UK home Units (part 1)

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UK Home Forces (alternate)

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In my campaign the UK Land Forces Command is different from that presented in "Survival Guide to the UK" because I didn't like it. It didn't even attempt to account for forces that according to the BAOR OOB would have been still in Britain. Anyway, some may not agree with it but this is my alternate OOB for the UK.

UK Defence Command:

Royal Navy:
- The Comacchio Group (North Sea Oil Platforms, 500 Royal Marines)
- Patrol Craft HMS Peacock, HMS Tyne, HMS Mersey, HMS Severn
- HMS Ranger and Pursuer (these are training patrol ships manned by university students)
- HMS Atherstone, HMS Cattistock (minehunters, helping patrol the North Sea platforms and escorting any supply ships)

Land Command (Formerly Wilton, Wiltshire, England: This headquarters found itself cut off but the deputy commander, Lieutenant-General Sir Bruce Curry, managed to link up with units of the support staff and then with the 6th Btn REME. Now HQ is located in Bordon, Hampshire, England)
- 6th Battalion, REME (Bordon, Hampshire, England) (200 troops)
- 1/The Royal Gloucesteshire, Berkshire, and Wiltshire Regiment (500 troops on various duties in Hampshire)
- 40th Royal Artillery Regiment (300 troops, 4 155mm SPH)

4th Division (HQ at Aldershot destroyed. 4th Infantry Division has come under the command of Major-General Sir Peter Hunt)
- 94th Signal Squadron (Volunteers) (Portsmouth)
- 383rd Commando Petroleum Group (500) (Portsmouth)

- 49th Infantry Brigade (Isle of Wight)
- East of England Regiment (700 )
- Royal Yeomanry (500, 10 Scimitars)

- 145th (Home Counties) Brigade
- The Royal Rifle Volunteers (TA Inf Bn) (Reading, Berkshire, England) (400)
- Household Cavalry Regiment (Armd Recon) (Windsor, Berkshire, England) (350, Cavalgry)
- 1st Battalion, Grenadier Guards (Public Duties (Lt Inf)) (Windsor, Berkshire, England) (450)
- The Nijmegen Company, Grenadier Guards (Cer) (Windsor, Berkshire, England) (50)
- Royal Wessex Yeomanry (Lt Recon) (West Sussex) (500 troops, 14 Scimitars)


HQ Northern Ireland (HQNI) (Lisburn, Northern Ireland)
152nd Ambulance Regiment, RLC (Volunteer) (Belfast, Northern Ireland)
40th Signals Regiment (Belfast, Northern Ireland)
25th Engineer Regiment (Antrim, Northern Ireland) (300)
15th Signal Regiment (Lisburn, Northern Ireland
2nd Regiment, RMP (Lisburn, Northern Ireland) (600)

- 3rd Infantry Brigade (Portadown, Northern Ireland)
3rd Battalion (Home Service), Royal Irish Regiment (Lt Inf) (Armagh, Northern Ireland) (700)

- 8th Infantry Brigade (Ballykelly, Northern Ireland)
2nd Battalion, The Royal Anglian Regiment (Lt Inf) (Ballykelly, Northern Ireland) (500)
1st Battalion, The King's Own Scottish Borderers (Lt Inf) (Omagh, Northern Ireland) (450)
4th Battalion (Home Service), Royal Irish Regiment (Lt Inf) (Omagh, Northern Ireland) (350)

39th Infantry Brigade (Lisburn, Northern Ireland)
2nd Battalion, The Royal Regiment of Fusiliers (Lt Inf) (Belfast, Northern Ireland) (500)
2nd Battalion (Home Service), Royal Irish Regiment (Lt Inf) (Holywood, Northern Ireland) (350)

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antimedic

Anything on the RAF?

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Nice work. Its kind of weird seeing some of the NI units mentioned like this - especially 40 Sigs and 152 Field Ambulance - both of these are TA units near where I live, and in my cadet days I worked with both units. Also my wife is a former member of 40 Sigs.
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weston617

Might be nice to cover the RAF Regiment, especially as in the Twilight 2000 timeline it is likely we'd still have armoured squadrons with Scorpions, Scimitars, and the like. And some bloody air defence systems.

