing in the under 500 ton category, plus amphibious ships, mine warfare, auxilaries, the rest of the KGB border guard and submarines... Enjoy! -Chico ************ Stilleto69 Great list as always Chico. Now I can get to work on figuring out how the Russian Fleet in the Pacific managed to stay some what intact after two years of fighting the PRC's Navy and other questions regarding Soviet Naval deployments. (i.e. How the heck did the Russian Navy get out of the Black Sea and through the GIUK GAP without SOSUS picking it up?) Stilleto69 ************ DeaconR Chico: We need to list an acronym definition to go with these lists. DeaconR ************ chico20854 Hazegray has a good list at: http://www.hazegray.org/faq/smn2.htm I included the Soviet designations for the more purists out there. The NATO designations (DDG, FFL) and class names are also there, so the Soviet ones can be ignored if you want. chico20854 ************ DeaconR Thanks very much. BTW, here is the list of Canadian ships Destroyers Iroquois-class area air defence destroyers HMCS Algonquin HMCS Athabaskan HMCS Iroquois HMCS Huron (in reserve) Frigates Halifax-class multi-role patrol frigates HMCS Calgary HMCS Charlottetown HMCS Fredericton HMCS Halifax HMCS Montréal HMCS Ottawa HMCS Regina HMCS St. John's HMCS Toronto HMCS Vancouver HMCS Ville de Québec HMCS Winnipeg Submarines Oberon Class SSK HMCS Ojibwa HMCS Okanagan HMCS Onondaga Minor War Vessels Kingston-class Maritime Coastal Defence Vessel coastal defence vessels HMCS Brandon HMCS Edmonton HMCS Glace Bay HMCS Goose Bay HMCS Kingston HMCS Moncton HMCS Nanaimo HMCS Saskatoon HMCS Shawinigan HMCS Summerside HMCS Whitehorse HMCS Yellowknife Auxiliaries Protecteur-class auxiliary oil replenishment HMCS Preserver HMCS Protecteur DeaconR ************ chico20854 Soviet Submarine Force, Twilight War, 1 JUN 1996 (guesses as to names of new construction and which old diesel boats retained in reserve) shipbuilding program continues as in place 1988. Name Soviet Type NATO Type Soviet Proj NATO Class Fleet Yr Complete Notes K-279 PLARB SSBN 667B Delta I Northern 1972 K-450 PLARB SSBN 667B Delta I Northern 1972 SS-N-8 mod 2 carrier K-385 PLARB SSBN 667B Delta I Northern 1973 K-447 PLARB SSBN 667B Delta I Northern 1973 K-457 PLARB SSBN 667B Delta I Northern 1973 41 Sub Div K-171 PLARB SSBN 667B Delta I Northern 1974 K-366 PLARB SSBN 667B Delta I Pacific 1974 K-460 PLARB SSBN 667B Delta I Northern 1974 SS-N-8 mod 2 carrier K-465 PLARB SSBN 667B Delta I Northern 1974 K-472 PLARB SSBN 667B Delta I Northern 1974 SS-N-8 mod 2 carrier K-475 PLARB SSBN 667B Delta I Northern 1974 SS-N-8 mod 2 carrier K-417 PLARB SSBN 667B Delta I Pacific 1975 K-477 PLARB SSBN 667B Delta I Pacific 1975 K-497 PLARB SSBN 667B Delta I Pacific 1976 SS-N-8 mod 2 carrier K-500 PLARB SSBN 667B Delta I Pacific 1976 21 Sub Div SS-N-8 mod 2 carrier 70 Let VLKSM (ex-K-512) PLARB SSBN 667B Delta I Pacific 1977 SS-N-8 mod 2 carrier K-523 PLARB SSBN 667B Delta I Pacific 1977 SS-N-8 mod 2 carrier K-530 PLARB SSBN 667B Delta I Pacific 1977 SS-N-8 mod 2 carrier K-193 PLARB SSBN 667BD Delta II Northern 1975 SS-N-8 mod 2 carrier K-421 PLARB SSBN 667BD Delta II Northern 1975 SS-N-8 mod 2 carrier K-92 PLARB SSBN 667BD Delta II Northern 1975 SS-N-8 mod 2 carrier Shestidesyatiletie Velikogo Oktyabrya (ex-K-182) PLARB SSBN 667BD Delta II Northern 1975 SS-N-8 mod 2 carrier K-424 PLARB SSBN 667BDR Delta III Northern 1976 31 Sub Div K-441 PLARB SSBN 667BDR Delta III Pacific 1976 K-449 PLARB SSBN 667BDR Delta III Pacific 1976 K-455 PLARB SSBN 667BDR Delta III Pacific 1976 K-487 PLARB SSBN 667BDR Delta III Northern 1977 31 Sub Div K-490 PLARB SSBN 667BDR Delta III Pacific 1977 K-496 PLARB SSBN 667BDR Delta III Northern 1977 31 Sub Div K-506 PLARB SSBN 667BDR Delta III Pacific 1978 25 Sub Div K-211 PLARB SSBN 667BDR Delta III Pacific 1979 K-223 PLARB SSBN 667BDR Delta III Pacific 1979 K-180 PLARB SSBN 667BDR Delta III Pacific 1980 K-433 PLARB SSBN 667BDR Delta III Pacific 1980 K-44 PLARB SSBN 667BDR Delta III Northern 1982 31 Sub Div XXVI Zvezda KPSS (ex-K-51) PLARB SSBN 667BDRM Delta IV Northern 1984 K-84 PLARB SSBN 667BDRM Delta IV Northern 1985 13th Sub Div K-64 PLARB SSBN 667BDRM Delta IV Northern 1986 Tula (ex-K-114) PLARB SSBN 667BDRM Delta IV Northern 1987 K-117 PLARB SSBN 667BDRM Delta IV Northern 1988 13th Sub Div K-18 PLARB SSBN 667BDRM Delta IV Northern 1989 13th Sub Div K-407 PLARB SSBN 667BDRM Delta IV Northern 1990 K-179 PLARB SSBN 667BDRM Delta IV ? 1991 K-384 PLARB SSBN 667BDRM Delta IV ? 1992 K-55 PLARB SSBN 658U Hotel II Pacific 1960 reserve 45 Sub Div KS-19 (ex-K-19) aka "Widowmaker" PLARB SSBN 658M Hotel II Northern 1960 reserve 18 Sub Div K-178 PLARB SSBN 658U Hotel II Pacific 1962 training 45 Sub Div K-145 PLARB SSBN 701 Hotel III Northern 1962 reserve 18 Sub Div TK-208 PLARB SSBN 941 Typhoon Northern 1981 18th Sub Div TK-202 PLARB SSBN 941 Typhoon Northern 1983 18th Sub Div TK-12 PLARB SSBN 941 Typhoon Northern 1984 18th Sub Div TK-13 PLARB SSBN 941 Typhoon Northern 1985 18th Sub Div TK-17 PLARB SSBN 941 Typhoon Northern 1987 18th Sub Div TK-20 PLARB SSBN 941 Typhoon Northern 1989 18th Sub Div TK-210 PLARB SSBN 941 Typhoon ? 1991 18th Sub Div (materials assembled but never laid down IRL) TK-213 PLARB SSBN 941 Typhoon ? 1993 Leninist (ex-K-137) PLARB SSBN 667AU Yankee Northern 1967 K-26 PLARB SSBN 667AU Yankee Northern 1968 reserve KS-207 (ex-K-207) PLARB SSBN 677A Yankee Northern 1968 KS-32 (ex-K-32) PLARB SSBN 667A Yankee Northern 1968 KS-210 (ex-K-210) PLARB SSBN 677A Yankee Northern 1969 KS-249 (ex-K-249) PLARB SSBN 677A Yankee Northern 1969 K-418 PLARB SSBN 677A Yankee Northern 1970 K-426 PLARB SSBN 677A Yankee Northern 1970 K-434 PLARB SSBN 677AU Yankee Pacific 1970 KS-411 (ex-K-411) PLARB SSBN 09774 Yankee Northern 1970 K-245 PLARB SSBN 677AU Yankee Northern 1971 19 Sub Div K-252 PLARB SSBN 677AU Yankee Pacific 1971 K-389 PLARB SSBN 677A Yankee Pacific 1971 KS-214 (ex-K-214) PLARB SSBN 677AU Yankee Northern 1971 31 Sub Div K-228 PLARB SSBN 677AU Yankee Northern 1972 31 Sub Div K-241 PLARB SSBN 677AU Yankee Northern 1972 31 Sub Div K-258 PLARB SSBN 677AU Yankee Pacific 1972 K-444 PLARB SSBN 677AU Yankee Northern 1972 31 Sub Div K-446 PLARB SSBN 677AU Yankee Pacific 1972 60 Let VLKSM (ex-K-451) PLARB SSBN 677AU Yankee Pacific 1973 K-436 PLARB SSBN 677AU Yankee Pacific 1973 K-430 PLARB SSBN 677AU Yankee Pacific 1975 K-140 PLARB SSBN 667AM Yankee II Northern 1967 K-156 PLRK SSG 651 Juliett Baltic 1963 reserve K-70 PLRK SSG 651 Juliett Pacific 1964 reserve K-85 PLRK SSG 651 Juliett Baltic 1964 K-24 PLRK SSG 651 Juliett Baltic 1965 K-68 PLRK SSG 651 Juliett Baltic 1965 K-77 PLRK SSG 651 Juliett Baltic 1965 K-81 PLRK SSG 651 Juliett Black 1965 reserve K-58 PLRK SSG 651 Juliett Black 1966 reserve K-63 PLRK SSG 651 Juliett Pacific 1966 reserve K-73 PLRK SSG 651 Juliett Pacific 1966 reserve B-478 (ex-K-78) PLRK SSG 651 Juliett Baltic 1967 K-203 PLRK SSG 651 Juliett Baltic 1967 K-67 PLRK SSG 651 Juliett Black 1967 reserve K-120 PLRK SSG 651 Juliett Pacific 1968 reserve K-304 PLRK SSG 651 Juliett Baltic 1968 K-318 PLRK SSG 651 Juliett Black 1968 reserve S-128 PLRK SSG 633KS Romeo Black 1960 reserve BS-69 PLRK SSG P611 Zulu Pacific 1955 reserve K-121 PLARK SSGN 670A Charlie I Pacific 1969 K-212 (ex-K-87) PLARK SSGN 670A Charlie I Pacific 1969 K-25 PLARK SSGN 670A Charlie I Pacific 1969 K-308 PLARK SSGN 670A Charlie I Pacific 1970 K-313 PLARK SSGN 670A Charlie I Pacific 1970 reserve K-303 PLARK SSGN 670A Charlie I Pacific 1971 K-320 PLARK SSGN 670A Charlie I Pacific 1971 K-325 PLARK SSGN 670A Charlie I Pacific 1971 K-201 PLARK SSGN 670A Charlie I Pacific 1972 K-429 PLARK SSGN 670A Charlie I Pacific 1972 reserve K-452 PLARK SSGN 670M Charlie II Northern 1973 K-458 PLARK SSGN 670M Charlie II Northern 1975 K-479 PLARK SSGN 670M Charlie II Northern 1977 K-503 PLARK SSGN 670M Charlie II Northern 1978 K-508 PLARK SSGN 670M Charlie II Northern 1979 K-209 PLARK SSGN 670M Charlie II Northern 1980 K-104 PLARK SSGN 675 Echo II Northern 1963 reserve K-166 PLARK SSGN 675 Echo II Northern 1963 reserve K-1 PLARK SSGN 675MK Echo II Northern 1964 reserve K-172 PLARK SSGN 675 Echo II Northern 1964 reserve K-22 PLARK SSGN 675MK Echo II Baltic 1964 reserve K-428 (ex-K-28) PLARK SSGN 675 Echo II Northern 1964 reserve K-47 PLARK SSGN 675 Echo II Northern 1964 reserve K-74 PLARK SSGN 675 Echo II Northern 1964 reserve K-125 PLARK SSGN 675 Echo II Northern 1965 reserve K-35 PLARK SSGN 675MK Echo II Northern 1965 reserve K-90 (ex-K-111) PLARK SSGN 675 Echo II Northern 1965 reserve K-128 PLARK SSGN 675 Echo II Northern 1966 reserve K-131 PLARK SSGN 675 Echo II Northern 1966 reserve K-235 (ex-K-135 ) PLARK SSGN 675 Echo II Northern 1966 reserve K-10 PLARK SSGN 675 Echo II Pacific reserve K-108 PLARK SSGN 675 Echo II Pacific reserve K-116 PLARK SSGN 675 Echo II Pacific reserve K-127 (ex-K-7) PLARK SSGN 675 Echo II Pacific reserve K-134 (ex-K-34) PLARK SSGN 675 Echo II Pacific reserve K-175 PLARK SSGN 675 Echo II Pacific reserve K-184 PLARK SSGN 675 Echo II Pacific reserve K-192 PLARK SSGN 675 Echo II Pacific reserve K-23 PLARK SSGN 675 Echo II Pacific reserve K-431 (ex-K-31) PLARK SSGN 675 Echo II Pacific reserve K-48 PLARK SSGN 675K Echo II Pacific reserve K-557 (ex-K-57) PLARK SSGN 675 Echo II Pacific reserve K-56 PLARK SSGN 675 Echo II Pacific reserve K-94 PLARK SSGN 675 Echo II Pacific reserve K-5 PLARK SSGN 627A November Northern 1960 reserve K-525 PLARK SSGN 949 Oscar I Northern 1980 Minsk Komsomolets (ex-K-206) PLARK SSGN 949 Oscar I Northern 1983 K-148 PLARK SSGN 949A Oscar II Northern 1986 11th Sub Div K-173 PLARK SSGN 949A Oscar II Pacific 1986 10th Sub Div K-132 PLARK SSGN 949A Oscar II Pacific 1988 10th Sub Div K-119 PLARK SSGN 949A Oscar II Northern 1989 11th Sub Div K-410 PLARK SSGN 949A Oscar II Northern 1990 11th Sub Div K-442 PLARK SSGN 949A Oscar II Pacific 1990 10th Sub Div K-456 PLARK SSGN 949A Oscar II Pacific 1991 10th Sub Div K-186 PLARK SSGN 949A Oscar II Pacific 1992 10th Sub Div K-266 PLARK SSGN 949A Oscar II Northern 1992 11th Sub Div K-141 PLARK SSGN 949A Oscar II Northern 1993 K-150 PLARK SSGN 949A Oscar II Pacific 1994 K-329 