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03-31-2011, 05:22 PM
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Check out the new shotgun!!
Was flipping through the latest Tactical Weapons and saw this new offering from Kel-Tec intended for LEO use.
It is a bullpup, pump action 12 gauge shotgun with a capacity of 14 rounds. No box mags, no rotary mags, just two 7-round magazines mounted side by side. And since it is a slide-action repeater...its civilian legal just about anywhere that doesn't ban magazines with more than 10 rounds or high-capacity autoloaders....which means anywhere outside the People's Republic of California!!!! Its called the KSG: Length: 26.1 inches Width: 2.3 inches Height: 6.9 inches at the pistol grip Weight Empty: 6.9 pounds Weight Loaded: 8.5 pounds Caliber: 12 gauge Chambering: 3-inch Magnum Barrel Length: 18.5 inches Feed Device: independent, parallel horizontal tube magazines Magazine Selection: to rear of pistol grip Capacity: 7 rounds each in two mags (7+7), 1 in the chamber Sights: Anything M1913 rail compatible Action: Slide-action repeater Safety Selection: Cross-bolt Not in production yet....but the reviews so far are impressive!
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03-31-2011, 05:33 PM
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That thing is pretty bad-ass. I'd like a range day with one. And since the CA hi-cap ban doesn't apply to tubular magazines, I might actually get the chance.
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03-31-2011, 06:02 PM
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Not to toot my own horn, but I put it on my site on the last update.
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03-31-2011, 06:26 PM
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Hmmm, today is the 1st of April isn't it?
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03-31-2011, 06:39 PM
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I'd be a lot less skeptical about it if it weren't a Kel-Tec product. I don't have a good feeling about their QC, based on P32/P3AT horror stories. - C.
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03-31-2011, 06:43 PM
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03-31-2011, 06:51 PM
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Yeah, exactly, it's based on the earlier Neostad, which was never available in the US if I'm not mistaken.
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03-31-2011, 07:32 PM
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I'd been just about to post that it sounded like the Neostad....
While we're on the subject of Kel Tec, I recently saw an advert for the PMR 30 - looks decent bit of kit, although I think there have been all kinds of issues with shipping delays for it. From what I've read its an update of an old Grendel design. Is the .22 magnum round enough to turn it into a reasonable weapon, or is it still best suited for plinking? http://www.keltecweapons.com/our-guns/pistols/pmr-30/ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CTizq4NCto They also built an SMG variant, solely to test the magazines apparently - looks like a lot of fun! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6GxF...eature=related
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03-31-2011, 08:41 PM
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- C.
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03-31-2011, 09:24 PM
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I have the PMR-30 on my site, but hadn't head of the machine pistol variant (I believe it would fall into the category of machine pistol). The main virtue seems to be magazine capacity, but I don't think the T2K rules adequately illustrate the damage difference between a .22 Long Rifle round, a .22 WMR round, and heavier rounds like .32 ACP, .380 ACP, and 9mm Parabellum. (Or for that matter, between .32 ACP, .380 ACP, and 9mm Parabellum themselves.)
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03-31-2011, 09:25 PM
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03-31-2011, 09:30 PM
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03-31-2011, 10:01 PM
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03-31-2011, 10:34 PM
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but really i'm looking forward to this. only problem i see is the conveiniance store cops might decide it has no legitimate sporting purpose and label it a destructive device.(at which point i fork over the tax and file the paperwork and get one anyway.)
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04-06-2011, 11:55 AM
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04-06-2011, 11:59 AM
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04-06-2011, 05:51 PM
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Sting, yes. Take down reliably, no, not much chance of that.
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