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I'm still tinkering with this project as I find the time. I'm not done with the US Military guide yet, but I jumped the gun and started working on a Soviet and Warsaw Pact guide.
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Love the drawings of the tanks hell-fish , any pictures of 1962 Berlin brigade tanks (French,British and Americans).
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Here's a British Comet from 1960 in the Berlin Brigade. And a Chieftain. |
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British Centurion, American M48 and French AMX13 in Berlin October 1962.
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They look excellent, keep up the good work 😊
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French tanks looks tiny compared to the British and French, did they not have anything heavier in West Berlin.
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AMX-30 didn't come out till '65. Before then I think they only had M47s and a few oddballs with AMX-50s hanging around. They were busy with Algeria and Africa for a lot of this time period, and didn't have a lot of money.
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Do we know where this photo was taken, was it inside West Berlin.
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According to The Tank Museum caption it was.
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I'm also still working on my end of things! Just looking at more units earlier today from the South Carolina, PA, Louisiana, and Texas NGs.
While the Chieftan didn't enter service until '66 (Challenger I's early 80s) the British Army was tinkering around with turret redesigns for the Centurion that in my version of the timeline saw wartime production. Mentioned them a couple posts back The "Action X" was just a new turret on a Centurion Mk. 7 while the FV4202 (I called it the Super Centurion or Cohort, inventive) was a conservative evolution of the Centurion design that was later dropped in favor of the design that became the Chieftan circa 1959. Instead, it ends up being produced instead of more Centurions in my T64 timeline. Action X turret in testing. FV4202 prototype I'm glad everyone's still interested! My computer was hors de combat for most of December and January so I'm just getting around to catching up on things. (Also had to write about ten thousand words for a magazine article) |
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Front line units in Germany were pretty badly under strength on armor. According to a US Army report they had 43 AMX-SS-11s (AMX-13 with a rack of four SS-11 AT missiles officially called the AMX-13 T75 (Char Lance SS-11)), 50% of their TO&E, and only 45% of their table APCs (AMX-VTT and -VCI). The 1st Division was heavy armor and had some of the early AMX-30s plus M47s, plus plenty of AMX-13s to go around. |
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Moved over to Navy materials. If anyone's interested in diesel subs in WWIII, got some good info on the GUPPY and Fleet Snorkel programs, seaplane refueling sub projects, and Naval Reserve Training Subs.
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Would love to see the Navy in this one...especially if the two nuclear-powered surface ships are still going: namely USS Enterprise (CVAN-65) and USS Long Beach (CGN-9) Enterprise's air wing would have flown strikes into Cuba in support of the invasion, for starters.
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At least in my timeline, the naval and ground troops of the Cuban invasion force were pretty much whipped out as an effective fighting force. Survivors have straggled back to south Florida but the Enterprise is an unsailable wreck. The Navy enclave at Key West has been using her reactor to power their facility. Independence is damaged but repairable, there's just no facilities to do it. Essex was sunk. Long Beach and Bainbridge are still around. Long Beach spent most of the war in the North Atlantic but is in Norfolk now. Bainbridge transited to the Pacific. They both serve as couriers/HQs for US Naval forces.
Other notes: Indonesia had begun taking delivery of 12 Whiskey-class submarines in 1962, as well as two Russian sub tenders. Some sources state 1967, but most state that the sub tenders were turned over in the summer of 1962 with the submarines beginning delivery in January. One tender was a slightly older Project 233K and the other a newer Don-class (with some more actual pictures of the latter in service). Contemporary photos (possibly) show as many as eight subs may have been delivered by year end 1962. The US Navy had assigned various diesel submarines, mostly unmodified Gato and Balao-class boats, to naval installations across the country as training facilities for the Naval Reserve. By the end of the decade most were permanently rendered unable to dive, in 1962 they were almost all ready for conversion to operational boats. Batteries were sometimes removed, or they were locked out of being able to dive. Here's a list I've compiled of stations and subs in 1962:
Some of the units assigned to Reserve Submarines:
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Following up on the, ehem, Navy boat, here's the 1960 Landing Party Manual, the last publication from the US Navy on sailors operating as ground forces, their organization, and equipment. There was apparently a 1962 revision, but as most things, if it isn't very early in the year/I can't find it, 1960-1961 material suffices.
https://archive.org/details/OPNAVP34...yManual1960Red |
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To go with the Corps area map, the US Navy districts in 1962.