PLARK SSGN 949A Oscar II Northern 1995 K-135 PLARK SSGN 949A Oscar II Northern 1996 K-160 PLARK SSGN 949A Oscar II Pacific 1996 K-222 (ex-K-162) PLARK SSGN 661 Papa Northern 1969 KS-216 (ex-K-216) PLARK SSGN 677AT Yankee Notch Northern 1968 SSGN K-253 PLARK SSGN 677AT Yankee Notch Northern 1969 SSGN K-395 PLARK SSGN 677AT Yankee Notch Northern 1969 SSGN K-399 PLARK SSGN 677AT Yankee Notch Pacific 1969 SSGN K-408 PLARK SSGN 677AT Yankee Notch Pacific 1969 SSGN K-236 PLARK SSGN 677AT Yankee Notch Pacific 1970 SSGN K-423 PLARK SSGN 677AT Yankee Notch Northern 1970 SSGN K-420 PLARK SSGN 677M Yankee Sidecar Northern 1970 SSGN KS-415 (ex-K-415) PLARK SSGN 09780 Yankee Stretch Pacific 1970 K-403 PLARK SSGN 09780 Yankee Stretch Northern 1971 K-284 PLA SSN 971 Akula I Pacific 1985 K-263 PLA SSN 971 Akula I Pacific 1986 K-322 PLA SSN 971 Akula I Pacific 1987 K-391 PLA SSN 971 Akula I Pacific 1988 K-480 PLA SSN 971 Akula I Northern 1988 K-317 PLA SSN 971 Akula I Northern 1989 K-331 PLA SSN 971 Akula I Pacific 1989 ************ chico20854 K-419 PLA SSN 971U Improved Akula I Pacific 1990 K-461 PLA SSN 971U Improved Akula I Northern 1990 K-267 PLA SSN 971U Improved Akula I Pacific 1991 K-328 PLA SSN 971U Improved Akula I Northern 1991 K-154 PLA SSN 971U Improved Akula I Northern 1992 K-295 PLA SSN 971U Improved Akula I Pacific 1992 K-157 PLA SSN 971U Improved Akula I Northern 1993 K-152 PLA SSN 971A Akula II Pacific 1993 K-319 PLA SSN 971A Akula II Pacific 1994 K-335 PLA SSN 971A Akula II Northern 1994 K-158 PLA SSN 971A Akula II ? 1995 K-280 PLA SSN 971A Akula II Pacific 1995 K-337 PLA SSN 971A Akula II Northern 1995 K-326 PLA SSN 971A Akula II ? 1996 K-453 PLA SSN 971A Akula II Northern 1996 K-531 (ex-K-123) PLA SSN 705 Alfa Northern 1977 new reactor K-373 PLA SSN 705 Alfa Northern 1978 K-316 PLA SSN 705 Alfa Northern 1979 K-432 PLA SSN 705 Alfa Northern 1982 K-463 PLA SSN 705 Alfa Northern 1982 K-493 PLA SSN 705 Alfa Northern 1983 K-239 PLA SSN 945 Sierra I Northern 1984 K-276 PLA SSN 945 Sierra I Northern 1987 K-534 PLA SSN 945A Sierra II ? 1990 K-336 PLA SSN 945A Sierra II Northern 1992 K-123 PLA SSN 945A Sierra II ? 1994 K-17 PLA SSN 945B Sierra III ? 1996 K-231 PLA SSN 945B Sierra III ? 1997 K-38 PLA SSN 671 Victor I Pacific 1967 K-147 PLA SSN 671 Victor I Northern 1968 K-69 PLA SSN 671 Victor I Northern 1968 K-306 PLA SSN 671 Victor I Northern 1969 K-53 PLA SSN 671 Victor I Pacific 1969 50 Let SSSR (ex-K-323) PLA SSN 671 Victor I Northern 1970 K-370 PLA SSN 671 Victor I Northern 1970 K-367 PLA SSN 671 Victor I Pacific 1971 K-438 PLA SSN 671 Victor I Northern 1971 K-314 PLA SSN 671V Victor I Northern 1972 K-398 PLA SSN 671 Victor I Northern 1972 K-454 PLA SSN 671V Victor I Pacific 1973 K-462 PLA SSN 671 Victor I Northern 1974 K-469 PLA SSN 671V Victor I Northern 1974 K-481 PLA SSN 671 Victor I Northern 1974 K-387 PLA SSN 671RT Victor II Northern 1972 K-371 PLA SSN 671RT Victor II Northern 1974 K-476 PLA SSN 671RT Victor II Northern 1975 K-488 PLA SSN 671RT Victor II Northern 1976 K-495 PLA SSN 671RT Victor II Northern 1976 K-513 PLA SSN 671RT Victor II Northern 1977 K-517 PLA SSN 671RT Victor II Northern 1978 K-138 PLA SSN 671RTM Victor III Northern 1978 K-218 PLA SSN 671RTM Victor III Northern 1978 50 Let Komsomolsk-na-Amur (ex-K-242) PLA SSN 671RTM Victor III Pacific 1979 K-244 PLA SSN 671RTM Victor III Pacific 1979 K-247 PLA SSN 671RTM Victor III Northern 1980 K-251 PLA SSN 671RTM Victor III Pacific 1980 K-254 PLA SSN 671RTM Victor III Northern 1980 K-264 PLA SSN 671RTM Victor III Pacific 1981 K-292 PLA SSN 671RTM Victor III Northern 1981 K-298 PLA SSN 671RTM Victor III Northern 1982 K-299 PLA SSN 671RTM Victor III Northern 1982 K-305 PLA SSN 671RTM Victor III Pacific 1982 K-255 PLA SSN 671RTM Victor III Northern 1983 K-324 PLA SSN 671RTM Victor III Northern 1983 K-355 PLA SSN 671RTM Victor III Pacific 1983 Murmansky Komsomolets (ex-K-358) PLA SSN 671RTM Victor III Northern 1983 K-360 PLA SSN 671RTM Victor III Pacific 1984 K-388 PLA SSN 671RTM Victor III Northern 1984 K-412 PLA SSN 671RTM Victor III Northern 1985 K-414 PLA SSN 671RTM Victor III Northern 1985 K-448 PLA SSN 671RTM Victor III Northern 1986 K-492 PLA SSN 671RTM Victor III Northern 1987 K-502 PLA SSN 671RTM Victor III Northern 1989 K-507 PLA SSN 671RTM Victor III Northern 1990 60 Let Shefstva VLKSM (ex-K-524) PLA SSN 671RTM Victor III Northern 1991 K-448 PLA SSN 671RTM Victor III Northern 1992 K-6 PLA SSN 671RTM Victor III ? 1992 K-293 PLA SSN 671RTM Victor III ? 1993 K-61 PLA SSN 671RTM Victor III ? 1994 K-130 PLA SSN 671RTM Victor III ? 1995 Severodvinsk PLA SSN 885 Yasen Northern 1995 K-177 PLA SSN 885 Yasen Northern 1996 K-183 PLA SSN 885 Yasen ? construction never completed K-45 PLA SSN 659 Echo I Pacific 1960 reserve K-59 PLA SSN 659 Echo I Pacific 1961 reserve K-66 PLA SSN 659 Echo I Pacific 1961 reserve K-122 PLA SSN 659 Echo I Pacific 1962 reserve K-259 PLA SSN 659 Echo I Pacific 1962 reserve K-170 (ex-K-86, KS-86) ? SSN Echo II Northern 1963 diver tranport converted K-54 (ex-K-33) PLA SSN 658T Hotel II Northern 1960 reserve 18 Sub Div K-16 PLA SSN 658T Hotel II Northern 1961 reserve 18 Sub Div K-40 PLA SSN 658T Hotel II Northern 1961 reserve 18 Sub Div Ukraine Komsomolets (ex-K-149) PLA SSN 658T Hotel II Northern 1962 training 18 Sub Div Leninsky Komsomol (ex-K-3) PLA SSN 627 November Northern 1958 reserve K-14 PLA SSN 627 November Pacific 1959 reserve K-115 PLA SSN 627 November Pacific 1960 reserve K-11 PLA SSN 627 November Northern 1961 reserve K-21 PLA SSN 627 November Northern 1961 reserve K-133 PLA SSN 627 November Pacific 1962 reserve K-181 PLA SSN 627 November Northern 1962 reserve K-159 PLA SSN 627 November Northern 1963 reserve K-52 PLA SSN 627 November Northern 1963 reserve K-60 PLA SSN 627 November Northern 1963 reserve Rostovsky Komsomolets (ex-K-42) PLA SSN 627 November Pacific 1963 reserve B-94 PL SS 641 Foxtrot Northern 1958 reserve B-135 PL SS 641 Foxtrot ? 1959 reserve B-36 PL SS 641 Foxtrot Black 1959 reserve B-833 (ex-B-133) PL SS 641 Foxtrot ? 1959 reserve B-95 PL SS 641 Foxtrot Northern 1959 reserve B-130 PL SS 641 Foxtrot Baltic 1960 reserve B-143 PL SS 641 Foxtrot Pacific 1960 reserve B-326 (ex-B-116) PL SS 641 Foxtrot Black 1960 reserve B-57 PL SS 641 Foxtrot ? 1960 reserve B-839 (ex-B-139) PL SS 641 Foxtrot ? 1960 reserve B-85 PL SS 641 Foxtrot ? 1960 reserve B-164 PL SS 641 Foxtrot Black 1961 reserve B-33 PL SS 641 Foxtrot Pacific 1961 reserve B-4 PL SS 641 Foxtrot Northern 1961 reserve B-59 PL SS 641 Foxtrot Black 1961 275 Sub Bde B-7 PL SS 641 Foxtrot ? 1961 reserve B-854 (ex-B-153) PL SS 641 Foxtrot ? 1961 reserve B-856 (ex-B-156) PL SS 641 Foxtrot ? 1961 reserve B-105 PL SS 641 Foxtrot Black 1962 reserve B-169 PL SS 641 Foxtrot ? 1962 reserve B-50 PL SS 641 Foxtrot ? 1962 reserve B-8 PL SS 641 Foxtrot ? 1962 reserve B-838 (ex-B-38) PL SS 641 Foxtrot ? 1962 reserve B-853 (ex-B-53) PL SS 641 Foxtrot ? 1962 reserve B-2 PL SS 641 Foxtrot ? 1963 B-31 PL SS 641 Foxtrot ? 1963 reserve B-55 PL SS 641 Foxtrot Pacific 1963 B-101 PL SS 641 Foxtrot ? 1964 B-103 PL SS 641 Foxtrot ? 1964 B-15 PL SS 641 Foxtrot Pacific 1964 B-6 PL SS 641 Foxtrot Black 1964 B-109 PL SS 641 Foxtrot Black 1965 B-112 PL SS 641 Foxtrot Pacific 1965 B-807 (ex-B-107) PL SS 641 Foxtrot Baltic 1965 B-821( ex-B-21, ex-Bryansk Komsomolets) PL SS 641 Foxtrot ? 1965 B-825 (ex-B-25) PL SS 641 Foxtrot ? 1965 B-9 PL SS 641 Foxtrot Black 1965 B-28 PL SS 641 Foxtrot ? 1966 B-34 PL SS 641 Foxtrot ? 1966 B-41 PL SS 641 Foxtrot ? 1966 B-826 (ex-B-26, ex-Yaroslavl Komsomolets) PL SS 641 Foxtrot ? 1966 B-840 (ex-B-40) PL SS 641 Foxtrot ? 1966 B-397 PL SS 641 Foxtrot ? 1967 B-46 PL SS 641 Foxtrot Black 1967 B-475 (ex-B-39) PL SS 641 Foxtrot Pacific 1967 Vladimirsky Komsomolets (ex-B-49) PL SS 641 Foxtrot ? 1967 B-413 PL SS 641 Foxtrot Baltic 1968 Ulyanov Komsomolets (ex-B-400) PL SS 641 Foxtrot ? 1968 B-205 PL SS 641 Foxtrot ? 1969 B-416 PL SS 641 Foxtrot ? 1969 B-213 PL SS 641 Foxtrot ? 1970 B-435 PL SS 641 Foxtrot Black 1970 155 Sub Bde B-440 PL SS 641 Foxtrot Baltic 1970 25 Sub Bde B-409 PL SS 641 Foxtrot ? 1971 B-427 PL SS 641 Foxtrot Pacific 1971 B-83 (ex-K-83, ex-B-42) ? SS 629R Golf SSQ Pacific 1959 29th Sub Div? BS-107 (ex-B-125, K-107, ex-B-107) ? SS 629R Golf SSQ Pacific 1960 reserve BS-167 (ex-K-61, ex-B-167) ? SS 629R Golf SSQ Pacific 1960 29th Sub Div? B-404 PL SS 636 Improved Kilo Pacific 1986 B-486 PL SS 636 Improved Kilo Pacific 1994 B-597 PL SS 636 Improved Kilo ? 1994 B-188 PL SS 636 Improved Kilo Pacific 1995 B-804 PL SS 636 Improved Kilo ? 1995 B-860 PL SS 636 Improved Kilo ? 1995 B-888 PL SS 636 Improved Kilo ? 1996 B-898 PL SS 636 Improved Kilo Pacific 1996 B-477 PL SS 636 Improved Kilo ? 1997 ************ chico20854 B-260 PL SS 877 Kilo Pacific 1981 B-248 PL SS 877 Kilo Pacific 1982 B-227 PL SS 877 Kilo Baltic 1983 B-229 PL SS 877 Kilo Pacific 1983 B-401 PL SS 877 Kilo Northern 1984 B-402 PL SS 877 Kilo Northern 1984 Tyumen Komsomolets (ex-B-405) PL SS 877 Kilo Pacific 1984 B-470 PL SS 877 Kilo Pacific 1985 B-439 PL SS 877 Kilo Pacific 1986 B-806 PL SS 877EKM Kilo ? 1986 training foreign crews B-445 PL SS 877 Kilo Pacific 1988 B-808 PL SS 877E Kilo ? 1988 Komsomolets Tadzhikistan (ex-B-394) PL SS 877 Kilo Pacific 1988 Vologodskiy Komsomolets (ex-B-800) PL SS 877 Kilo Northern 1989 B-459 PL SS 877M Kilo Northern 1990 B-464 PL SS 877M Kilo Pacific 1990 B-471 PL SS 877M Kilo Northern 1990 B-494 PL SS 877M Kilo Pacific 1990 B-871 PL SS 877V Kilo ? 1990 B-177 PL SS 877M Kilo Black 1991 B-187 PL SS 877M Kilo Pacific 1991 B-220 PL SS 877M Kilo Pacific 1992 B-340 PL SS 877M Kilo Pacific 1992 B-466 PL SS 877M Kilo ? 1992 B-175 PL SS 877M Kilo Pacific 1993 B-190 PL SS 877M Kilo Pacific 1993 B-224 PL SS 877M Kilo ? 