Difference in the type of military bases...

[Abbott Shaull]

Okay one of the question I have been thinking about. In the t2k world how would the Cantonments be set up for a Division unit. I know Free City of Krakow has a great example for City defense lay out.

I just wondering if the Division would have one Main Base that would serve as a central depot with main TOC there with Division DISCOM and Aviation Brigade located there or in nearby bases. While they were surrounded by small Brigade HQ Forward Operating Bases with the Brigade Forward Support units operating out of. Then there would Battalion and Company size Forward Operating Bases/FireBases and then beyond those various road blocks and platoon patrol bases.

Just wondering if this is along the lines or would it be something else?

[raketenjagdpanzer]

Originally Posted by Abbott Shaull

Okay one of the question I have been thinking about. In the t2k world how would the Cantonments be set up for a Division unit. I know Free City of Krakow has a great example for City defense lay out.

I just wondering if the Division would have one Main Base that would serve as a central depot with main TOC there with Division DISCOM and Aviation Brigade located there or in nearby bases. While they were surrounded by small Brigade HQ Forward Operating Bases with the Brigade Forward Support units operating out of. Then there would Battalion and Company size Forward Operating Bases/FireBases and then beyond those various road blocks and platoon patrol bases.

Just wondering if this is along the lines or would it be something else?

As far as that goes, if you look at a satellite view of say western Poland or eastern Germany (hey, sidetrack: Germany is essentially united in T2k, correct? The Pact was entirely driven out, right?) there's an insane number of villages here and there - you practically cannot drive down a medium sized highway without passing through a village every kilometer on highway 25 coming out of Kalisz.

Taking that into consideration, I would guess that a cantonment would find a place like that that was either unoccupied or occupied by NATO-friendly civilians and set up shop there, then place OPs, mortar firebases and company-level FOBs in outlying farmhouses, barns, etc. nearby.

[95th Rifleman]

Looking at it from British perspective, here's my ideas.

You'd have a central division base, concentrating the HQ and artillery elements (probably with whatever air defence assets are left). around this centre would be battlegroups (the British like to form task specific battlegroups out of their brigades). You get around 3 battlegroups per brigade and between 2 and 3 brigades per division on average (by the 2000 probably only one or two battle groups would be left per brigade).

Again the Battlegroup would centre it's HQ and any artillery elements it has while combined-arms company groups would be spread out to cover more ground. In the case of encountering enemy (bear in mind these company grops would mstlikely be actively patrolling) they could in theory fall back quickly to reform a battlegroup and engage at a time and place of their choosing.

No doubt the battlegroup would of pre-selected areas to regroup and fight from. The British are, historicly, very good at defensive warfare.

[Adm.Lee]

You could probably go all the way down to a company forming a town or village's garrison, as it would be sort of merged with the town militia. Note this would be a T2k-strength company, say 50-60 soldiers and half again as many camp followers/support personnel. The regulars would be doing most of the out-of-town patrolling, and leaving in-town law enforcement to the police/militia.

Some centrally-located towns would have HQ and artillery elements, all the way up to brigade and division level.

[Fusilier]

Originally Posted by Adm.Lee

Some centrally-located towns would have HQ and artillery elements, all the way up to brigade and division level.

Or on the outskirts or away from towns. Sometimes holding towns are just too manpower dependent. I can see some units, big or small, keeping to rural underpopulated areas.

[bobcat]

i can easily see smaller units linking up with friendly local militias and staging in a small town. town and militia being a reliable cover and force multipliers should the reds come near, and the unit providing assistance in training and even medical and maintenance tasks(i.e. vehicle and weapon repair).

its a common enough practice in guerrilla warfare thats proven to work.

[Abbott Shaull]

Originally Posted by bobcat

i can easily see smaller units linking up with friendly local militias and staging in a small town. town and militia being a reliable cover and force multipliers should the reds come near, and the unit providing assistance in training and even medical and maintenance tasks(i.e. vehicle and weapon repair).

its a common enough practice in guerrilla warfare thats proven to work.

Yeah, that would be one of the things in t2k, I think we tend forget about.

Especially for NATO side why troops were so unwilling to move. In many cases they have Companies and Platoon so well established mixed into local population Militia that if they tried to move, many of the communities would be left defenseless for all practical purposes. In the Raiding and counter-raiding era of the fighting. Many Commanders would have this as consideration when they were order to move their new locations too.

In many cases by the Spring 2000 the troops and the locals have become a common community. Regardless the side you are on.

Yeah anything larger say a Platoon would have lot of 'dependents and camp followers' who they would feel responsible for.

[Abbott Shaull]

Originally Posted by bobcat

i can easily see smaller units linking up with friendly local militias and staging in a small town. town and militia being a reliable cover and force multipliers should the reds come near, and the unit providing assistance in training and even medical and maintenance tasks(i.e. vehicle and weapon repair).

its a common enough practice in guerrilla warfare thats proven to work.

This was covered in so many variation in the t2k modules. It wasn't only the NATO, but certain Pact units had done the same thing to protect from NATO troops.

Also Marauders had done similar things as they passed themselves as legit troops. Most case the local militia was to weak to do anything about it once it was found out. In other case the marauders and the local struck up the similar deal that other communities had with regular forces on either side out of mutual protection. The locals leadership and militia didn't like it most of the time, but they realize with the marauders their, they did have more protection than previously.

[Adm.Lee]

Originally Posted by bobcat

i can easily see smaller units linking up with friendly local militias and staging in a small town. town and militia being a reliable cover and force multipliers should the reds come near, and the unit providing assistance in training and even medical and maintenance tasks(i.e. vehicle and weapon repair).

Not to mention, that's where the food is. IMO, the 2000 world is a re-appearance of elements of the feudal system: "You villagers grow food, and we, the guys in the [chain mail/Kevlar] and carrying [swords/M16s] will protect you from bad guys."

[Abbott Shaull]

Originally Posted by Adm.Lee

Not to mention, that's where the food is. IMO, the 2000 world is a re-appearance of elements of the feudal system: "You villagers grow food, and we, the guys in the [chain mail/Kevlar] and carrying [swords/M16s] will protect you from bad guys."

I think in many areas it will be mutual co-operation thing. Such as the US and UK units based in Germany and elsewhere.

The only reason one could call it feudal by any means is the fact that the local military commander would be the last legal representative of a National Government in the case when troops were in their home country. Say like German units in Germany, Polish units in Poland, and such.

In a lot areas especially those control by the Soviets it would be situation normal, we occupy this area, and you will provide food or else.

In any case, if the troop aren't from the Nation, they will be looked upon as a occupying force regardless if they are allies or not.

In many some cases the units commander/marauder leaders take feudal thing a bit since they see it as a way for themselves to hopefully project more power than they really have, and to help influence what ever type of National government that tries to rebuild later.