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Suppress urge to slag the furniture polish that the Scots think is whiskey....
In fairness as single malts go, its hard to beat an Islay malt, or Glenfarclas 105 if you prefer a lighter flavour, but for an every day drinking whiskey, I was always a Jameson or Bush man.
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LOL
Nothing beats Jack Daniels old number 7!
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Except just about anything made in Scotland, or better yet, Ireland.
*says the guy with Black Bush and Clynelish in his cupboard*
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To bring the thread back onto topic and meld the current subject of discussion, I think that honest-to-God backwoods homemade "shine" will outstrip any competitors as a beverage, a paint-stripper, or a lethal weapon!
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SA80A2 and Stirling Armaments The Gulf War of 1991 showed the deficiencies of the SA80 in sandy and dusty conditions. The SAS sergeant turned author Andy McNab commented that “in the SA80 the British Army bought a Rolls-Royce, albeit a prototype Rolls Royce.” The name itself also highlights the fact that SA80 stood for Small Arm for the 1980s, even though problems with the weapon resulted in the issue only late in the decade. The initial SA80 (known as the L85) was quickly superseded by the L85A1 which added a guard rail around the magazine release catch to stop the accidental release of the magazine (a problem increased by the use of the excellent sling which allowed the weapon to be slung across the chest). In late 1992 after the results of the study instituted at the end of the war were published, it was decided to create an upgrade programme for the weapon. The preferred choice Heckler and Koch were unavailable as they were now ramping up production of the G11 and G41 for the German Army. In a job creation scheme, the British Government bought up the now defunct Stirling Armaments company and gave them the contract (this caused much resentment through the arms industry that the programme had not been open to competitive tender – Royal Ordnance in particular were very upset and took the case to court – this had not been resolved by the outbreak of war when Royal Ordnance were given a contract to produce further L85A2s). Stirling made a number of changes to the basic design, these included a new stronger firing pin, heavier recoil springs, a heavier magazine with redesigned lips (although still STANAG compatible), a better gas plug (that eliminated the chance of getting it seriously stuck in the weapon if it was removed at the wrong angle), a new cocking handle with a unique comma shape and a strengthened safety catch bar. The same upgrades were also made to the L86A1 (LSW) creating the L86A2. The cadet forces rifle, the L98A1 was also rebuilt with the same changes, converting it from a manually cocked weapon to a semi-automatic only weapon, the L98A2. The L98A2 was (other than the lack of a change lever) an L85A2 in all but name. Conversions of all from A1 to A2 standard had only just started as war broke out although gradually the A1 type was supplemented and sowly overtaken by new production A2s. In December 1996 with fighting in Europe reaching epic proportions, more rifles were needed, the L1A1 SLR and L2A3 Stirling were pulled from storage as were the 10,000 M16s bought in the early 1960s (the British Army had actually adopted the M16 before the US Army!). This still did not meet demand. It was originally suggested that Stirling Armaments would produce L85A2s and L86A2s. This would however have taken time to set up the tools as only the upgraded items were ready to be produced. As an interim measure the director of Stirling suggested that the production lines for the L2A3 and upgraded AR18 (the SAR87) that had been manufactured commercially until the company went bankrupt were reopened. The Ministry of Defence agreed immediately. The SAR87 was renamed the L18 rifle and put into full scale production. A modified AR18S was also put into low volume production with the same changes as the Carbine L19. These were basically AR18Ss that had been modified to take the STANAG magazine. It was also possible to swap the barrel, bolt and magazine and add a magazine housing adapter, to produce a 9mm submachine gun version of either (this was slightly modified from the original kit to take L2A3 magazines. These were known as the L18A1 and L19A1 respectively when fitted with the L172 conversion kit. Few of these were taken into service and most that were, were issued to Ministry of Defence Police. Numbers are however impossible to determine as the weapons could be converted into each other. Records of how many kits were bought were lost when the factory was destroyed. Many of the issued rifles went to home defence units (in some cases replacing the .303 No4 rifles that some had been issued during the rifle shortages) although there are instances of units being fully equipped with L18s (generally these were issued the L4A4 Bren as an LMG instead of L86s). |
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At last, someone with real taste.
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Thanks not 100% happy with it - for one thing I can't find a pic of a British soldier with an Ar18 to put with it.
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The beginning of the end of the Maori Wars came with the signing of the Treaty of Waitangi under which the Maori were recognised as equal subjects of the British Empire and had all the requisite rights under the law. Then New Zealand became the first modern democracy to grant all adult citizens, male and female, the vote when it became an independent nation. From even before independence Maori men were welcomed into the British Army and associated colonial forces. It's a very similar situation to the Nepalis - they excel at warfare, proved exceedingly difficult and costly to fully vanquish, they volunteer to wage war for you so you arm them, transport them to the vicinity of the enemy, point them in the right direction and give them heaps of room. The 19th century Maori probably thought it was an excellent deal, being provided with firearms and ammunition to go kill people AND get paid to engage in their favourite hobby!