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USNR Units from 1961-1962, Aviation and called-up Selected Reserve ships
HS-741: NAS Jacksonville HS-742: NAS Jacksonville HS-743: NAS Jacksonville HS-871: NAS Oakland HSS-1 HS-872: NAAS Ream Field HSS-1 HS-912: NAS South Weymouth HU-731: NAS Grosse Ile HUP HU-733: NAS Grosse Ile HU-751: NAS Lakehurst HUP HU-812: NAS Minneapolis HUP VA-672: NAS Atlanta VA-891: NAS Seattle VF-725: NAS Glenview VF-727: NAS Glenview VF-791: NARTU Memphis VF-873: NAS Alameda A4D VP-672: NAS Atlanta VP-741: NAS Jacksonville VP-791: NARTU Memphis VP-872: NAS Alameda VP-873: NAS Oakland VP-875: NAS Oakland P2V5F VP-876: NAS Oakland P2V VP-881: NAS Olathe VP-911: NAS South Weymouth VP-913: NAS South Weymouth VR-742: NAS Jacksonville VR-872: NAS Alameda VR-873 VS-741: NAS Jacksonville VS-753: NAS Lakehurst VS-873: NAS Alameda VS-875: NAS Alameda S2F VS-892: NAS Seattle S2F Air Wing Staff 70: NAS Dallas Air Wing Staff 72: NAS Glenview DERs transferred to Selected Reserve September 1961 USS Haverfield (DER-393): Seattle, WA USS Koiner (DER-331): San Francisco, CA USS Wilhoite (DER-397): San Francisco, CA USS Lansing (DER-388): Long Beach, CA USS Forster (DER-334): Long Beach, CA Haverfield, Lansing, and Forster will enter Group Two of the Reserve traing program; they will be manned by "nucleus crews" of Regular Navy men in addition to the local Reservists. These ships will be available to the Fleet with a minimum of delay. Wilhoite and Koiner will be placed in Group One, and will have larger crews of Regular Navy personnel; they will be ready for immediate recall. Selected Reserve Units Called to Duty in October 1961 USS Miller (DD-535) USS Parle (DE-708)* USS Tills (DE-748) USS Hood (DD-655)* USS Remey (DD-688)* ** USS DeLong (DE-684) USS Thaddeus Parker (DE-369) USS Albert T. Harris (DE-447) USS Coates (DE-685) USS McNair (DD-679) USS Kidd (DD-661) USS J. Douglas Blackwood (DE-219) USS Snowden (DE-246) USS Bearss (DD-654)* USS Roberts (DE-749) USS Loeser (DE-680) USS Robert F. Keller (DE-419) USS Darby (DE-218) USS Hunt (DD-674)* USS Robinson (DD-562) USS Greenwood (DE-679)** USS Tweedy (DE-532) USS Wren (DD-568)* USS Huse (DE-145)* USS Crow (DE-252) USS Woodson (DE-359) USS Daniel A. Joy (DE-585) USS Tingey (DD-539) USS Colahan (DD-658) USS Marsh (DE-699) USS Vammen (DE-644) USS Wiseman (DE-667) USS Laws (DD-558) USS Walton (DE-361) USS Edmonds (DE-406) USS Alvin C. Cockrell (DE-366) USS Watts (DD-567) USS Whitehurst (DE-634) USS Charles E. Brannon (DE-446)** USS McGinty (DE-365) USS Plover MSC(O)-33 VP-661 (P2V Neptune) VP-741 (P2V Neptune) VP-832 (P2V Neptune) VP-872 (P2V Neptune) VP-933 (P2V Neptune) VS-721 (S2F Tracker) VS-733 (S2F Tracker) VS-751 (S2F Tracker) VS-771 (S2F Tracker) VS-772 (S2F Tracker) VS-821 (S2F Tracker) VS-837 (S2F Tracker) VS-861 (S2F Tracker): NAS Norfolk VS-872 (S2F Tracker) VS-873 (S2F Tracker) VS-891 (S2F Tracker) VS-915 (S2F Tracker) VS-935 (S2F Tracker) *=Scheduled for repairs and