Teflon Terrorists....WAAAY OT!

[dragoon500ly]

Came across this on Frontpagemag.com. Its a bit right wing for my tastes, but it is intresting....




Most people in the Western world have no trouble acknowledging that Nazism is evil. The Third Reich, one of the most heinous regimes in history, was responsible for initiating the most costly war mankind has ever known, and perpetrating the world’s most monstrous acts of genocide, by which more than 17,000,000 people were slaughtered. ([1])

The evil of Nazism is apparent in the main characteristics of Nazi fascism described in a variety of analyses, ([2]) all of which find close parallels with characteristics found in many Muslim countries today. Yet few today are willing to examine these parallels and recognize the evil that threatens our generation. Let’s examine some of these parallels:

1. Extreme Nationalism – In some Muslim countries, nationalist concepts are replaced by the concept of the “umma” with loyalty to Islam as the supreme value.

2. Disdain for Human Rights – All too many of today’s Muslim states are among the world’s worst violators of human rights.

3. Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause – For more than a millennium, much of the Muslim world has been inculcated into the belief that the Jew is the supreme enemy all Muslims. Both Nazis and Muslim countries have expended enormous energy and resources on this heinous endeavor — and both chose Jews as the scapegoat.

4. Supremacy of the Military – Many Muslim regimes, especially those committed to the destruction of Israel and a never-ending Jihad against the West, are either military regimes or regimes dependent upon the military for their stability and control.

5. Rampant Sexism – Many Muslim countries are brutal oppressors of women.

6. Controlled Mass Media – Censorship is the norm in many Muslim countries, including blocking access to the Internet.

7. Obsession with National Security – Obsession with Israel as an existential threat is promoted by the most tyrannical of Muslim governments. (As if 7,000,000 Israelis, 20% of whom are Muslim, actually threaten 1,400,000,000 Muslims.)

8. Religion and Government Intertwined – Islam is the embodiment of a social organization in which religion and government are one.

9. Corporate Power is Protected – In Muslim countries, not corporate but ruling religious or royal elites are protected by reliance on military and on the infiltration of loyal kinsmen into positions of power and wealth.

10. Labor Power is Suppressed – In many Muslim countries, labor has no power. In countries with unions, they are often run by the government. Interestingly, in the Arab countries in which the “Arab Spring” uprisings are succeeding, the hitherto suppressed labor unions are playing a key role. ([3])

11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts – In most Muslim countries, for most of Muslim history, graphic, plastic, and visual arts have been prohibited on religious grounds and intellectual pursuits must be subordinated to religious priorities.

12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment – The brutality of police and military forces in many Muslim countries is well known, as is the cruel and unusual nature of punishment for even minor crimes, especially when dealing with women.

13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption – Cronyism and kleptocracy characterize many Muslim governments today.

14. Fraudulent Elections – Elections in the Muslim world, in the few countries where there are elections, usually consist of “one man, one vote, one time” as “presidents” are elected for life.

To the above should be added the propagation of the belief in the natural superiority of the fascist-led group. Aryan superiority for Nazi Germany is paralleled by the Muslim religious belief in the superiority of Islam over all other religions. Deutschland über Alles can be aptly compared to the traditional Islamic goal of the supremacy of Islam over all the world’s religions, a supremacy best achieved by religious imperialist warfare: Jihad.

But perhaps the most frightening parallel is that both Nazis and Muslim nations have gleefully committed so much of their resources to the genocide of all whom they considered enemies. It is their undying commitment to the destruction of Israel and the genocide of its Jews that brings the Arab jihadist terrorists into the Nazi fascist camp – an observation made by Hajj Amin el-Husseini himself almost 70 years ago. ([4])

Post-WW2 Germany has worked for decades to expose Nazism’s unmitigated evil and to enact laws intended to prevent its resurgence. The UN, too, shortly after WW2, convened a genocide conference to create international guidelines to prevent the recurrence of such hitherto unimaginable brutality. ([5])

The Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide was adopted by the United Nations General Assembly on December 9, 1948 as General Assembly Resolution 260. The Convention entered into force on January 12, 1951. Genocide became officially a crime against humanity.