1993 B-185 PL SS 877M Kilo Pacific 1994 B-345 PL SS 877M Kilo Northern 1994 UTS-350 (ex-S-350) PL SS 633 Romeo Black 1959 training S-37 PL SS 633L Romeo Black 1960 155 Sub Bde SS-11 PL SS 633RV Romeo Black 1961 475 Sub Div UTS-247 (ex-S-247, ex-S-47) PL SS 633RV Romeo Black 1961 475 Sub Div B-443 PL SS 641B Tango Northern 1973 B-474 PL SS 641B Tango Northern 1974 B-498 PL SS 641B Tango Northern 1975 Magnitogorsk Komsomolets (ex-B-437) PL SS 641B Tango Northern 1975 B-515 PL SS 641B Tango Northern 1976 B-519 PL SS 641B Tango Northern 1976 B-290 PL SS 641B Tango Northern 1977 B-303 PL SS 641B Tango Northern 1977 B-146 PL SS 641B Tango Northern 1978 B-546 PL SS 641B Tango Northern 1978 B-215 PL SS 641B Tango Northern 1979 B-30 PL SS 641B Tango Northern 1979 B-307 PL SS 641B Tango Baltic 1980 Novosibirsk Komsomolets (ex-B-396) PL SS 641B Tango Northern 1980 B-225 PL SS 641B Tango Northern 1981 B-319 PL SS 641B Tango Northern 1981 B-312 PL SS 641B Tango Baltic 1982 Gorkiy Komsomolets (ex-B-380) PL SS 641B Tango Black 1982 RZS-117 (ex-S-64) PL SS 644 Whiskey ? 1952 reserve S-43 PL SS 613S Whiskey ? 1952 reserve S-65 PL SS 613RV Whiskey ? 1952 reserve UTS-579 (ex-SS-63, ex-S-63) ? SS 666 Whiskey ? 1952 reserve test rescue boat Komsomolets Kazakhstan (ex-S-156) PL SS 613 Whiskey ? 1953 reserve RZS-457 (ex-PZS-57, S-140) PL SS 613V Whiskey ? 1953 reserve S-141 PL SS 613V Whiskey ? 1953 reserve S-145 PL SS 613V Whiskey ? 1953 reserve S-146 PL SS 613 Whiskey ? 1953 reserve S-154 PL SS 613V Whiskey ? 1953 reserve S-66 PL SS 613V Whiskey ? 1953 reserve S-67 PL SS 613V Whiskey ? 1953 reserve S-70 PL SS 613V Whiskey Black 1953 reserve S-72 PL SS 613V Whiskey ? 1953 reserve S-74 PL SS 613V Whiskey Black 1953 reserve S-76 PL SS 613V Whiskey ? 1953 reserve SS-552 (ex-S-147) PL SS 613 Whiskey ? 1953 reserve Ulyanov Komsomolets (ex-S-143) PL SS 613 Whiskey ? 1953 reserve UTS-161 (ex-S-148) PL SS 613 Whiskey ? 1953 reserve UTS-577 (ex-S-150) PL SS 613V Whiskey ? 1953 reserve S-100 PL SS 613 Whiskey Black 1954 reserve S-160 PL SS 613V Whiskey ? 1954 reserve S-161 PL SS 613V Whiskey ? 1954 reserve S-168 PL SS 613V Whiskey ? 1954 reserve S-172 PL SS 613V Whiskey ? 1954 reserve S-176 PL SS 613V Whiskey ? 1954 reserve S-181 PL SS 613V Whiskey ? 1954 reserve S-185 PL SS 613V Whiskey Black 1954 reserve S-86 PL SS 613V Whiskey ? 1954 reserve S-88 PL SS 613V Whiskey ? 1954 reserve S-96 PL SS 613 Whiskey Black 1954 reserve UTS-410 (ex-S-331) PL SS 613V Whiskey ? 1954 reserve Komsomolets Tadzhikistan (ex-S-221) PL SS 613 Whiskey ? 1955 reserve Pskov Komsomolets (ex-S-191) PL SS 613 Whiskey ? 1955 reserve RES-63 (ex-S-282) PL SS 613 Whiskey ? 1955 reserve S-194 PL SS 613V Whiskey Baltic 1955 reserve S-195 PL SS 613V Whiskey ? 1955 reserve S-197 PL SS 613V Whiskey Black 1955 reserve S-222 PL SS 613V Whiskey ? 1955 reserve S-224 PL SS 613V Whiskey Pacific 1955 reserve S-266 PL SS 613V Whiskey ? 1955 reserve S-273 PL SS 613E Whiskey ? 1955 reserve S-287 PL SS 613 Whiskey Black 1955 reserve UTS-430 (ex-S-333) PL SS 613 Whiskey ? 1955 reserve Vladimir Komsomolets (ex-S-283) PL SS 613 Whiskey ? 1955 reserve Bryansk Komsomolets (ex-S-330) PL SS 613 Whiskey ? 1956 reserve PZS-545 (ex-S-336) PL SS 613 Whiskey ? 1956 reserve S-294 PL SS 613V Whiskey ? 1956 reserve S-296 PL SS 613 Whiskey Black 1956 reserve S-359 PL SS 613 Whiskey ? 1956 reserve S-376 PL SS 613 Whiskey Black 1956 reserve S-390 PL SS 613 Whiskey ? 1956 reserve Ulyanov Komsomolets (ex-S-295) PL SS 613 Whiskey ? 1956 reserve UTS-320 (ex-S-337) PL SS 613 Whiskey ? 1956 reserve S-362 PL SS 613 Whiskey ? 1957 reserve S-363 PL SS 613 Whiskey Baltic 1957 reserve ran aground in Sweden 1981 S-364 PL SS 613 Whiskey ? 1957 reserve S-375 PL SS 613 Whiskey ? 1957 reserve S-377 PL SS 613 Whiskey ? 1957 reserve S-378 PL SS 613 Whiskey ? 1957 reserve S-379 PL SS 613 Whiskey ? 1957 reserve S-381 PL SS 613 Whiskey ? 1957 reserve S-382 PL SS 613 Whiskey ? 1957 reserve S-383 PL SS 613 Whiskey ? 1957 reserve S-384 PL SS 613Q Whiskey Black 1957 reserve S-392 PL SS 613 Whiskey ? 1957 reserve S-393 PL SS 613 Whiskey ? 1957 reserve PZS-86 (ex-RZS-923, ex-S-365) PL SS 613 Whiskey ? 1958 reserve S-62 PL SS 640 Whiskey Canvas Bag ? 1952 reserve PZS-63 (ex-S-151, SS-151, RZS-390) PL SS 640 Whiskey Canvas Bag ? 1953 reserve S-73 PL SS 640 Whiskey Canvas Bag ? 1953 reserve SS-149 (ex-S-149) PL SS 640 Whiskey Canvas Bag Black 1953 reserve B-75 PL SS 611 Zulu ? 1956 reserve RZS-248 (ex-B-76) PL SS 611 Zulu ? 1956 reserve RZS-253 (ex-B-88) PL SS 611 Zulu Pacific 1956 reserve UTS-226 (ex-B-877) PL SS 611 Zulu ? 1956 reserve B-80 PL SS 611 Zulu Northern 1957 reserve B-881 (ex-B-81) PL SS 611 Zulu ? 1957 reserve BS-82 PL SS 611 Zulu Northern 1957 reserve UTS-423 (ex-B-90) PL SS 611 Zulu ? 1957 reserve B-891 PL SS 611 Zulu ? 1958 reserve B-372 (ex-B-40, ex-K-72) PLRB SSB 629A Golf II Baltic 1959 16th Sub Div B-79 (ex-K-79, ex-B-41) PLRB SSB 629A Golf II Baltic 1959 16th Sub Div B-96 (ex-B-92, ex-K-96) PLRB SSB 629A Golf II Baltic 1959 16th Sub Div K-126 (ex-B-93) PLRB SSB 629A Golf II Pacific 1959 reserve 29th Sub Div? B-183 (ex-B-45) PLRB SSB 629A Golf II Baltic 1960 16th Sub Div K-136 (ex-B-109) PLRB SSB 629A Golf II Pacific 1960 reserve 29th Sub Div? B-93 (ex-B-61, ex-K-93) PLRB SSB 629A Golf II Baltic 1961 16th Sub Div K-139 (ex-B-113) PLRB SSB 629A Golf II Pacific 1961 reserve 29th Sub Div? K-575 (ex-K-175, ex-B-575) PLRB SSB 629A Golf II Pacific 1961 reserve 29th Sub Div? B-142 (ex-K-142) PLRB SSB 629A Golf II Baltic 1962 16th Sub Div K-163 PLRB SSB 629A Golf II Pacific 1962 reserve 29th Sub Div? K-99 PLRB SSB 629A Golf II Pacific 1962 reserve 29th Sub Div? RZS-439 (ex-K-118, ex-B-118, ex-B-149) PLRB SSB 601 Golf III Northern 1960 reserve BS-153 (ex-B-153, ex-K-153) PLRB SSB 619 Golf V Black 1961 155 Sub Bde BS-78 (ex-B-78, ex-Murmansk Komsomolets) PLRB SSB AV611D Zulu V Black 1957 minelayer UTS-352 (ex-B-89, ex-BS-93) PLRB SSB AV611E Zulu V Pacific 1957 SS-533 ? AGSS 01710 Beluga Black 1987 155 Sub Bde SS-368 (ex-S-368) ? AGSS 690 Bravo Pacific 1967 SS-226 (ex-S-226) ? AGSS 690 Bravo Black 1968 475 Sub Bn SS-256 (ex-S-256) ? AGSS 690 Bravo Northern 1968 9th Sub Sqn AA-310 (ex-S-310) ? AGSS 690 Bravo Baltic 1970 Komsomolets Uzbekistan (ex-BS-486) ? AGSS 940 India Pacific 1976 BS-257 ? AGSS 940 India Northern 1979 BS-555 ? AGSS 1840 Lima Black 1979 155 Sub Bde MS-520 ? AGSS 865 Losos Baltic 1988 22 Sub Bde MS-521 ? AGSS 865 Losos Baltic 1990 MS-522 ? AGSS 865 Losos Pacific 1992 MS-523 ? AGSS 865 Losos Black 1994 AS-13 ? AGSS 1910 Uniform Northern 1986 AS-16 ? AGSS 1910 Uniform Northern 1989 AS-15 ? AGSS 1910 Uniform Northern 1991 AS-19 ? AGSS 1910 Uniform Northern 1995 AS-23 ? AGSS 1851 X-ray Northern 1986 AS-21 ? AGSS 1851 X-ray Northern 1991 AS-35 ? AGSS 1851 X-ray Northern 1995 UTS-352 (ex-B-89) ? AGSS AV611E Zulu Pacific 1957 reserve KS-129 (ex-K-129) ? SSN 09786 Delta III Northern 1981 ************ chico20854 Soviet submarine project notes: Project 01710 (NATO: Beluga) Project 09774 (NATO: Yankee-Stretch) Project 09774: midget submarine carrier Project 09780 (NATO: Yankee-Pod) Project 09780: radio equipment and a towed hydroacoustic station, no missile compartment Project 09786: midget submarine carrier Project 1840 (NATO: Lima) Project 18401: modernized to support rescue operations, as well as raising military equipment from underwater, with the help of divers Project 1851 (NATO: X-ray) Project 1851: small nuclear powered submarine, intended for deep water works with the use of divers. All served in the Northern Fleet. Project 1910 (NATO: Uniform) Project 1910: small nuclear powered submarine. Mainly used for research, but could also carry special forces (divers). All served in the Northern Fleet. Project 601 (NATO: Golf III) Project 601: equipped with 6 R-29 missiles [SS-N-8] Project 605 (NATO: Golf IV) Project 605: equipped with 4 R-27K missiles [SS-N-13] Project 611 (NATO: Zulu) Project 613 (NATO: Whiskey) Project 613E: testing new power plant independent from atmospheric air Project 613Q: modified to launch torpedoes at up to 70m depth Project 613RV: test boat for the RPK-2 Vyuga [SS-N-15] Project 613S: testing various rescue equipment, incl. new rescue camera Project 613V: endurance increased to 45 days Project 619 (NATO: Golf V) Project 619: equipped with 1 R-39 missile [SS-N-20] Project 627 Kit/November Class Project 629 (NATO: Golf I) Project 629A (NATO: Golf II) Project 629A: equipped with 3 R-21 missiles [SS-N-5] Project 629B (NATO: Golf II) Project 629B: equipped with 2 R-21 missiles [Specially designed for missile tests] Project 629N: experimental minelayer Project 629R (NATO: Golf SSQ) Project 629R: communication command post Project 633 (NATO: Romeo) Project 633KS: test submarine, equipped with 3M10 Granat cruise missiles [SS-N-21] Project 633L: research submarine to test water friction againt the hull Project 633RV: test submarines, equipped with RPK-6 Vodopad [SS-N-15] and RPK-7 Veter [SS-N-16] Project 636 (NATO: Improved Kilo) Project 636: modernized Project 877 Project 636M: equipped with 6 ZM-54E Klab anti-ship cruise missiles [SS-N-27] Project 640: long range radar [Whiskey Canvas Bag] Project 641 (NATO: Foxtrot) Project 641B (NATO: Tango) Project 644: equipped with 2 P-5 cruise missiles [Whiskey Twin Cylinder] Project 651 / Juliett Project 658 (NATO: Hotel I) Project 658M (NATO: Hotel II) Project 658M: equipped with 3 R-21 missiles [SS-N-5]. Project 658T: missiles removed, attack submarines Project 658U: communication relay submarines & command posts Project 659, NATO code "Echo I" Project 661 (NATO: Papa) Project 666: experimental submarine rescue boat Project 667A (NATO: Yankee) Project 667AK (NATO: Yankee-Pod) Project 667AK: communication submarine, test of acoustic and non-acoustic radio-electronic armament Project 667AM (NATO: Yankee II) Project 667AM: equipped with 12 R-31 missiles [SS-N-17]. Project 667AT (NATO: Yankee-Notch) Project 667AT: missile tubes removed, attack submarines, equipped with RK-55 cruise missiles [SS-N-21] and torpedoes Project 667AU (NATO: Yankee) Project 667AU: equipped with 16 R-27U missiles [SS-N-6 mod. 2/3]. Project 667B (NATO: Delta I) Project 667BD (NATO: Delta II) Project 667BDR (NATO: Delta III) Project 667BDRM (NATO: Delta IV) Project 667M (NATO: Yankee-Sidecar) Project 667M: equipped with 12 Meteorit-M cruise missiles [SS-NX-24] Project 670A("Skat" type), NATO code "Charlie I" Project 670M("Skat-M" type), NATO code "Charlie II" Project 671 Victor class Project 671,671V,671K ("Yersy" type), NATO code "Victor I" Project 671RT("Semga" type), NATO code "Victor II" Project 671RTM ("Schuka" type), NATO code "Victor III" Project 675, NATO code "Echo II" Project 690 (NATO: Bravo) Project 701 (NATO: Hotel III) Project 701: equipped with 6 R-29 missiles [SS-N-8] Project 705 Lira/NATO: Alfa Project 865 (NATO: Losos) Project 877 (NATO: Kilo) Project 877EKM: export model for tropical waters Project 877LPMB: new screw and escape hatch, additional acoustic equipment Project 877M: modernized version, 8 built to this standard Project 877V: experimental water jet, instead of standard screw Project 885 Yasen / Graney Project 940 (NATO: India) Project 941 (NATO: Typhoon) Project 941U: originally to have been equipped with 20 R-39M missiles [SS-N-28], but will now receive the 3M14 Bulava missile [SS-N-30] instead. Project 945 ("Barrakuda" type), NATO code "Sierra I" Project 945 Sierra class Project 945A ("Kondor" type), NATO code "Sierra II" Project 945B ("Mars" type), NATO code "Sierra III?" Project 949 (NATO: Oscar I) Project 949A (NATO: Oscar II) Project 971 Shuka-B (Akula) Project 971 Shuka-B Bars-class Project 971A / 971M Shuka-B (Akula II) Project 971U Shuka-B (NATO code "improved Akula I") Project AV611 (NATO: Zulu V) Project AV611: equipped with two R-11FM missiles [SS-1b] Project AV611D: experimental minelayer Project AV611E: for hydroacoustic studies and sonar tests Project P611: equipped with one P-10 cruise missile Enjoy! -Chico