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The problem being that as far as anyone at the time could see, the Maori, the Zulu, the Afghanis, the Nepalese etc. etc. etc. all appeared to have an organized and relatively sophisticated culture whereas the Australian aborigines were still living a hunter/gather lifestyle that was essentially proto-neolithic.
As far as could be seen, they had no larger organization above the clan group and certainly paid little interest to other aboriginal groups except for potential wives or as competitors for resources. They produced nothing extra to the basics of daily subsistence. The aborigines were incredibly primitive compared to every other group the British had come in contact with and this lead to the state of affairs known as Terra Nullius for Australia. The fact that the aborigines had had no significant change in their culture or lifestyle for over 40,000 years meant they were ill-equipped to understand the concepts of warfare that the Maoris, the Zulu, the Nepalese and so on, so readily accepted. If the aborigines had been able to organize fighting units in a similar line with what the Maoris had, they probably would have been given similar status to the Maori. As it was, with the disdain Europeans had for the less cultured peoples of the world, the aborigines were seen as the most primitive of them all. |
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White Kiwis actually tend to be big solid farm boys decended from wild Celts like Scottish Highlanders. Besides, Anzac's are Anzac's. No need to go splitting hairs. They're all green in the army anyway and work happily side by side.
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Before this thread turned into a discussion on whiskey and if Aussies are Brits this was a very interesting discussion.
While it did get bogged down a lot in France there are other places that weapons could be obtained in the world post Twilight War that also merit discussion. In the V1 timeline Japan is virtually untouched as are the Swedes. While the Japanese dont fare as well in V2 the Swedes stilll come out pretty good. Both countries have indigenous weapon production factories that could be excellent sources of weapons post war. I could see the Swedes selling especially to the Germans, Danes, Norwegians and the Dutch and eventually the new Baltic nations and the Poles, whereas the Japanese could find customers in South Korea and China. Another source for weapons could be Taiwan which was almost not even mentioned in the timeline. Again while most of their weapons were mods of existing vehicles you could see them being used to keep older systems going and providing a source of things like light tanks and APC's based on older American designs. Finally another major source of weapons could be South Africa, which by virtue of the embargo on them by most of the world because of apartheid, developed their own tanks, APC's, planes, etc.. |
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Brazil. Obviously they've ramped things up IRL since the time T2K is set in, but I'm sure WWIII would have given them the impetus they needed to become a major arms supplier during and after the Twilight War.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Categor...nies_of_Brazil
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My vote would be with small arms shops set up in garages and free cities, and places like the arms in Pakistan are made. They can build you a crude copy of almost any small arms you care to mention, and the ammunition for it. It may not be 100% reliable, but a lot of places you find may be able to at least repair your weapons -- and may have stored things like rocket launchers or missiles, just for a contingency like necessity, or haggling in a big deal.
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Brazil has quite an "overstock" of M3/M5 Stuart light tanks, I could see them shipping some overseas (at least in a v1 timeline) and the US RDF building a brigade out of them - the Brazilian variants are called X1 and X1A2 (the -a1 variant wasn't built). They mount a 90mm DEFA gun, have upgraded sights and other modern conveniences.
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... It mounts the same main gun as the Panhard AML-90, operated by Bahrain, Egypt, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Lebanon, and essentially all of North Africa, so ammunition for the DEFA D921 90mm shouldn't be an issue. The gun fires HE and HEAT rounds. I could see the US buying maybe a dozen or two if the Brazilians offered them for the RDF or hell even European forces (possibly CivGov if the Brazilians would deal, for use in Romania). Anyway that's my $.02.
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Also, while AvGas is at a serious premium, for light/liason work in the air I could see most western militaries pressing "traffic choppers" and civilian light a/c into service for the role; the OH58D is merely a militarized Bell Jetranger, and the AH-3/MH-3 is but a Hughes 500MD similarly outfitted.
As we've discussed with the possibility of the Littlefield Collection winding up as THE armored division west of the Rockies, likewise I'm sure large portions of the CAF would be too tempting for the government to pass up on. Like pressing Shermans into front line service, any aircraft is better than no aircraft, so the notion of having a P47 plus a couple of P51s - and a huge number of prop-driven bombers - is a great advantage. Plus, the CAF also operates five jet aircraft (a MiG-17, two MiG-15s, a MiG-21, a Lockheed T-33 and I was amazed to discover they operate an F4 Phantom). Now, as to ships, consider the huge number of museum ships out there. Of course getting, say for example, the USS Alabama up and running again would be a massive, massive undertaking not even considering that she needs oil in them thar engines in more ways than just fuel...that might be a post-post-Twilight War undertaking... On the more practical side, regarding small arms? Yeah, the US in Post T2k is going to be swimming in everything from .22 revolvers up to .50 machine guns (and DsHK's) pretty much forever, so no issue there. Wasn't there something in Howling Wilderness about millions of "Civilian M16s" distributed to local law enforcement and Civil Defense in kit form as a show of "support" for the reconstruction project? Something to the effect of if you see guys in uniforms all holding M16s its a sign that there's some kind of authority or organized effort at reconstruction or something like that.