Tragically, this evil was transplanted to the Arab world, primarily via Egypt, Iraq and the good graces of the Hajj Amin el-Husseini, where it was grafted onto the 1,400 year old Muslim culture of Jew-hatred and transmogrified into today’s endless, relentless, intractable Jihadist war against Israel and against Western civilization. ([6])

But while the evil did not die, our condemnation of it seems to have atrophied.

In the aftershock of WW2 and the Holocaust, Western morality and politics supposedly cannot accommodate genocide as a tolerable response to any grievance or provocation. Yet when Muslim leaders proclaim their genocidal intent against Jews, and then attempt to match their words with deeds, no one refers them to the UN’s 1948 Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide. No one reminds them that genocide is a crime against humanity, as are conspiracy to commit genocide, incitement to genocide, and complicity in genocide. ([7])

And if someone dares.

David Frum, while a speechwriter for President G. W. Bush, coined the phrase “Axis of Evil” back in 2001, to identify the major terrorist-supporting states (Iran, Iraq, and Syria) that were waging a terror war against the USA. Frum’s decision to create this term grew out of his familiarity with WW2’s Axis Powers. The more Frum studied WW2, the more he saw Nazi ideologies and actions as parallel to the terrorism and jihadist ideology of modern Muslim terrorist-supporting states and their terrorist puppets. But when President Bush used “Axis of Evil” in a speech, this sobriquet quickly became the target of much parody and ridicule, some of which offered audio reproductions of the beautiful and touching lullabies sung by Muslim women in Iran and Syria to their infants; making the point that the people inhabiting these Axis of Evil countries were simple human beings no more or less evil than anyone else, and asking indirectly: what does this tell us about the man who calls them evil?

Sixty years after the Holocaust and the worst crimes against humanity in all of world history, a national American leader called the Muslim avatar of those same Nazi crimes “evil,” and he was ridiculed.

Genocide is the most galactic violation of human rights imaginable, the most heinous and arch-typical crime against humanity. Genocide, attempted genocide, incitement to genocide with hate speech, hate preach and hate teach, and the education of small children into a commitment to genocide — these are the behaviors condemned by the civilized world in 1948. Yet these are the defining characteristics of Hamas, Hezbollah, Fatah, and dozens of other Arab terrorist organizations, and of those Muslim governments that support and train and arm the terrorists.

It is important to recall that the so-called Palestinian struggle for political self-determination is the only one in the world, and across all of world history, whose sole defining paradigm is terrorism and whose unique and unrelenting goal is the destruction of a sovereign state and the genocide of its Jews.

And this barbarity is not limited to the Arab-Israel conflict.

The savage violence of Muslims against Muslims is grotesquely attested throughout the Muslim world. Consider Sudan, where a 22-year war led by Sudanese Arab rulers resulted in the murder of 2,000,000 black African Christians and animists in the south, and more recently, the slaughter of at least half a million black African Muslims in Darfur.

To that add the brutality of the terrorism of Sunni against Shiite and vice versa in Iraq, the barbarism of the resurgent Taliban in Afghanistan, and the Iranian and Syrian mass murder of their own citizenry by the thousands and even tens of thousands. Massacres of Muslims by Muslims in mosques, at weddings, at funerals, in schools, on buses, all mar our headlines with revolting regularity.

The sheer obscenity of such heinous savagery is beyond description, but few are willing to say so.

When the Nazis did it, it was evil. Now that Muslims are making rapid and unabashed progress toward the same goal, all too many of our leaders at every level in society turn a blind eye, whitewash, excuse, diminish, or deny the once so thoroughly condemned evil of genocidal fascism.

It is as though Muslim terrorists and terror-supporting nations have a Teflon coating. No matter what hatred they teach or preach, what murder or mass murder they perpetrate, what threats of nuclear or other destruction they promise, most of the West is willing to ignore the evil and accept the transparent excuses of “national liberation” or “political self-determination.”

By refusing to call evil by its name, we free the terrorists to be as evil as they want to be.

Ending the charade is long overdue.