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Matt Wiser Thanks, Chico! BTW K-141 was the Kursk. Matt Wiser ************ Matt Wiser Chico: any Soviet Naval Aviation info going to be added? Don't ask me why, but for some reason they had AF ranks, not naval ones. Matt Wiser ************ chico20854 This is what I got off of orbat.com last year. I'll bounce it against my other info at home this weekend. I undid the transfer of Frontal Aviation units to naval aviation that was done after the CFE treaty went into effect (the Soviets believed that naval forces were exempt and transferred strike aviation units and Motor Rifle Divisions to the Navy and claimed they were coastal defense). Additional regiments would be stood up to operate aircraft on the new carriers too. VMF, HQ Moscow Direct reporting: 33rd Center for Combat Employment and Retraining of Naval Aviation Crews im. E.N. Preobrazhenskiy [33rd TsBP i PLS] (Kulbakino, near Nikolayevym) with: - 540th IIMRAP (Kulbakino, near Nikolayevym) with 18 Tu-22M and 21 Tu-16 - 555th IIPLVP (Ochakov) with Ka-25 and Ka-27 - 316th OPLAE (Kulbakino, near Nikolayevym) with Be-12 An IIAP was activated in Saki 1989, to test various aircraft for the new "Kuznetsov" carrier. Northern Fleet (SF): 5th "Kirkenesskaya" Rad Banner MRAD (Olenegorsk, Murmansk oblast) - 574th MRAP (Katunino [Lakhta], Arkhangelsk area) with 25 Tu-22M - 924th Guards "Kirkenesskaya" Red Banner MRAP (Olenegorsk, Murmansk oblast) with 32 Tu-22M and 5 Tu-16K-10-26 - 978th MRAP (Severomorsk-3) with 29 Tu-16K-10-26 35th PLAD (Fedotov, Vologodskaya oblast) - 76th PLAP DD (Fedotov, Vologodskaya oblast) with Tu-142M, Tu-142M3 - 135th PLAP DD (Fedotov, Vologodskaya oblast) with Tu-142M, Tu-142M3 24th OPLAP (Severomorsk-1) with Il-38 392nd ODRAP (Kipelovo, Vologda area) with Tu-95RQ 403rd OPLAP (Severomorsk-2 (Safonovo)) with Be-12 830th OKPLVP (Severomorsk-2 (Safonovo)) with Ka-25/27 (in 4 sqns) 279th OMShAP (Severomorsk-3) with 9 Su-25UTG/UBP and Yak-38 (Carrier Air unit) ? OSAP (?) with transport aircraft Baltic Fleet (BF): 57th "Smolensk" Red Banner MRAD (Bykhov, Mogilev area, Belorussian SSR) - 12th MRAP (Ostrov) with Tu-16 [the two regiments at Ostrov had a total of 63 Tu-16] - 171st Guards MRAP (Bykhov) with 18 Tu-22M, 10 Tu-16 - 240th Guards MRAP (Ostrov) with Tu-16 15th "Tallin" Red Banner Order of Ushakov ODRAP (Chernyakhovsk, Kaliningrad region) with 12 Su-24 and 32 Su-17 49th OPLAE (Kosa, Baltiysk area) with Be-12 145th OPLAE (Riga-Skulte) with Il-38 396th OKPLVP (Donskoye) with Ka-27 745th OKPLVP (Donskoye) with Mi-14, Ka-25 263rd OTAP (Khrabrovo) with transport aircraft Black Sea Fleet (CHF) 2nd Guards "Sevastopol" MRAD im. N.A. Tokarev (Gvardeyskoye, Crimea) - 5th Guards "Konstantskiy" MRAP (Veseloye, Crimea) with 22 Tu-22M, 16 Tu-16 - 124th MRAP (Gvardeyskoye, Crimea) with 19 Tu-16 - 943rd MRAP (Oktyabrskoye, Crimea) with 21 Tu-22M, 6 Tu-22R, 6 Tu-16K-10-26 318th OPLAP (Donuzlav, Crimea) with Be-12 917th OSAP (Kacha) with transport aircraft 872nd OPLVP (Kacha) with Mi-14, Mi-8 78th OKPLVP (Donuzlav, Crimea) with Ka-25/27 Pacific Fleet (TOF) 25 MRAD Alekseyevka, Khanka region, Primorskiy Kray 141 MRAP Tu-22M2 Artem 183 MRAP Tu-22M2 Alekseyevka 143 MRAD Sovetskaya Gavan 568 MRAP Tu-16K-10-26* Petrapavlosk 570 MRAP Tu-16K-10-26* Sovetskaya Gavan * Badger C-mod 73rd OMShAP (Pristanya, Vladivostok area) with Su-17M2/3 304th OMRAP DD (Khorol, Primorskiy Kray) with Tu-94RQ 310th OMRAP DD (Mongokhto, Sovetskaya Gavan' area) with Tu-142/Tu-142M 77th OPLAP (Nikolayevka, south Primorskiy Kray) with Il-38 289th OPLAP (Zolotaya Dolina) with Be-12 317th OSAP (Petropavlovsk-Kamchatka) with Be-12 169th OSAP (Kamrani, Vietnam) with Tu-95RQ and MiG-23MLD (one sqn.) 311th OKShAP (Pristanya, Vladivostok area) with Yak-38 710th OKPLVP (Novonezhino) with Ka-25/27 46th OPLAE (Korsakov) with Mi-14, Mi-8 51st OPLAE (Novonezhino) with Mi-14, Mi-8 593rd OTAP (Nikolayevka) with transport aircraft abbreviations: MRAD: Naval Missile-carrying Aviation Division MRAP: Naval Missile-carrying Aviation Regiment OKPLVE: Independent Ship-borne Anti-submarine Helicopter Squadron OKPLVP: Independent Ship-borne Anti-submarine Helicopter Regiment OKShAP: Independent Ship-borne Shturmovik Aviation Regiment OMRAP: Independent Naval Missile-carrying Aviation Regiment OMShAE: Independent Naval Shturmovik Aviation Squadron OMShAP: Independent Naval Shturmovik Aviation Regiment OPLAP DD: Independent Long range Anti-submarine Aviation Regiment OPLAE: Independent Anti-submarine Helicopter Squadron OPLVP: Independent Anti-submarine Helicopter Regiment OSAP: Independent Composite Aviation Regiment OSPLAP: Independent Composite Anti-submarine Aviation Regiment OTAP: Independent Transport Aviation Regiment chico20854 ************ Matt Wiser I take it that's a 1989 OB, then. The carrier regiment has Su-33s (navalized Su-27s) and Ka-27 variants nowadays. The MiG-29K was still a likely choice for the fighter/attack role, with the Su-33s being the fleet defense interceptor. The Kiev-class carriers would've had the Yak-41 as a Yak-38 replacement. The Yak-44 was under development for AEW off the big ships. (It was a E-2 clone) Matt Wiser ************ thefusilier I just finished reading the published War Games done by the Naval College which was posted here a couple weeks ago. For you guys doing the naval timeline and events have you read it? I recommend it. While I am not casting doubt on the members here, the War Games had resources to create a timeline of events we don't have... a staff of 600 people from many different agencies, up to date OOBs, politicians playing the role of politicians, Soviets played by intelligence people whose focus is the USSR, information concerning munitions stockpiles, and a battle damage assesment computer. __________________ The Fusilier thefusilier ************ antimedic Can you put that link up? antimedic ************ chico20854 They're at: http://www.nwc.navy.mil/press/npapers/np4/np4.pdf about the 1979-83 series and http://www.nwc.navy.mil/press/npapers/np20/NP20.pdf for the 1984-8 series. I'm right about to start a long document on NATO maritime strategy and possible Soviet response to it. They rely to a great extent on those 2 documents. The reason for not adopting the wargames wholesale are the later date (allowing Soviet deployment of fixed-wing CVs, for example) and the difference in the situation on the Central front and the China front. I'm also doing a little more research on Soviet weapons systems, things that the West wasn't aware of such as the Shval 200-knot torpedo. (This relates to the basic issue of how come canon NATO naval losses are so high.) chico20854 ************ Antenna Naval Forces : Sweden-97 Due to the war only one Gotland class submarine was ready to deliver and had trained staff when the Uppsala Conflict started. Instead of getting rid of one older type Näcken submarine Swedish Armed Forces didn't sell the Näcken system to any one else or scraped it. 1st Submarine Flotilla 1 GOTLAND Class Submarines, 4 VÄSTERGÖTLAND class 2nd Surface Flotilla 20th Missileboat Division, 4 type NORRKÖPING class 21st Missileboat Division, 2 type STOCKHOLM class 23th Small ASW-boat Division, 4 type KAPAREN class Staff/Supportship HMS Visborg 3rd Surface Flotilla 18th Missileboat Division, 4 type HUGIN class 31st Missileboat Division, 4 type GÖTEBORG class 34th Missileboat Division, 6 type NORRKÖPING class 36th Small ASW-boat Division, 6 type KAPAREN class Staff/Supportship HMS Trossö 4th MCM Flotilla 41st MCM Division 411st MCM Squadron 412nd MCM Squadron 416th Boyeboat Squadron Staff/Supportships HMS Utö, HMS Urd 42nd MCM Division 421st MCM Squadron 422nd MCM Squadron 426th Boyeboat Squadron Staff/Supportships HMS Gålö, HMS Carlskrona 5th Submarine Flottilla 3 type NÄCKEN class Helicopter Wing 1st Helo Div 6 type Hkp 4C, 4 type Hkp 6 3rd Helo Div 6 type Hkp 4C, 4 type Hkp 6 2nd Helo Sqd 2 type Hkp 4C, 2 type Hkp 6 Naval Forces : Sweden-99 1. Submarine group 3x Västergötland, 2x Gotland 2. Surface Attack Flottilla 20th Missileboat Division, 1 type NORRKÖPING class, 1 type STOCKHOLM class 23th Small ASW-boat Division, 2 type KAPAREN class 3. Surface Attack Flottilla 31st Missileboat Division, 2 type GÖTEBORG class 34th Missileboat Division, 2 type NORRKÖPING class, 2 type HUGIN class 36th Small ASW-boat Division, 2 type KAPAREN class 4th MCM Flotilla 41st MCM Division 411st MCM Squadron 416th Boyeboat Squadron Staff/Supportships HMS Utö 42nd MCM Division 422nd MCM Squadron 426th Boyeboat Squadron Staff/Supportships HMS Carlskrona Helo Wing 1st Helo Div 4 type Hkp 4C, 3 type Hkp 6 3rd Helo Div 4 type Hkp 4C, 4 type Hkp 6 2nd Helo Sqd 2 type Hkp 6 Taken from my webpages. I gonna dig deap into my files to give you the name of the vessels from Sweden-97. Antenna __________________ I can only make one person happy per day... Today ain't your day... Tomorrow seems to be a bad day also... Antenna Visit Antenna's homepage! ************ chico20854 Antenna- Do you have a timeline of the Soviet-Swedish conflict? For the battles in the Norwegian Sea it is important whether the Soviet bombers can overfly Sweden and how viable is Spetsnaz infiltration through Sweden to attack Narvik etc from the land side (not easy I know... I've walked through Padjelanta and Sarek!). If Sweden is held neutral like Finland is until later in the war then that complicates things for the USSR. Thanks (and thanks for the Swedish fleet list)! -Chico ************** Antenna I tell you what walking thru Northern Sweden to attack Narvik would be suicide for any spetznas. I would put the 'nazers in a U-boat and land them near narvik instead. Antenna __________________ I can only make one person happy per day... Today ain't your day... Tomorrow seems to be a bad day also... Antenna Visit Antenna's homepage! ************ Stilleto69 Originally posted by Chico >>I'm also doing a little more research on Soviet weapons systems, things that the West wasn't aware of such as the Shval 200-knot torpedo. (This relates to the basic issue of how come canon NATO naval losses are so high.)