new type of tank for your game

[cawest]

i could see some of these being pulled out towards the end of the war or moved to places like Africa. the rules would be crazy for this. you would have to have a horror rating for when this thing or its like fires.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ps2F0x8oD2Q

[Raellus]

Good find. How many would still be around and close to operational by the mid-1990s, though? The M67A1 "Zippo" was retired in 1974.

On a related note, Soviet Naval Infantry fielded the TO-55 flame tank until at least the mid-to-late 1980s.

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[Vespers War]

Originally Posted by Raellus

Good find. How many would still be around and close to operational by the mid-1990s, though? The M67A1 "Zippo" was retired in 1974.

On a related note, Soviet Naval Infantry fielded the TO-55 flame tank until at least the mid-to-late 1980s.

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I know flame weapons were officially phased out of active service in 1978, but what happened to the M132 Armored Flamethrowers (modified M113s) after that?

For the TO-55, the flamethrower replaced the coaxial machine gun, and was capable of 12 blasts of flame (limited by both fuel capacity and the number of pyrotechnic charges carried), each using ~36 liters of fuel and projecting up to 200 meters, with a maximum rate of fire of 8 shots per minute. The ammunition load for the main gun was reduced to 25 shells and the hull machine gun had 750 rounds.

[pmulcahy11b]

Originally Posted by Vespers War

I know flame weapons were officially phased out of active service in 1978, but what happened to the M132 Armored Flamethrowers (modified M113s) after that?

I don't know about the M67s, but the M132s were converted back to conventional 113s. My guess would be that the M67s were trashed, set out as range targets, or converted back to M60s, but that's only a guess based upon how other obsolete/special use vehicles were treated. The M132s -- I know for sure what happened to them.)

[pmulcahy11b]

Originally Posted by Vespers War

I know flame weapons were officially phased out of active service in 1978, but what happened to the M132 Armored Flamethrowers (modified M113s) after that?

My guess is that both the M67 and the M132 would still be in service in small numbers (some that were never converted back, and a few new-modification vehicles) in the T2K timeline.

[cawest]

Originally Posted by pmulcahy11b

I don't know about the M67s, but the M132s were converted back to conventional 113s. My guess would be that the M67s were trashed, set out as range targets, or converted back to M60s, but that's only a guess based upon how other obsolete/special use vehicles were treated. The M132s -- I know for sure what happened to them.)

well, the video said that the turrets were the mostly the same besides the modified gun and mantel (?) and missing some of the internals. bet that they would use as gate guards or put in storage.

[Olefin]

there are at least two surviving M67's

One was on display at the US Army Ordnance Museum at the Aberdeen Proving Grounds, Maryland before it was been relocated to Fort Benning, Georgia. Another can be found outside the Engineering School, Fort Leonard Wood, Missouri.

Not sure how many total were left and if any could have been made operational

[Ursus Maior]

Originally Posted by pmulcahy11b

My guess would be that the M67s were trashed, set out as range targets, or converted back to M60s, [...].

That would be quite a feat, the M67 was built from the M48.

The earlier M67s were converted from M48A1 and A2 hulls and given their own turrets. But the later M67A2s were converted from M48A3s, which already had the diesel engine. The turrets would hardly be used, they were internally different and lacked the range-finder optics a tank requires.

I think any variant of M67 Zippo would be a good addition to a raiding force on the post-apocalyptic battlefields. But the M48 has one distinct problem: The older gasoline engines had terrible operational ranges of just 110-120 km, though fuel drums could extend that to almost double. Though, would you want an unarmored fuel drum sitting on your flamethrower?

The diesel versions had far better ranges (around 450 km for A3 models and close to 500 km for A5 models) and could use other fuel types as well. So, a early model Zippo might just stay a Zippo and do guard duty at an important site. On the other hand, later model Zippos might get rebuilt into main battle tanks again. All you need, basically, is a working turret and slap it on, preferably nothing too fancy, or you also need to do some re-wiring.

[Olefin]

Originally Posted by Ursus Maior

That would be quite a feat, the M67 was built from the M48.

The earlier M67s were converted from M48A1 and A2 hulls and given their own turrets. But the later M67A2s were converted from M48A3s, which already had the diesel engine. The turrets would hardly be used, they were internally different and lacked the range-finder optics a tank requires.

I think any variant of M67 Zippo would be a good addition to a raiding force on the post-apocalyptic battlefields. But the M48 has one distinct problem: The older gasoline engines had terrible operational ranges of just 110-120 km, though fuel drums could extend that to almost double. Though, would you want an unarmored fuel drum sitting on your flamethrower?

The diesel versions had far better ranges (around 450 km for A3 models and close to 500 km for A5 models) and could use other fuel types as well. So, a early model Zippo might just stay a Zippo and do guard duty at an important site. On the other hand, later model Zippos might get rebuilt into main battle tanks again. All you need, basically, is a working turret and slap it on, preferably nothing too fancy, or you also need to do some re-wiring.

A Zippo on guard duty would be one hell of an incentive to NOT mess with whatever it was guarding. You have to be one hell of a dedicated raider to want to mess with one.

[cawest]

Originally Posted by Olefin

A Zippo on guard duty would be one hell of an incentive to NOT mess with whatever it was guarding. You have to be one hell of a dedicated raider to want to mess with one.

does it give you ideas?

[Ursus Maior]

It does. It certainly does.