Endnotes:

[1] We know now, thanks to the belated but welcome opening of the doors to the Nazi archives at Bad Arolsen, that Hitler’s henchmen murdered at least 17,000,000 people in Nazi concentration camps….more than one-third of them Jews. For summaries of the archive’s public exposure in 2006 see, inter alia, http://judaism.about.com/od/holocaus...badarolson.htm,
http://www.usnews.com/usnews/news/ar...21archives.htm, and

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/...n2267927.shtml

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[2] Inter alia: http://www.holocaust-education.dk/ba...nsideologi.asp, and cf. Dr. Lawrence Brit, Free Inquiry, http://www.rense.com/general37/fascism.htm. This article was based upon the article “The Hallmarks of Fascist Regime” by Skip Stone, at www.hippy.com/php/article-226.html. The original article by Dr. Britt first appeared in http://www.secularhumanism.org/index...age=britt_23_2.


[3] For summaries of this issue, see inter alia, http://www.globalissues.org/news/2011/05/27/9826; http://www.jordantimes.com/?news=36942


[4] Meir-Levi, David, History Upside Down, pp. 10f, and footnotes 6-8 for the Hajj’s admiration of the Nazis, his friendship with Hitler, and his plan to bring the Nazi “final solution” to British Mandatory Palestine.


[5] http://www.aegistrust.org/Treaties-C...tion-1948.html, and http://www.hrweb.org/legal/genocide.html for original UN text.


[6] For details of how and when this transmogrification took place, see Black, Edwin, The Farhud: Roots of the Arab-Nazi Alliance in the Holocaust, Dialog Press, Washington, 2010; Mallmann, Klaus-Michael and Cuppers, Martin, Nazi Palestine: The Plans for the Extermination of the Jews of Palestine, Enigma Books, New York, 2010; Morse, Chuck, The Nazi Connection to Islamic Terrorism: Adolph Hitler and Haj Amin Al-Husseini, New York, 2010; Meir-Levi, David, History upside Down: the Roots of Palestinian Fascism and the Myth of Israeli Aggression, Encounter Books, New York 2007; and Kuntzel, Matthias, Jihad and Jew-Hatred: Islamism, Nazism, and the Roots of 9/11, Telos Press, 2007).


[7] Supra note 5, UN Genocide Convention, paragraph 3 lists the punishable offenses.

[Panther Al]

Something to consider:

The Baath party to which Sadam and Assad belong(ed) to, isn't a word. Its an acronym:

In english it stands for Pan Arab Nationalist Socialist Party.

[James Langham]

Actually I would say that the main reason the Arabs were pro-German in WW2 was the fact that German colonialism had never occurred in the Middle East (giving a direct experience) and the Germans were promising a chance to overthrown the British and French. Even if the Germans would have tried to be colonial masters, the Arabs would have been united and far more confident in their abilities to remove a colonial overlord. Germany and the Arabs were really playing each other... Very much the enemy of my enemy is my friend time.

[Adm.Lee]

There may have been a residue of pro-German feeling/nostalgia from WWI. The Germans pushed the Ottomans to make that a pan-Islamic jihad (but only against the British and French, not all Christians), which mostly fizzled and/or backfired.

Check out the book "The Berlin to Baghdad Express" for coverage on this.

[Targan]

I think a link to the article might have been more appropriate dragoon500ly, rather than re-posting it here in full. While I don't dispute most of the facts contained in the article it is clearly very anti-Muslim and is probably not the sort of thing we as a community here would want ourselves directly associated with.

There are some points in the article that demonise Islam but have parallels to aspects of Christianity in many western countries. I've heard and read many quotes from America, Australia and other nominally Christian countries that echo "1. Extreme Nationalism – In some Muslim countries, nationalist concepts are replaced by the concept of the “umma” with loyalty to Islam as the supreme value" but from a Christian standpoint. And I have to say, some of the hyper-patriotism I hear voiced in some parts of the US media concern me greatly.