<< Great thought Chico, but I think that even if the Soviets were developing such weapons, the CIA, MI5/MI6 or other Western intelligence agencies would either try to get an agent inside or find one of the disgruntled scientist working on the project to help us. Stilleto69 ************ chico20854 I've been a little deficient in posting naval fleet lists, so here comes one: Soviet Amphibious Warfare Fleet, Twilight War, 1 OCT 1996 Name/Hull No. Name Soviet Type NATO Type Soviet Project NATO Class Fleet Yr Completed Notes Project 1174 Ivan Rogov Ivan Rogov BDK LPD 1174 Ivan Rogov Pacific 1978 Aleksandr Nikolayev Ivan Rogov BDK LPD 1174 Ivan Rogov Pacific 1982 Mitrofan Moskalenko Ivan Rogov BDK LPD 1174 Ivan Rogov Northern 1990 Project 775 (NATO: Ropucha) BDK-151 Nikolay Koraskov BDK LST 775 Ropucha Northern 1984 121st Landing Bde BDK-100 BDK LST 775 Ropucha Black 1980 197th Landing Bde BDK-101 Zemlyansk BDK LST 775 Ropucha Pacific 1980 100th Landing Bde BDK-105 BDK LST 775 Ropucha Baltic 1983 71st Landing Bde BDK-14 BDK LST 775M Ropucha II Pacific 1991 100th Landing Bde BDK-121 Aleksandr Shabalin BDK LST 775 Ropucha Baltic 1983 71st Landing Bde BDK-122 BDK LST 775M Ropucha II Baltic 1991 71st Landing Bde BDK-14 Mukhtar Avezov BDK LST 775 Ropucha Pacific 1975 100th Landing Bde BDK-182 Bobruisk BDK LST 775 Ropucha Northern 1983 121st Landing Bde BDK-200 BDK LST 775 Ropucha Northern 1984 121st Landing Bde BDK-32 BDK LST 775 Ropucha Northern 1975 121st Landing Bde BDK-43 BDK LST 775 Ropucha Baltic 1976 71st Landing Bde BDK-45 Grigori Pobedenosets BDK LST 775 Ropucha Northern 1976 121st Landing Bde BDK-46 BDK LST 775 Ropucha Black 1976 197th Landing Bde BDK-47 BDK LST 775 Ropucha Baltic 1977 71st Landing Bde BDK-54 BDK LST 775M Ropucha II Black 1990 197th Landing Bde BDK-55 Aleksandr Otrakovski BDK LST 775 Ropucha Northern 1977 121st Landing Bde BDK-56 Konstantin Olshansky BDK LST 775 Ropucha Black 1985 197th Landing Bde BDK-58 Kaliningrad BDK LST 775 Ropucha Baltic 1977 71st Landing Bde BDK-60 BDK LST 775 Ropucha Baltic 1978 71st Landing Bde BDK-63 BDK LST 775 Ropucha Pacific 1979 100th Landing Bde BDK-64 Tsesar Kunikov BDK LST 775 Ropucha Black 1984 197th Landing Bde BDK-67 Yamal BDK LST 775 Ropucha Black 1978 197th Landing Bde BDK-91 Olegenorski Gornyak BDK LST 775 Ropucha Northern 1982 121st Landing Bde BDK-98 BDK LST 775 Ropucha Pacific 1982 100th Landing Bde Project 1171 (NATO: Alligator) BDK-66 Sergei Lazo BDK LST 1171 Alligator Pacific 1968 Type II Aleksandr Tortsev BDK LST 1171 Alligator Pacific 1968 Type III Donetsky Shakhter BDK LST 1171 Alligator Baltic 1969 Type III Nikolay Fil'chenkov BDK LST 1171 Alligator Black 1975 Type IV Krasnaya Presnaya BDK LST 1171 Alligator Baltic 1974 Type III BDK-69 Nikolay Obyekov BDK LST 1171 Alligator Black 1969 Type II Nikolay Vilkov BDK LST 1171 Alligator Pacific 1974 Type IV BDK-104 Il'ya Azarov BDK LST 1171 Alligator Black 1974 Type III BDK-25 Tomskiy Komsomolets BDK LST 1171 Alligator Pacific 1967 Type I BDK-6 Krymskiy Komsomolets BDK LST 1171 Alligator Black 1966 Type I BDK-62 Komsomolets Karelyy BDK LST 1171 Alligator Baltic 1967 Type I BDK-65 Voronezhskiy Komsomolets BDK LST 1171 Alligator Black 1966 Type I BDK-77 Petr Ilichev BDK LST 1171 Alligator 1969 Type III BDK-80 50 Let Sheftsva VLKSM BDK LST 1171 Alligator Pacific 1975 Type III Project 770 Polnocny A SDK-10 SDK LSM 770 Polnocny A Baltic SDK-2 SDK LSM 770 Polnocny A Baltic SDK-21 SDK LSM 770 Polnocny A Baltic SDK-24 SDK LSM 770 Polnocny A Baltic MDK-36 SDK LSM 770 Polnocny A Caspian MDK-37 SDK LSM 770 Polnocny A Caspian SDK-7 SDK LSM 770 Polnocny A Baltic Project 771 Polnocny B MDK-107 SDK LSM 771 Polnocny B Caspian 1970 MDK-69 SDK LSM 771 Polnocny B Caspian 1967 SDK-111 SDK LSM 771 Polnocny B Pacific 1968 SDK-112 SDK LSM 771 Polnocny B 1969 SDK-119 SDK LSM 771 Polnocny B Baltic 1970 SDK-120 SDK LSM 771 Polnocny B 1969 SDK-121 SDK LSM 771 Polnocny B 1970 SDK-137 SDK LSM 771 Polnocny B Black 1971 SDK-156 SDK LSM 771 Polnocny B Baltic 1969 SDK-102 SDK LSM 771 Polnocny B Black 1971 SDK-171 SDK LSM 771 Polnocny B 1969 SDK-172 SDK LSM 771 Polnocny B Pacific 1971 SDK-19 SDK LSM 771 Polnocny B 1967 SDK-44 SDK LSM 771 Polnocny B 1967 SDK-45 SDK LSM 771 Polnocny B 1967 SDK-70 SDK LSM 771 Polnocny B 1968 SDK-71 SDK LSM 771 Polnocny B 1968 SDK-73 SDK LSM 771 Polnocny B Black 1970 SDK-74 SDK LSM 771 Polnocny B 1968 SDK-79 SDK LSM 771 Polnocny B Baltic 1969 SDK-83 SDK LSM 771 Polnocny B Black 1969 SDK-84 SDK LSM 771 Polnocny B 1968 SDK-96 SDK LSM 771 Polnocny B Black 1970 SDK-99 SDK LSM 771 Polnocny B Pacific 1970 Project 773 Polnocny C SDK-154 SDK LSM 773 Polnocny C Black 1971 SDK-135 SDK LSM 773 Polnocny C Pacific 1972 SDK-164 SDK LSM 773 Polnocny C Black 1974 SDK-20 SDK LSM 773 Polnocny C 1972 SDK-22 SDK LSM 773 Polnocny C 1972 SDK-61 SDK LSM 773 Polnocny C 1973 SDK-72 SDK LSM 773 Polnocny C 1973 SDK-82 SDK LSM 773 Polnocny C Black 1974 Project 1232.2 Zubr Pomornik class Amphibious landing craft (hovercraft) ? MDK LCAC 1232.2 Pomornik Pacific 1988 MDK-104 MDK LCAC 1232.2 Pomornik Pacific 1988 MDK-106 MDK LCAC 1232.2 Pomornik Pacific 1989 MDK-109 MDK LCAC 1232.2 Pomornik Baltic 1990 MDK-116 MDK LCAC 1232.2 Pomornik Baltic 1991 MDK-117 MDK LCAC 1232.2 Pomornik Baltic 1992 MDK-118 MDK LCAC 1232.2 Pomornik Baltic 1993 MDK-122 (Ivan Bohun) MDK LCAC 1232.2 Pomornik Black 1990 MDK-123 MDK LCAC 1232.2 Pomornik Black 1994 ? MDK LCAC 1232.2 Pomornik Black 1987 MDK-93 MDK LCAC 1232.2 Pomornik Black 1988 MDK-94 MDK LCAC 1232.2 Pomornik Black 1989 MDK-95 MDK LCAC 1232.2 Pomornik Baltic 1986 MDK-97 MDK LCAC 1232.2 Pomornik Pacific 1987 MDK-50 MDK LCAC 1232.2 Pomornik Pacific 1991 MDK-108 MDK LCAC 1232.2 Pomornik 1992 ? MDK LCAC 1232.2 Pomornik 1993 ?? MDK LCAC 1232.2 Pomornik 1994 ??? MDK LCAC 1232.2 Pomornik 1995 ???? MDK LCAC 1232.2 Pomornik 1996 ????? MDK LCAC 1232.2 Pomornik 1995 ?????? MDK LCAC 1232.2 Pomornik 1996 Project 1232.1 Aist Dzheryan class Amphibious landing craft (hovercraft) MDK-9 MDK LCAC 1232.1 Aist Black 1971 MDK-16 MDK LCAC 1232.1 Aist Black 1972 MDK-57 MDK LCAC 1232.1 Aist Black 1974 MDK-82 MDK LCAC 1232.1 Aist Baltic 1975 MDK-89 MDK LCAC 1232.1 Aist Black 1977 MDK-102 MDK LCAC 1232.1 Aist Baltic 1978 MDK-103 MDK LCAC 1232.1 Aist Baltic 1979 MDK-117 MDK LCAC 1232.1 Aist Baltic 1980 MDK-88 MDK LCAC 1232.1 Aist Caspian 1981 MDK-162 MDK LCAC 1232.1 Aist Black 1981 MDK-184 MDK LCAC 1232.1 Aist Black 1982 MDK-18 MDK LCAC 1232.1 Aist Caspian 1983 MDK-516 MDK LCAC 1232.1 Aist Baltic 1983 MDK-518 MDK LCAC 1232.1 Aist Baltic 1984 ? MDK LCAC 1232.1 Aist 1973 ?? MDK LCAC 1232.1 Aist 1976 ??? MDK LCAC 1232.1 Aist 1985 ???? MDK LCAC 1232.1 Aist 1986 Bol'shoy Desatnyy Korabl' (BDK): Large Landing Ship Mal'yy Desantyy Korabl' (MDK): Small Landing Ship Sredniy Desantyy Korabl' (SDK): Medium Landing Ship chico20854 ************ Targan I want to suggest a couple of potential causes for T2K canon's unlikely virtual annihilation of NATO's (and specifically the USN's) surface and subsurface fleets during the hot phase of the Twilight War. Bear in mind this is a "devil's advocate" post and some of these suggestions may seem improbable. 1) For whatever reasons NATO's war planners had underestimated the size, geographic coverage and or combat effectiveness of the WarPac's various anti-ship, anti-air and anti-sub capable assets. Perhaps the Soviets had very carefully reduced the non-combat effectiveness of their hardware and personnel when not engaged in major conflict, to deceive opposing intelligence analysts. Perhaps NATO had over-estimated its own potency. Perhaps some unexpected consequence of major events during the war enhanced WarPac's potency while retarding NATO's. 2) The WarPac forces, or most likely the Soviets, had secretly developed some key weapons, vehicles or other hardware, managed to keep its existance a secret, and enjoyed unexpected operation success once the war got nasty. More on this option in a later post. 3) A significant proportion of NATO's fleet losses, certainly far larger than suspected by NATO, were inflicted by a third (ostensibly neutral) party or parties such as the French and/or the Japanese. This option may contain elemnts of option (2), in that the third party had secretly developed key weapons or vehicles in secret or demonstrated greater than expected capabilities with known systems. For instance, what if French Govt decided that if the Soviet Navy was going to be effectively destroyed, it would be best for NATO's naval strength to be greatly reduced as well. Unless you capture or destroy an attacking sub it has got to be tough to positively determine what force sank your carrier, and NATO's (understandable) assumption for most losses would be that they were inflicted by WarPac forces. __________________ "I say we take off and nuke the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure" - Corporal