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Actually those Brazilian Stuart variants could have been used by the Mexican Army as well. In real life in the 90's the only tanks they had were M3 Stuart tanks and 3 Sherman tank retrievers.
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I wonder what the specs on the new hull armor and rangefinding gear are. Also, IRL, Brazil sold off a crapload of Stuarts (not the rebuilds) a few years ago. I remember reading somewhere that collectors were scrambling to get them as A - there were tons of them and B - they were being sold off for a pittance.
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Between the Littlefield and other private collections and the amouint that were still in various South American countries I could see the Stuart still being a factor in Twilight War and post Twilight War battlefields for quite some time
"As we've discussed with the possibility of the Littlefield Collection winding up as THE armored division west of the Rockies, likewise I'm sure large portions of the CAF would be too tempting for the government to pass up on. Like pressing Shermans into front line service, any aircraft is better than no aircraft, so the notion of having a P47 plus a couple of P51s - and a huge number of prop-driven bombers - is a great advantage." I would think that its more than a possibility - its the only real source of tanks and armored vehicles and more importantly trained techs and repair facilities in that area. And I agree with you on the value of old WWII fighters to MilGov and CivGov - yes they need aviation gas - but not as much as jets do. Plus keep in mind things like the Ozarks scenario. A single P-51 could shoot those airships and ultralights to pieces. And during that timeframe there were literally hundreds of WWII fighters, trainers, etc. still around in flyable shape in the US and Canada. Last edited by Olefin; 10-17-2014 at 12:07 PM. |
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Here is a link to a similar discussion we had last year.
Modernizing an M3 (M5A1) Stuart in the T2k setting. |
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Not just Brazil either, at various points in their history a few South American nations have built their vehicles and weapons locally (and not just local assembly of a foreign design but full manufacture of both licenced and indigenous designs).
Most of us here are probably aware that nations like Chile, Colombia and Mexico have produced smallarms and ammo for some time and also that Argentina and Brazil have produced vehicles but Argentina also built a number of it's own warships and I think it's been already mentioned earlier in the thread that they also built warplanes. Perhaps more interesting, they also built an indigenous tank during WW2 and they still have access to local technical expertise to manufacture armour plate. * Argentina also built a post-war SPG by converting Crusader tank hulls to carry guns taken from Krupp and Bofors 75mm field guns. The same platform was also converted to provide MLRS and AAG systems. ** With the potential for resources provided by Antarctica and no UN body to prevent its exploitation, it's possibly worth the effort for some Latin American nations to charge up their defence industries simply to secure resources from the Antarctic region for themselves. This would then put them in a pretty good position to supply armaments to other countries. * For anyone interested in Argentina's first local tank design, the "Nahuel" D.L. 43 (Nahuel has been taken to mean "tiger" in one of the Mapuche languages but it is probably more correctly translated as "puma" - there aren't many tigers in that part of the world!), the following page is about the most comprehensive write-up in English on the net: - http://www.tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww...ahuel_DL43.php This Russian page has a small amount of additional info http://www.aviarmor.net/tww2/tanks/a...ahuel_dl43.htm Google Translate version https://translate.google.com/transla...ahuel_dl43.htm There is also a YouTube video (well, a slideshow really) with a number of images but the listed data is very wrong in some cases. ** This page has a number of photos of both the Nahuel Medium Tank and the Crusader SPG but a small amount of data although it is info not covered on other sites. The site is also specifically about Argentina's military so appears to be far more accurate than some other sources on the net. The Nahuel is the second tank entry on the page with the Crusader SPG immediately following it. Sorry for lack of specific location but the page layout is appallingly bad - done in blog style rather than individual pages! http://www.militariarg.com/tanks-sup...-vehicles.html |
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European sources of armament
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Portugal produced a local version of the G3 starting in the mid-1980s, as well as MG-3. And of course 7.62N ammo to go with it. Spain (I never quite understood the supposed reasons for Spain to fall apart completely in any canon, though I can see falling back to regional levels. Regional govt + factories + ports hmmm) produced not only small arms, but IFVs, including supporting artillery. Spain produced an indigenous AR design (CETME model C) in 7.62N starting in 1974, replaced by an improved action in 5.56N starting in 1987. And the MAG3 MG. As well as local production of mortars and artillery, and both IFV/APCs and soft-skinned military vehicles. So, Some amount of weapons and NATO-flavored ammo may be available in the UK nearer than Japan or Brazil. Brazil it self is an interesting case, as even if you strike its oil industry targets with small nukes...
Argentina is also in a decent position - except as far as I know, they had not yet made an ethanol industry... More on that in another topic. Uncle Ted |
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