overhaul, targeted to be ready by November 1st **=Battle 'E' for 1961 Titles of USNR Shore Units 1961-1962 BuShips Company Supply Company Hospital Corps Division Naval Weapons Training Unit Surface Division (Large) Surface Division (Medium) Construction Battalion/SeaBee Division Electronics Division Naval Security Group Division Submarine Division Intelligence Division Reserve Research Company Public Relations Company Ship Activation, Maintenance, and Repair Division Harbor Defense Division Units were numbered with District Number - Serial number of unit in that district, for example: Harbor Defense Division 5-1 was located in Norfolk, VA. |
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Some more Naval Reserve aviation unit info. Why am I still working on this two years and four months after starting? No idea at all really, other than sometimes material comes up that feels like it should be here.
Corrections to Duty Stations and Aircraft Type, US Navy Reserve Squadrons called to Active Duty 1961-1962 From Appendix 14, Dictionary of American Naval Aviation Squadrons Volume 2 Naval Aeronautical Organization Notice 1/1/61 VP-661: Howard Air Force Base, Panama (P2V-5F) VP-721: NAS Quonset Point (P2V-6) VP-791: NAS Norfolk (P2V-5FS) VP-811: NAS Brunswick (P2V-4) VP-831: NAS Patuxent River (P2V-5F/P2V-5FS) VP-832: NAS New York (P2V-5F) VP-872: NAS Barber's Point VP-883: NAS Chincoteague (P2V-6) VP-911: NAS South Weymouth (P2V-5F/P2V-6) VP-933: NAS Willow Grove (P2V-5F) VA-672: AD-5 Skyraider VA-891: AD Skyraider USNR Units Equipped with tactical nuclear Low Altitude Bombing System aircraft Naval Aeronautical Organization Notice 1/1/61 NAS Glenview VMA-543: F9F-8B VMA-611: F9F-8B** NAS Los Alamitos VMF-134: F9F-8B NAS New Orleans VA-821: F9F-8B VA-822: F9F-8B VMA-143: F9F-8B** NAS New York VA-831: FJ-4B NAS Olathe VA-881: F9F-8B VA-882: F9F-8B** USNR/USMCR Fighter Squadrons and AD-5 Skyraider Attack Squadrons Naval Aeronautical Organization Notice 1/1/61 NAS Dallas VF-701: FJ-3M* VF-702: FJ-4* VMF-111: FJ-3* VMF-413: F11F-1** NAS Glenview VF-725: F9F-8 NAS Grosse Ile VA-731: AD-5/AD-5N NAS Minneapolis VMA-213: AD-5 NAS Memphis VF-791: FJ-4 VF-792: FJ-4** VMF-124: FJ-4 VMF-221: FJ-4** NAS New York VMF-313: FJ-3M/FJ-3 VMF-131: FJ-4** NAS Oakland VF-873: F2H-3/4 VF-876: F2H-3/4 VF-879: F11F-1** NAS Olathe VMF-113: F11F-1** VMF-215: F9F-8 NAS South Weymouth VMA-322: FJ-3 NAS Willow Grove VF-931: FJ-3 Training Squadrons with Fighter Aircraft for Transition Training Naval Aeronautical Organization Notice 1/1/61 NAAS Chase Field, TX VT-24: 21 F9F-8B VT-25: 21 F9F-8B VT-26: 32 F11F NAS Glynco, GA CIC School: 40 FJ-4 NAAS Kingsville, GA VT-21: 22 F9F-8B VT-22: 21 F9F-8B VT-23: 36 F11F *=Not specifically listed, conjecture **=Drawn from available aircraft in Naval Air Training Command Last edited by mcchordsage; 02-04-2020 at 11:26 PM. |
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I feel your pain. Once you go down the rabbit hole of research...