Dwayne Hicks, Colonial Marine Corp -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Last edited by Targan : 03-17-2006 at 08:17 AM. Targan ************ Targan Further to scenario (2) in my previous post, the biggest questions would be what sort of secret weapons systems could the WarPac have fielded during the Twilight War capable of causing such profound effects on NATO's naval assets, and how could the Soviets keep these weapon systems secret? I think one of the most realistic methods of maintaining secrecy is the method practiced by many owners of newly built castles during mediaeval times - having their architect and associated workers killed at completion to prevent them from revealing any secret passages or providing the enemy with accurate floor plans. Another strategy could be deliberately keeping the number of people involved in a weapon's development small, with projects knowingly sanctioned and resourced by higher authorities who have agreed not to seek information or disseminate knowledge of projects' existance. Given that the Soviet government demonstrated a capacity for thinking quite far ahead, some projects could have slowly advanced for decades while maintaining a low population of participants. As for the weapons themselves, things like the 200 knot torpedo are good candidates, but what about ortillery (Cyberpunk 2020's name for orbital artillery)? The actual launchers and projectiles could be suprisingly low tech and simple, with only the launcher's station keeping, targeting and communications systems requiring any real sophistication. Simple but effective ortillery munitions would look much like steel crowbars and could be cold-launched using springs or compressed gas, achieving impressive velocities during reentry and arriving on target as a superheated AP penetartor wreathed in a shroud of of metal plasma. Quite accurate geographically but usually unguided and requiring a relatively long flight time. The flight time is not so much of a problem when you are aiming at an aircraft carrier, however. The components for ortillery satellites could have been ferried out of the gravity well in small parcels accompanying any of the hundreds of manned and unmanned space launches conducted by the Soviets over the decades. A far sighted planner would start with the simple components such as projectile packs and launch components, with the complete systems being assembled only in recent years or perhaps even right at the start of the Sino-Soviet War. __________________ "I say we take off and nuke the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure" - Corporal Dwayne Hicks, Colonial Marine Corp -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Last edited by Targan : 03-17-2006 at 09:04 PM. Targan ************ BnF95 Out of curiousity, wouldn't the USSR have moved part of their Atlantic fleet over to the Pacific because of their war with the PRC? __________________ Trivia: The word F.U.C.K. comes from the abbreviation used by English Police back in the 1880's. When a person was arrested for sex with another person (who is not their wedded partner) they would be charged with For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge BnF95 ************ Matt Wiser Doubtful; the Soviet Pacific Fleet had enough of a superiority over the PLAN that reinforcement from Northern, Baltic, or Black Sea Fleets wasn't needed. The PRC still doesn't have a real blue-water navy, and as discussed in the old threads on the Sino-Soviet War, the Soviets inflict a lot of losses on the PLAN with the forces available. ROE for attacking PRC warships would have been pretty lenient, but when faced with merchantmen taking war materiel to China, they would have been limited for political reasons to only attacking PRC-flagged ships. And you'd have to get a visual on the target before attacking (ship-based helos are good for that). Of course, most war materiel being sent to the PRC goes in third-country shipping, which the Soviets are, as Webstral has indicated, reluctant to stop because they don't want a wider war. Not to mention no air or naval activity anywhere near Macao and Hong Kong-that would bring in the West. (Freedom of Navigation, protection of neutral shipping, etc.) Matt Wiser ************ chico20854 On the Soviet Pacific fleet, I envision them making greater use of their facilities in Vietnam. They had a small squadron in the 80s operating from Cahm Ran Bay and had a short regiment of Badgers operating from DaNang. For the Sino-Soviet War, they could use the DaNang base to run through missions, deeper into China than otherwise possible or with greater weapons loads (having to transit a shorter distance after munitions use). The Soviet naval superiority along with nominal compliance with the principles of free navigation would permit the USSR to run convoys down the China coast to resupply the bases in Vietnam (and allowing the Soviet bombers at DaNang to return to the USSR with a full load of munitions to drop off on the way). If a Soviet convoy happens to locate a Chinese one (or Chinese naval forces) they can engage or call in other Soviet units... free "innocent" intelligence gathering. In the weeks leading up to the expansion of the war in the West, the base in Vietnam can be built up even further to permit more extended autonomous operations. (More detail when I finish my Soviet strategy piece!) As far as the advanced weapons, I have a few ideas. The 200-knot torpedo and it's follow on are on my list of balance-changers, along with wake-homing torpedos (no real effective countermeasure for that was ever developed) and extensive mining, which NATO never really got an effective handle on. I hadn't put much thought into orbiting systems, other than as recon assets. I like the idea of FOBS (nukes in orbit to induce EMP) being in service, even though they were officially retired. Also Soviet coastal artillery had some tricks up their sleaves when it came to the Battle of the Kola Peninsula - land based SS-N-22 Sunburns (remember how effective Scud hunts were in the open desert? Try it in fjords with smaller targets under a better air defense umbrella!) There was also an element of Western misunderstanding re: Soviet naval capabilities. NATO looked at readiness meaning that crews are well trained in the operation of their vessels, developed by extensive practical exercises and long deployments or exercises at sea. The USSR saw naval readiness as meaning a ship is ready to go to sea at a few hours notice and engage in combat. Sending ships to sea in peacetime would result in greater wear and tear on the ships, requiring time in the yard when they would be unable to eneter combat rapidly. With conscripts on short enlistments and limited procurement rubles, there is not much sense in wearing out your navy's ships while still only having a marginally effective fleet. As my strategic work will explain, NATO up until the mid 1980s fundamentally misunderstood Soviet intentions at sea, essentially replacing Germany with the USSR in its "WW III as the repeat of the WW II Battle of the Atlantic" concept of operations. chico20854 ************ Matt Wiser As it turned out, in the late '80s NATO did get info on wake-homing torpedoes-some of the reference books from that time do mention the Type-65 "Long Lanceski" as a wake-homer, along with some of the standard 21" fish as wake-homing as well. The Type-65 is a big 26.5" torpedo with a range of up to 40 miles, and either a passive homing guidance, or wake-homing. Nuke or conventional warhead. A possible shore-based missile is the SS-NX-24, development of which was stopped in '91. Check strategypage.com-India bought the rights to the missile, and paid for the development costs. They call the missile the Brahmos. Iran and the PRC are said to be very interested. Try globalsecurity or astronautix.com as well-they should have additional info. It may be a second-strike nuclear system for the Indians...besides conventional warhead versions. Even with some additional Soviet weapons, I still don't buy the wholesale decimation of the USN. Even if most of the surviving ships can't go to sea due to lack of fuel, more of the Navy should still be around. Other than nuclear-powered vessels, the only ships with fuel would be those in the Persian Gulf with the 5th Fleet, and those based in the SF Bay Area. Matt Wiser ************ DeaconR Matt: why not take this idea...in my game the Soviets actually are defeated on the naval front. However the lack of infrastructure and steady fuel shipments mean that the NATO fleets are not running to full capacity. You don't even have to explain what this means to your players, you can simply make the information largely unavailable. However if you need to have a ship pick them up on some godforsaken coastline or assist in some operation if, as I do, you have them working with government forces as opposed to cast totally adrift, then you got it. I've never suggested that the NATO fleets were decimated. Rather I have on occasion the chimera of the Soviet and Pact fleets, which mostly results in a stray that has gone pirate or something. And I think that the game writers were mostly just trying to make aircraft and naval power unavailable. But you don't need that extreme an idea to make that notion work. In any actual war or conflict there can be things that aren't available to people in the field. Also you might have outside the Gulf or the Bay fleets at anchor or whatever which had just a couple of ships on active duty and perhaps others ready to be refurbished should the need arise. It's fairly easy for me: I'm running my game on the Atlantic Coast/New England of course and so the focus is on the captured sub and Bigelow with the smaller ships doing most of the main duties. Is your game the one set on the NW Pacific or what? DeaconR ************ Matt Wiser I posted some stuff a while back about the Navy: some surviving carriers and their escorts, some amphibs, and the surviving boomers and SSNs. Also what happened to the battleships and the two Des Moines class heavy cruisers. Air and naval support