Then there is "8. Religion and Government Intertwined – Islam is the embodiment of a social organization in which religion and government are one". Well I have to say, I don't want to see any mention of any religion whatsoever in any part of the government or judiciary where I live. Unfortunately, however, I do. There are readings from the bible in Australia's Federal Parliament from time to time, for instance, and that annoys the hell out of me. I live in a secular democracy. Religion is a personal thing IMO and has no place in official government or judicial functions. So when I see criticism of Muslim countries intertwining religion and government, to me its just a more extreme version of what happens in many western countries too. All those centuries of mass killings and destruction over religious disagreements, still continuing today, and to me it's just senseless slaughter over whose fairy tale is correct. So much for societal advancement. It's ridiculous.

"13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption – Cronyism and kleptocracy characterize many Muslim governments today". Huh? They also characterise many Christian governments today. And governments dominated by other faiths or by no faith. China, anyone? Large parts of South America and Africa? More crazy talk.

[ShadoWarrior]

Originally Posted by Targan

And I have to say, some of the hyper-patriotism I hear voiced in some parts of the US media concern me greatly.

I live in the US and that sort of brainless frothing at the mouth concerns me no end. It's the same crap that was seen during the rise of Nazi Germany. The parallels between Germany in the early 30s and the US today are more than a bit disturbing because there are so many shocking similarities. I keep asking myself can people really be so stupid? Alas, the answer is 'yes'. It's what happens when you go through 12 years of school trying your damn best to avoid doing any work while parents just as ignorant let their brats get away with it.

[Panther Al]

*hrms* Targan does have a very valid point: There are areas even in the US where you can swap one word and be spot on. There is a reason why I occasionally refer to a "Christian Taliban" here in the US, that happens to get its goals by working within the system to achieve its version of "Religious Laws" that are applied to everyone regardless. And there is places where I think they are getting their way to various degrees.

[waiting4something]

Religion in the USA does not scare me. The political parties and their fans do. I imagine other countries are the same too. The other countries can throw stones at the USA's failings all they want, but they live in glass houses themselves. There are no real single countries anymore, sadly. We are all in this together. It's like some sci-fi movie that is supposed to warn us of what we are becoming. Well we became it.

[Targan]

Originally Posted by waiting4something

Religion in the USA does not scare me.

No? Fair enough. How about we use a word like "concern" instead of fear. For instance, are you not concerned about those wackos that picket the funerals of KIA'd American soldiers, waving plackards and screaming that America is being punished by God for its sinful ways and that all gays should die? Those people refer to themselves as Christians. In fact as far as I can tell they regard themselves as "good" and "righteous" Christians. Christianity, a faith supposedly based on love and compassion as taught by Christ himself, and here are these "good and righteous" Christians spewing forth hatred of the nastiest variety. Not to say that Australia is without similar nutjobs. Luckily here they relatively rare and have the good sense to keep much more to themselves.

A chunk of that essay in the opening post relates to genocide, focussing on the Nazis and Islam. Well there have been incidents of genocide, attempted genocide and ethnic cleansing in modern times which were perpetrated by people other than Muslims. As a matter of fact some of the genocide committed during the 1990s in the Balkans was committed BY Christians AGAINST Muslims. Anyone remember that? Many of those involved in the Rwanda and Burundi massacres were Christians too. Not to say Christianity is inherently evil, far from it. Christianity CAN be a great force for good in the world. Moving on.

In India from time to time there are some really vicious outbreaks of religious violence and some of the worst have been perpetrated by extremist Hindu groups, against Muslims. And finally, spare a thought for all those moderate, modern thinking Muslims in the world who look upon the violent actions of extremist Muslims with abject horror and disgust.

I dunno, perhaps as a species we just need to kill, and religion is just a handy excuse when other excuses aren't readily at hand.

Edit: Perhaps I should emphasise that this is not me intending to bash America or Christianity. The point I've tried to make is that demonising any one particular faith in the way that article did is fraught with the danger of sliding into hypocrisy. It seems to me that given the right circumstances just about any group of people can engage in abhorrent behaviour towards their fellow men.

[Cpl. Kalkwarf]

That group that does the harassing of funerals is just a bunch of dirt bags using religion to get the money. They are hoping someone just decides to do something to them so they can sue the hell out and get large amounts of money.