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USMCR stuff I mentioned a while back. Interestingly enough, the Navy Department was in the midst of reorganizing the scattered USMCR units, most of them battalions and companies, into the 4th Division in 1961/1962. So while the units had been reorganized, they didn't receive a higher division HQ until 1966. Wartime exigencies have changed things a bit for Twilight 1964.
The surplus of units not earmarked for the 4th Marine Division provides enough for a nucleus to the 5th Marine Division, purely of my own invention. Numbers in parenthesis approximate strength at mobilization based on Spring 1962 reporting, Officers/Enlisted. Below the line with parenthesis (Forum doesn't like tab overs) are what units either DoD/Navy reorganized for the 4th Marine Division, or I combined for the 5th. Also of my own invention are any of the units identified as "Marine Battalion [Location Name]", which existed in my notes to help concentrate units for re-flagging. Marine Corps Reserve mobilized formations, based on Reserve Posture Hearings, Committee on Armed Services, 87th Congress, 2nd Session Mobilization of the 4th Marine Division 1st Battalion, 23rd Marines (38/860) 6th Infantry Battalion: Houston, TX 13th Rifle Company: Austin, TX 33rd Rifle Company: Beaumont, TX 37th Rifle Company: Port Arthur, TX 2nd Battalion, 23rd Marines (34/642) 15th Infantry Battalion: Santa Monica, CA 15th Rifle Company: seal Beach, CA 82nd Rifle Company: Compton, CA 67th Rifle Company: Port Hueneme, CA 3rd Battalion, 23rd Marines (25/538) 7th Infantry Battalion: San Bruno, CA 9th Truck Company: Stockton, CA 14th Rifle Company: San Rafael, CA 35th Rifle Company: Santa Rosa, CA 1st Battalion, 24th Marines (27/796) 5th Infantry Battalion: Detroit, MI 50th Rifle Company: Lansing, MI 51st Rifle Company: Flint, MI 2nd Reconnaissance Battalion: Toledo, OH 2nd Battalion, 24th Marines (35/746) 9th Infantry Battalion: Chicago, IL 10th Infantry Battalion: Forest Park, IL 3rd Reconnaissance Company: Great Lakes, IL 3rd Battalion, 24th Marines (28/526) 2nd Anti-Tank Company: Gulfport, MS 4th Infantry Battalion: New Orleans, LA 29th Rifle Company: Lafayette, LA Baton Rouge Army Reserve Center 1st Battalion, 25th Marines (38/679) 1st Rifle Company: Springfield, MA 2nd Infantry Battalion: Boston, MA 18th Rifle Company: Manchester, NH 70th Rifle Company: Hartford, CT 2nd Battalion, 25th Marines (46/826) 1st Infantry Battalion: Garden City, NY 2nd Rifle Company: New Rochelle, NY 7th Rifle Company: Dover, NJ 46th Rifle Company: Albany, NY 3rd Battalion, 25th Marines (33/747) 4th 105mm Howitzer Battalion: Akron, OH 11th Infantry Battalion: Cleveland, OH 74th Rifle Company: Mansfield, OH 88th Rifle Company: Columbus, OH 1st Battalion, 14th Marines (30/521) 8th Howitzer Battalion (105mm): Los Angeles, CA 5th Gun Battery (155mm Gun): Pico-Rivers, CA 2nd Battalion, 14th Marines (25/409) 5th 105mm Howitzer Battalion: Dallas, TX 90th Rifle Company: Wichita Falls, TX 3rd Battalion, 14th Marines (30/534) 7th 105mm Howitzer Battalion: Philadelphia, PA 5th 155mm Howitzer Battery: Reading, PA 3rd 155mm Battery: Trenton, NJ 4th Battalion, 14th Marines (25/348) 3rd Howitzer Battalion (105mm): Birmingham, AL 1st Howitzer Battery (105mm): Chattanooga, TN 4th Amphibious Tractor Battalion (25/542) 1st Amphibious