should not be unavailable, but rare. You'd better have a very good reason to put those assets into play. Even with Persian Gulf and California oil still pumping and limited refining, Jet fuel doesn't grow on trees, and you'd better have a good reason for calling for air support or extraction. Ditto for naval support. One of the posts I did had U.S.S. Constellation (CV-64) and her battle group anchored at Guam: they have fuel, but only enough to get home, but CINC-PACCOM wants the carrier to be ready to cover any pullout from Korea. There's also one of the Amphibs with a provisional MEU as well-they were headed for Korea when the ICBMs flew, and they made port in Guam. Another amphib operates out of Hilo, Hawaii, with a Forrest Sherman DD as escort-they have fuel for limited ops, but the U.S.S. Wisconsin (BB-64) is in port in Hilo, with a torpedo hole in her bow, limited fuel, and no drydock. But the two other ships "show the flag" in Hawaiian waters, and the Marines aboard U.S.S Essex (LHD-2) support the 29th Infantry Brigade (HI NG). Matt Wiser ************ DeaconR What you're suggesting makes sense, Matt. Looking at that guy Nathan Decker's site I was trying to come up with what modern ships would be available to be in and around South Carolina/Georgia/Florida. Still working on that but I'm away at a wedding for the weekend and of course didn't bring Jane's with me. If anyone has any offhand ideas about that I'd be appreciative, though I had already come up with wanting Barnstable County and Audacity among the vessels available. Targan: I will address the space question in another thread. DeaconR ************ Matt Wiser One can also make the argument that the surviving naval assets on both the East and West coasts are now national-level assets. Which means the CNO in Colorado Springs (or Denver) makes the call as to where and when to send surviving surface ships and subs to sea, and for what mission(s). The ships left in Europe, the Far East, and in the Gulf are still under the appropriate theather naval commander. For the boomers, things haven't changed very much: they still go to sea and await orders. One SSN that still has an exciting life is U.S.S. Parche (SSN-687). She is based out of the Trident Sub Base in Bangor, WA, and she has a SEAL platoon assigned; her missions are still highly classified. When she returns from a cruise, she first arrives in the covered drydock at the base, where it is rumored that items recovered on her operations are offloaded. Only after a period in the covered dock does she moor at a pier. Matt Wiser ************ BnF95 How many carriers did the various nations have during 1991-1994 era? __________________ Trivia: The word F.U.C.K. comes from the abbreviation used by English Police back in the 1880's. When a person was arrested for sex with another person (who is not their wedded partner) they would be charged with For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge BnF95 ************ Targan Quote:
__________________ "I say we take off and nuke the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure" - Corporal Dwayne Hicks, Colonial Marine Corp Targan ************ BnF95 I did, but if I remember correctly, which I doubt, the French, Indians, and Australians also have carriers yes? __________________ Trivia: The word F.U.C.K. comes from the abbreviation used by English Police back in the 1880's. When a person was arrested for sex with another person (who is not their wedded partner) they would be charged with For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge BnF95 ************ Targan Australia once had an aircraft carrier, the HMAS Melbourne, but the government decided that although the nation's primary multi-role jet fighters are carrier-capable FA/18s, and Australia has the largest coastline of any nation in the world, we didn't need an aircraft carrier and sold it for scrap. Well, the government thought they had sold it for scrap. Now apparently the Chinese military have the Melbourne and are using it to train carrier pilots. You will have to excuse me for a moment, every time I think about that situation I suffer an overwhelming urge to bang my head against a hard surface until the pain goes away. Ah heck, that's no where near as concerning as the Australian government's tacit approval for future sales of Australian uranium to China. Who knows, perhaps one day the Chinese will refine it and send it back, in MIRVs, from sub-orbit. France has a carrier or two and some helicopter carriers. India has a carrier and is organising more. But all of the carriers in the world combined come nowhere close to matching the overall tonnage of the US carrier fleet. Now that's gunboat diplomacy! __________________ "I say we take off and nuke the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure" - Corporal Dwayne Hicks, Colonial Marine Corp Targan ************ thefusilier Quote:
So does Argentina, Spain, Italy, Britain (3), and Thailand. Brazil too I think... check the other naval posts. __________________ The Fusilier -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Last edited by thefusilier : 03-23-2006 at 05:27 AM. thefusilier ************ ChalkLine Quote:
Actually, the Melbourne was scrapped but the Chinese went over it with a fine-tooth comb to learn engineering data from first. Of course, she was an old Invincible class ship so there wasn't much they really could learn that you couldn't learn from any other 60's era ship, but it was done with the collusion of our government in defiance of the post-Tienammin weapon sales bans (every Western nation defied those, even those governments that proposed them.) __________________ ChalkLine ************ Targan Quote:
__________________ "I say we take off and nuke the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure" - Corporal Dwayne Hicks, Colonial Marine Corp Targan ************ chico20854 In my naval oobs, I have the following carriers: USA: 18 CVs and CVNs, 4 Essex-class (1 was training, 3 brought from reserve), 7 LPHs, 5 LHAs, 8 LHDs UK: 3 Invincible class, plus Engadine, Argus and Ocean. France: Charles DeGaulle, Foch and Clemenceau (IRL 1 of the older ones was retired, but not during a war!) USSR: 2 Moscow-class, 4 Kiev-class, 2 Tblisi-class and Ulyanovsk. Italy: Garibaldi and Mazzini (planned in the early 90s, continually delayed IRL) Spain: 1 modern carrier, possibly old WWII escort carrier (Dedalo, seperate thread on this one...) Thailand: 1 India: 2 (IRL one was decommissioned Jan 97) Brazil: 1 Argentina: 1 NATO forces also convert a number of large container ships to escort carriers (using the Arapaho project materials/techniques) flying ASW and AEW helos and Harriers. A related issue with the larger number of carriers (from speeding up production and retaining older ships) is the availability of aircraft and crew. The French, for example, in the 1980s operated fixed-wing aircraft off of only 1 carrier to save money, using the second only for helos. Add in a third carrier and you have more space for aircraft than you have aircraft and aircrews to fly. With everyone trying to get more harriers (for the smaller ships) there's going to be a crunch and some smaller navies will be left out. Finally, if you aren't going to have a draft (nad even if you do!) you're going to have a tough time finding enough crewmen for all those ships. (And a draft only helps a little... you need experienced officers and NCOs, especially mid-grades, who aren't available in general as retirees and can't be magically created from drafted civilians). And Targan, you wouldn't believe the mess and minor scandals that have accompanied the disposal of old carriers in the US. We sank USS America in a secret munitions exercise and pissed off the former crewmen, Coral Sea was scrapped with the usual environmental mess (and featured some unaccounted for 500-lb bombs squirreled away!) and the Oriskany, to be sunk as an artificial reef, has been tied up in the courts for years! -Chico chico20854 ************ thefusilier Chico what are the Engadine, Argus and Ocean? Ocean being the latest Commando Carrier they have now? __________________ The Fusilier thefusilier ************ chico20854 Engadine was a RN helicopter training ship. It was used as a transit deck during the Falklands... Harriers deploying from the UK to Ascension could land for a refuel. It had a deck that could land 4 helos. IRL decommissioned in 89, scrapped in 96. Argus was a container ship that was converted to an aircraft transport for the Falklands. After the war the RN kept her and used her to to train helo pilots (allowing Engadine to be retired), as an assault ship and as a hospital ship. 5 helos up to Chinook size, can land Harriers, probably can transport more than 5 helos. HMS Ocean is the RN's newest LPH. IRL it's delivery was delayed due to politics, not enough money, etc, commissioning in 98. For T2k it was in commissioned in 95. 18 helos (12 Sea Kings, 6 Lynx). All these ships have the ability to fly harriers but not really to support them - maintenance, munitions, liquid oxygen, command & control, etc. But they are easier to adapt than a civilian container ship. And as I dig deeper I see that the air threat to the convoy lanes in most of the world is pretty light, so a few harriers will be more than enough (and where it's heavy whether you have a few or a lot of harriers it still doesn't matter you're going to get hit)! chico20854 ************ thefusilier Thanks. __________________ The Fusilier thefusilier ************ ChalkLine Quote:
Oh yeah, I'm just being my usual nit-picking self, I don't want anyone putting the Melbourne into Chinese OOBs. The flagrant multinational defiance of those weapons bans makes me sick, it just goes to show that where money is concerned, legality goes out the window (anyone heard of the Australian Wheat Board?) __________________ ChalkLine ************ Targan Quote:
Oh yeah, AWB, Australians Willingly Bribe. I play a fair bit of Battlefield 2 on-line, and when I'm in a battle where I'm playing on the Middle East side I often call my squad "AWB's Guns". Last edited by kato13; 03-15-2010 at 03:48 PM.