They are not a religion, they are just using religion to spread hate.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westboro_Baptist_Church
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Phelps

The head dirt bag was a big lefty civil rights activist, and I believe still is. This is just a front he is using to stir up hate in the name of religion.

Luckily his group is just a small bunch of kooks and not mainstream.

They are the exception and not the rule. He most likely will end up in a very warm place when he passes on to judgement.

[dragoon500ly]

First of all, let me apoligize to the forum for posting this to begin with.

This piece was written by an Israeli journalist (now living in the US), "alerting" everyone as to the dangers of Islam. Much of what he wrote is true, to a degree. As Targan pointed out, however, it can also be pointed at the other end of the religious spectrum.

My only intent in posting was to encourage debate, both pro and con. It was certainly not my intent to slam any single religion, if anything, I tend to slam all organized religions, because of the hate that they dish out to their followers. All of the major religions stress that God, Allah, Yaweh, Lord Buddha, et al, tells us to love our neighbors and forgive our enemies. And yet, in the name of whatever supreme being that we worship, there are those, for lack of a better word, religious fanatics who are too willing to kill in the name of God, and it doesn't matter if those killed are women or children. As one Catholic churchman stated "Kill them all, God knows his own!"

It is indeed a sad commentary of "civilization" that this is allowed to happen.

[95th Rifleman]

Originally Posted by dragoon500ly

First of all, let me apoligize to the forum for posting this to begin with.

This piece was written by an Israeli journalist (now living in the US), "alerting" everyone as to the dangers of Islam. Much of what he wrote is true, to a degree. As Targan pointed out, however, it can also be pointed at the other end of the religious spectrum.

My only intent in posting was to encourage debate, both pro and con. It was certainly not my intent to slam any single religion, if anything, I tend to slam all organized religions, because of the hate that they dish out to their followers. All of the major religions stress that God, Allah, Yaweh, Lord Buddha, et al, tells us to love our neighbors and forgive our enemies. And yet, in the name of whatever supreme being that we worship, there are those, for lack of a better word, religious fanatics who are too willing to kill in the name of God, and it doesn't matter if those killed are women or children. As one Catholic churchman stated "Kill them all, God knows his own!"

It is indeed a sad commentary of "civilization" that this is allowed to happen.

I don't think an apology is required, even a biased source can reveal interesting truths.

Islam is a widespread and varied faith, most peple don't even realise it has almost as many denominations and variations as Christinianity, most people think it's split into simply sunni and shiah and tbh most folks don't even know what the difference between the two actualy is.

We see Islamic terrorism and that becomes the face of Islam. We don't see the innocent Islamic Serbs who where raped and murdered in Bosnia, we don't see the large Chinese muslim population who occupy a large region of northern China and don't actualy blow anybody up, (I know it's a shocking concept, Muslims who DON'T blow shit up).

On the flipside we forget that Israel was built by terrorists, it has been forgotten how they launched a terrorist campaighn against the British.

Terrorists are not always the bad guys, it's still a very controversial situation in Northern Ireland as Sinn fein have become serious political players now that the IRA have disarmed.

Anything that invokes debate on terrorism and explores the grey rather than allowing black and white misconceptions is a good thing.

[dragoon500ly]

Its a cliche, but one man's terrorist is often another man's freedom fighter.

That being said, just what is the fine line in between the two?

IMO, a freedom fighter restricts their attacks to military or political targets, taking all reasonable precautions to prevent the death or injuries of innocents. These are, after all, the people that you are fighting to liberate. That being said, I do accept that accidents will happen, but if the freedom fighters make a reasonable effort to follow the above, then I can see giving them combatant status under the Geneva/Hague conventions.

IMO, a terrorist will go out of their way to target civilians, after all, they can't shoot back. Most terrorist organizations make little if any effort to engage military or even law enforcement, and most of that will take the form of bombings or dive bys of their homes. In which case, to paraphase General Sheridan, the only good terrorist is a dead terrorist.

[95th Rifleman]

Originally Posted by dragoon500ly

Its a cliche, but one man's terrorist is often another man's freedom fighter.

That being said, just what is the fine line in between the two?