Tractor Battalion: Tampa, FL 1st Tank Company: Tallahassee, FL 2nd Amphibious tractor company: Jacksonville, FL 99th Rifle Company: West Palm Beach, FL 4th Anti-Tank Battalion (13/284) A Company (Reinforced): Rome, GA 1st Anti-Tank Company B Company (Reinforced): Tulare, CA 6th Anti-Tank Company C Company (Reinforced): Amarillo, TX 4th Anti-Tank Company Headquarters Battalion Communications Company: Cincinnati, OH (11/298) 4th Medical Battalion (8/58) B Company: Los Angeles, CA 4th Motor Transport Battalion (22/179) 1st Motor Transport Battalion: Atlanta, GA 4th Pioneer Battalion (23/469) 1st Engineer Battalion: Baltimore, MD 8th Rifle Company: Lynchburg, VA 4th Reconnaissance Battalion (19/437) 14th Infantry Battalion: San Antonio, TX 1st Reconnaissance Battalion: Corpus Christi, TX 4th Tank Battalion (15/205) C Company (Reinforced): Mattydale, NY Mobilization of the 5th Marine Division 1st Battalion, 26th Marines (36/820) 3rd Infantry Battalion Part of Marine Battalion McAlester 2nd Battalion, 26th Marines (35/820) 8th Infantry Battalion Part of Marine Battalion McAlester 3rd Battalion, 26th Marines (36/820) Marine Battalion Crane Part of Marine Battalion McAlester 1st Battalion, 27th Marines (34/991) 26th Infantry Battalion Marine Battalion Sampson 2nd Battalion, 27th Marines (32/837) 93rd Infantry Battalion Part Marine Battalion Portsmouth 3rd Battalion, 27th Marines (31/833) Marine Battalion Farragut Part Marine Battalion Portsmouth 1st Battalion, 28th Marines (40/748) 12th Infantry Battalion 2nd Battalion, 28th Marines (28/712) Marine Battalion A.P. Hill 3rd Battalion, 28th Marines (35/747) Marine Battalion Lockbourne 1st Battalion, 13th Marines (29/500) 1st 105mm Howitzer Battalion: Richmond, VA 5th 105mm Howitzer Battery: San Francisco, CA 6th 105mm Howitzer Battery: Canton, OH 1st 155mm Howitzer Battery: Newport, RI 2nd Battalion, 13th Marines (29/466) 6th 105mm Howitzer Battalion: Providence, RI 2nd 105mm Howitzer Battery: Jackson, MS 7th 105mm howitzer Battery: Waterloo, IA 3rd Battalion, 13th Marines (30/491) 2nd 155mm Howitzer Battery: Texarkana, TX 3rd 155mm Howitzer Battery: Connellsville, PA 4th 155mm Howitzer Battery: Raleigh, NC 5th 155mm Howitzer Battery: Joliet, IL 8th 155mm Howitzer Battery: Spokane, WA 4th Battalion, 13th Marines (19/463) 4th 155mm Gun Battery (Reinforced): Denver, CO 7th 155mm Gun Battery: Bakersfield, CA 4th 8in Howitzer Battery: Fort Worth, TX 5th Motor Transport Battalion: Memphis, TN (17/225) 3rd Air Naval Gunfire Liaison Company (10/206) 5th Engineer Battalion (11/442) 5th Anti-Tank Battalion (7/239) 3rd Anti-Tank Company: Midland, TX 5th Anti-Tank Company: Pueblo, CO 7th Anti-Tank Company: Yakima, WA 5th Tank Battalion (21/276) 1st Tank Battalion: San Diego, CA 6th Communications Company: Alameda, CA (7/189) Fleet Marine Force Reserve 3rd Force Reconnaissance Company (5/98) 1st Reconnaissance Company: Mobile, AL 4th Force Reconnaissance Company (4/118) 4th Reconnaissance Company: San Bernardino, CA 5th Force Reconnaissance Company (6/134) 2nd Reconnaissance Company: Albuquerque, NM 2nd Engineer Company: Lynn, MA (8/149) 3rd Engineer Company: Youngstown, OH (7/156) 5th Engineer Company: Roanoke, VA (6/133) 6th Engineer Company: Knoxville, TN (6/108) 8th Engineer company: Orlando, FL (6/128) 9th Engineer Company: phoenix, AZ (8/162) 10th