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03-15-2010, 01:59 PM
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*bump*
(it's the entirety of the Soviet and several other navies, after all...)
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03-16-2010, 08:48 PM
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I've been reading through a book lately on the worlds naval vessels from aircraft carriers right down to small patrol craft. Written as at June 1984 and extremely detailed in weapons, electronics, range, and a dozen other statistics.
What I've found very interesting is the age of most vessels. Many smaller countries, and a large number of the larger ones were still operating ships built and commissioned in 1943-1945, many of which were transfered from the US and UK navies in the 60's and 70's. What I find even MORE interesting is that roughly 60-70% of the US naval strength was of 1940's and 50's vintage with upgrades consisting of little more than the addition of a newer radar and fire control systems and often replacement of a gun turret with a missile system of some type. It's also interesting to note that on average, missile frigates, destroyers and even the larger cruisers usually only carry about eight (8) missiles for each launcher. Therefore, resupply ships are absolutely VITAL to ongoing operations. At the same time, it appears the Soviets were going through a massive expansion and replacement program of their naval assets (while also retaining many of the older vessels). So, on paper the US navy (and others) might appear to have been very strong, but in reality they were on the whole operating with seriously obsolete equipment. It's a bit like a modern army of today being equiped with M47 and M48 tanks, M3 Halftracks and bolt action rifles - they'll still kill you, but put up against say T-72's, BMPs, and AK-74s and you've got a real problem.
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03-16-2010, 09:02 PM
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Their second biggest lever was that same Soviet build-up. Edit: by "lever," I mean argument to get funding for new ships, of course.
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03-16-2010, 09:34 PM
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Those two classes are actually mentioned (and included in my general percentage impressions) although there was no indication at the time many of the older classes (except perhaps about half the 1940's models) were to be decommissioned.
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03-16-2010, 10:03 PM
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This is true, but metal hulls in salt water don't tend to stand up well to 40+ years sitting in the ocean. Not to mention the machinery that propells them develops "issues" the older it gets.
Would you drive a 1940's rust bucket into a warzone and feel good about it even if the stereo had been replaced and the seats reupholstered? :S
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Below is the Type (Number) and average date of commission Carriers (20) MAR 69 BB (4) SEP 43 CG (45) OCT 79 CGN (9) SEP 72 DDG (62) AUG 76 DD (31) SEP 78 FF (59) JUN 70 FFG (57) AUG 81 Amphibs (40) JAN 79 SSN (123) JAN 78 SS (4) JAN 61 SSBN (51) MAY 73 edit realized i needed to add 6 months to the averages due to my method of calculation. Last edited by kato13; 03-16-2010 at 11:23 PM.
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Some metal hulls do fine in the ocean for 40+ years. Materials, maintenance, and the like play and enormous role in how well a hull survives. To suggest that the US Navy would go to the expense of refitting the weapons and electronics on a rust bucket is really rather silly. It's fine to have a realistic look at the potential drawbacks and liabilities of the US Navy--or any navy, for that matter. Your point about an Australian sub penetrating the security screen of a carrier battle group is a good, realistic example of how a motivated and capable leader and crew can make the most of their equipment and carry out successful attacks. It's another matter entirely to imply that the USN is so inept that new weapons (costing millions) are going to be installed in hulls that should be scrapped--which is the only reasonable interpretation of the term "rust bucket". I'll trust the judgment of professional naval architects to determine which hulls are suitable to be maintained and refitted. Webstral
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The largest issues I remember reading about other refits were functional issues like HMMWVs not fitting where Jeeps were expected on certain Amphbs. Power plants and screws were replaced without major issues from what I can recall. The Soviets on the other hand had a pretty well deserved (IMO) reputation for slacking off on maintenance. Quote:
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Greetings
An unprotected metal hull would be rendered unseaworthy in about 5 years. That would mean that critical parts of the hull would be sufficiently weakened or embrittled enough to threaten to break in strong weather. It is for this reason that ships are regularly maintained, as I will discuss further a bit later in this post. Of course, there are other ways corrosion can cause problems as well, such as in the decomposition of seals (responsible for the loss of one ex-soviet vessel sold to India), and portals jamming shut due to expansion or freezing. If soldiers lives depended on keeping thier equipment functioning, however, I am sure you would see a marked improvement in the maintainance work done by soviet sailors, so there would be less of a difference there than you might think. If looking to work out the life span of a metal ship by looking at corrosion of the hull alone, you would have to figure in the following factors: -Availability of Zinc electrodes. Usually refitted every couple of years, without these sacrificial anodes around the hull, corrosion will be much faster. -Surface protection, ie paint (but not always. Aluminium forms it's own protective but brittle coating, Aluminium Oxide, which protects the metal underneath). This needs replacing quite often, depending on many conditions. For most warships, the crew do this on down time about once per year, depending on how much action they see. Repairs make this needed more often, as do temperature extremes (artic or pacific heat can remove paint pretty well). Pesticides and copper in pait on the underside can reduce the damage barnicles will cause to the paint, but such paints will be harder to obtain. -Temperature of the water. Warm water will be more corrosive than cold water, and there will also be more fouling. On the other hand, ice will be much more abrasive. Most of these rely on regularly taking the boat out of the water every couple of years. Never a problem in peace time, but if all the major drydocks are out of commission, and they would be major naval targets, then the lifespan of the ships will drop remarkably. It should be noted that most smaller vessels (ie with thinner hulls, etc) from World War II were decomissioned before the 1980's, despite regular maintainance. If vessels were not used (not really applicable in this scenario) they might last for 20 years without proper maintainance (ie a drydock), but in action, the hulls are unlikely to last more that 10-15 years (most protections will be reduced in 5 years), and many smaller vessels (50-500t) will most likely not last that long. Fast attack craft, of which the Soviets have heaps, can be pulled out of the water by trucks, and thereby maintained. Indeed, you may even find some still hidden on thier trucks... By the way, the Australian Wheat board has been taking tips from thier US counterparts who demand fair trading in Australia while putting up hugh protection for US farmers in the US. Ironic we get better trading terms for our wheat from China than the US, despite fighting beside US forces in most wars since the second world war...guess money does show who your friends are!
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03-17-2010, 10:59 PM
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Welcome aboard Bluedwarf.
Good points about the hull needing pretty much constant attention. I had completely forgotten about anodes being necessary for even civilian craft. edit since I looked it up Australian Wheat Board Last edited by kato13; 03-18-2010 at 12:08 AM.
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03-18-2010, 01:28 AM
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Thanks for the welcome. The link with the AWB is a good one, but I notice somewhat dated. However, having worked for over half a decade in Bishkek, where the US Army base in Kyrgyzstan is located, we have also observed millions of US dollars being paid in a government sanctioned manner that is known to head to individual bank accounts for the privilidge of using that base. Of course you are not responsible for how corrupt countries spend thier money, but bribes are a known way of doing business in such nations, and indeed possibly the only way. Only usually, the US government forces them to call it by a different name and 'legitimize' it for the home folk! I do not see it as morally any different, but rather someone was a bit lax in some paperwork. We hear about the US also being involved in the same scheme of aid for oil or food for oil. Again, we were right there with you! Regarding the maintainance of ships, we have not even started on the mechanical side of things, where the lower tech russian vessels could well be in a much stronger position...
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I liked your idea of perhaps finding craft still on their trailers somewhere.
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03-18-2010, 11:55 PM
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Another thought
Greetings
On the note of lower tech, I have noticed that many russian feild engineers with small backyard workshops are pretty capable of making 'makeshift' modification. Having beenin the ex-USSR, I have seen that every major centre had it's own bomb shelter, and this was particularly true of industrial areas, so it is quite likely that a small portion, enought to make machinery to convert small craft to steam, would have survived someplace. In particular, taking some of these small craft and converting them to steam, to run off wood (available in great supply in Russia) would seem to be a very logical step in the event fuel oil was not available. No where near as efficient, so range and speed would be reduced, but it is likely they could still get 20-25kts for a few hundred km. I am sure most small vessels still in use would have had such conversions throughout the world within the first decade of liquid fuel not being available. This would make wood, and hence forests, a much higher value target, both for heating and transport, but I have not seen any of that in the Twilight modules. Did I miss that? Regardless, the USSR has always been seen as being strongest as a coastal navy, and thier ideology and srtucture are somewhat different from the West. In most wars, they have opted for larger numbers of lower tech items that are more easily maintained in the feild, and this is also true of thier navy. Forays into larger naval conflicts out of range of land-based aircraft and support have rarely gone well for them, so in reality they would be hesitant in sending more than boomers and ICBN's much further than their coast. This could explain the decimation of NATO navies...attacking the Soviets at home has always been a dangerous affair, and the Navies would have taken the brunt of any amphibious assault. On another note, Stalin had many very ambitious ideas, one of them to join the Black sea and the Caspian sea with a naval channel. Another was to create a naval channel by joining existing waterways from St Petersburg northeast to Voznesene, then through, Povenets and Nadvoltsy to make another seige of Stalingrad much more difficult, and to ensure that the navy to the north could reinforce the baltic quickly if needed. I am not sure if that channel was ever completed, but if it was many ships could well escape the baltic blockade if they were needed elsewhere.
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01-29-2011, 04:48 PM
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I'm trying to find out the carrying capacity (troops and/or LAV) of the East German Frosch I amphibious landing ship but I'm not having much luck. I'm hoping your Google-Fu is stronger than mine. Any info you can give me would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
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Capacity: up to 800 tons including 12 tanks or 16 lighter AFVs; the troop accommodation is normally 60, though 260 can be carried for short periods. link
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Exactly what I was looking for. Thanks, SSC.
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