IMO, a freedom fighter restricts their attacks to military or political targets, taking all reasonable precautions to prevent the death or injuries of innocents. These are, after all, the people that you are fighting to liberate. That being said, I do accept that accidents will happen, but if the freedom fighters make a reasonable effort to follow the above, then I can see giving them combatant status under the Geneva/Hague conventions.

IMO, a terrorist will go out of their way to target civilians, after all, they can't shoot back. Most terrorist organizations make little if any effort to engage military or even law enforcement, and most of that will take the form of bombings or dive bys of their homes. In which case, to paraphase General Sheridan, the only good terrorist is a dead terrorist.

The problem is the definitions don't work. If you look at the resistance movements in WW2, they commited barbaric warcrimes and the post-liberation treatment of suspected collabatarors (can never spell the damn word) was downright savage.

There is an uncomfortable truth that in a democracy, the civilian is a legitimate target. It is the civilian that, in the end, determines foreighn policy by voting in or out government officials. If you can subject the civilian to enough fear and terror (so the theory goes) they will vote in a government that will yield to the demands of the terrorists.

It's a flawed theory, I admit, but not without merits. Afterall it was public opinion that helped to end the Vietnam war.

Also we have this view that unless the other guy wears a uniform and meets us, honourably, on the field of battle then he is somehwo inferior and evil. Well Iraq proved what happens when a poorly equipped, badly trained army tries to face up against modern, western kit.

So the other guy plays smart, he goes underground. He plants bombs, snipes our troops and fights on his terms. He targets civilians that are seen to be supporting the allies or bombs indiscriminately to invoke fear and terror to ensure that civilians don't even think about supporting them.

The rules of war only work when both sides are on an equal footing and agree to follow them. In ALL conflicts, as soon as you start to lose ina fair fight the rules are the first thing that get thrown out of the window.

[ShadoWarrior]

Originally Posted by 95th Rifleman

can never spell the damn word

You can use a browser with a built-in spelling checker, like Firefox. Even your sig has several spelling errors, never mind the plethora of them in most of your posts.

[95th Rifleman]

Originally Posted by ShadoWarrior

You can use a browser with a built-in spelling checker, like Firefox. Even your sig has several spelling errors, never mind the plethora of them in most of your posts.

that's dyslexia for you. 31 years old and suffered with the damn thing al my life. I have long since given up worrying about it, people understand what I'm trying to type so it's all good.

[ShadoWarrior]

Originally Posted by 95th Rifleman

that's dyslexia for you

All the more reason to use a better browser.

[headquarters]

Originally Posted by James Langham

Actually I would say that the main reason the Arabs were pro-German in WW2 was the fact that German colonialism had never occurred in the Middle East (giving a direct experience) and the Germans were promising a chance to overthrown the British and French. Even if the Germans would have tried to be colonial masters, the Arabs would have been united and far more confident in their abilities to remove a colonial overlord. Germany and the Arabs were really playing each other... Very much the enemy of my enemy is my friend time.

The Germans were allied with Ottoman empire and promised the moslems significant advantages in the new world order after the hated Brits and French infidels had been driven out again. Also - the Allies used the word crusade callously - not understanding the negative significance it holds for moslems. Being allied to the most powerful moslem nation in the world -naturally the German cause was better recieved than the Allied.

[headquarters]

Originally Posted by 95th Rifleman

that's dyslexia for you. 31 years old and suffered with the damn thing al my life. I have long since given up worrying about it, people understand what I'm trying to type so it's all good.

peopl only rd a few lettrs in evry wrd anyws

[MajorPo]

It is unfortunate that this kind of anti-muslim propaganda gets spread around and published to help feed the growing "us and them" mentality. It is also sad that after all these centuries of social and cultural development there are still so many educated and otherwise rational adults who are so quick to fight about what is the 'correct' way of talking to their invisible friend.

Poverty and deprivation along with poor education are the breeding grounds of superstition and religion. This is the reason that religions (particularly christianity and islam) are growing so well in the Third world countries (and in First world countries with large gaps between rich and poor). Our only hope going forward is to do our best to reduce the poverty and improve the education standards. Perhaps then more people will stop relying on an invisible friend and start understanding and caring more about the world around them.