Engineer Company: Portland, ME (4/74) 12th Engineer Company: Tucson, AZ (5/88) 3rd Engineer Maintenance Company (5/90) 86th Rifle Company: Lincoln, NE 4th Engineer Battalion (30/465) 3rd Engineer Battalion: Portland, OR 2nd 155mm gun battery: Eugene, OR 3rd 155mm gun battery: Salem, OR 4th Air Naval Gunfire Liaison Company (14/288) 2nd Howitzer battalion (105MM): Miami, FL 1st Communications Maintenance Company (10/194) 9th Communications Company: Freemansburg, PA 2nd Communications Maintenance Company (9/251) 2nd Communications Company: Brooklyn, NY 3rd Communications Maintenance Company: Wichita, KS (4/94) 1st Radio Relay Company (9/168) 8th Communications Company: Indianapolis, IN 2nd Radio Relay Company (7/132) 1st Communications Company: Worcester, MA 6th Communications Company: Alameda, CA (7/189) 7th Communications Company: Huntington, NY 4th Communications Battalion (33/632) 2nd Communications Support Battalion: Chicago, IL 3rd Communications Company: Rochester, NY 22nd Rifle Company: Winston-Salem, NC 85th Rifle Company: Greensboro, NC 5th Communications Battalion (5/145) 1st Communications Support Battalion: Fort Schuyler, NY 1st Air Delivery Company: San Jose, CA (7/205) 1st Combat Service Support Battalion: Norfolk, VA (11/191) 2nd Motor Transport Maintenance Company (11/146) 3rd Motor Transport Battalion: Wyoming, PA 3rd Motor Transport Maintenance Company (4/127) 6th Truck Company: Sacramento, CA 4th Motor Transportation Maintenance Company (5/102) 8th Truck Company: Dayton, OH 5th Motor Transport Maintenance Company (2/60) 87th Rifle Company: Abilene, TX 6th Motor Transport Maintenance Company (5/106) 2nd Truck Company: Augusta, GA 1st Ordnance Field Maintenance Company: Columbia, PA (4/74) 2nd Ordnance Maintenance Company 2nd Ordnance Field Maintenance Company: Moline, IL (6/97) 3rd Ordnance Field Maintenance Company: Lawrence, MA (4/80) 6th Ordnance Field Maintenance Company (2/73) 72nd Rifle Company: Lima, OH 1st Truck Company: Tulsa, OK (5/128) 3rd Truck Company: New Haven, CT (6/124) 4th Truck Company: Erie, PA (5/76) 5th Truck Company: Charlotte, NC (8/135) 7th Truck Company: Charlottesville, VA (6/77) 4th Motor Transport Battalion: Philadelphia, PA (16/265) 5th Motor Transport Battalion: Memphis, TN (17/225) 6th Motor Transport Battalion (22/377) 2nd Motor Transport Battalion: Port Newark, NJ If anyone prefers this in the formatted PDF or Word form let me know. |
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Was this still during the West New Guinea dispute between the the Netherlands and Indonesia ore after the end of the dispute.
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Article from ARMOR magazine in 1964 on the AMX-13-75.
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Interactive map showing all operationally ready ICBM silos in the United States as of fall 1962.
https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?m...UX&usp=sharing |
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Looks like a crowded update but it's fairly simple. I've been through some online OOB resources on the Soviet and East German Armies to come up with a tentative order of battle for 1960-1962 (first two docs). Second two are CIA summaries of the composition of Soviet tank and heavy tank divisions.
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