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If you want the RAF and RAF Regiment Twilight War histories check this out.

http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~d...dmin/Index6.htm
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Here is my take on forces in the UK...

UNITED KINGDOM LAND FORCES (UKLF)
Combat Strength: 10,900 (+ Unknown strength of UDF)

UKLF Combat Support Elements (1800 Combat Manpower)

UKLF Army Headquarters

Strength: 300 Manpower

32nd (Guards) Infantry Brigade

Strength: Disbanded. Only small (50) brigade headquarters remains as an alternate UKLF command post.

Household Cavalry Mounted Regiment

Other Deployments: Windsor, Aldershot, and Winchester (Attached to 24th Brigade)
Strength: 100 Manpower (Light Horse)
(Can reform into 32nd Guards Infantry Brigade)

The Blues And Royals (R) (Minus D Sqn to The Waterloo Brigade in Canada)

Other Deployments: Windsor, Aldershot, and Winchester (Attached to 24th Brigade)
Strength: 50 Manpower
Armor: 2 Scorpion, 2 Fox, 4 Ferret
(Can reform into 32nd Guards Infantry Brigade)

Cheshire Regiment (Minus D Coy to the Waterloo Brigade in Canada)

Other Deployments: Windsor, Aldershot, and Winchester (Attached to 24th Brigade)
Strength: 150 Manpower (Mechanized)
(Can reform into 32nd Guards Infantry Brigade)

1/Scots Guards Regiment (Minus D Coy to AFNORTH)

Other Deployments: Windsor, Aldershot, and Winchester (Attached to 24th Brigade)
Strength: 150 Manpower
(Can reform into 32nd Guards Infantry Brigade)

2/Grenadier Guards Regiment (A Coy only)

Strength: 50 Manpower (Wheeled APC)
(Can reform into 32nd Guards Infantry Brigade)

King’s Troop Royal Horse Artillery

Other Deployments: Windsor, Aldershot, and Winchester (Attached to 24th Brigade)
Strength: 50 Manpower
Notable Support: 4 120 mm Mortar, 2 D-30 122 mm (limited use)
(Can reform into 32nd Guards Infantry Brigade)

Queen’s Color Squadron, RAF Regiment

Other Deployments: Windsor, Aldershot, and Winchester (Attached to 24th Brigade)
Strength: 50 Manpower
Armor: 2 Scimitar
Notable Support: 1 Bofors 40 mm L70, 2 ZU-23-2, 1 Rheinmetal 20 mm, Light air defense

227th Provost Company

Other Deployments: Windsor, Aldershot, and Winchester (Attached to 24th Brigade)
Strength: 100 Manpower (Light Motorized)

Commachio Group, Royal Marines (High Level Security)
Locations: Nuclear sub base (Scotland), Nuclear power plant (England), North Sea oil platforms
Strength: 125 Manpower
Notable Support: Rigid Raiders, high priority for RAF and AAC helicopters and RN patrol boats

1st Special Service Brigade (SAS)
(Dispersed throughout most British Army deployments)
Strength: 300? Manpower
Notable Support: High priority for most aircraft.

No. 34 Sqn, RAF Regiment (Rapier)
Locations: Dispersed throughout 4 active RAF bases in southern England
Strength: 100 Manpower
Notable Support: 8 Rapier, 3 ZU-23-2, 2 Bofors 40 mm L70, 2 S-60 57 mm, 1 ZSU-23-4 (immobile)

No. 2625 Sqn, RAF Regiment (Field)
Locations: Dispersed throughout 4 active RAF bases in southern England
Strength: 100 Manpower
Notable Support: Light air defense

Royal Navy Shore Party No.2 (Combat Security Company)

Strength: 250 Manpower

A/101st Engineer Regiment (Volunteer) (Explosive Ordnance Disposal)

Strength: 25 Manpower

Foreign Personnel (Not counted in UKLF strength)

American Legion (USA)

Strength: 250 Manpower

Contingent of German, Dutch and Free-Polish troops

Strength: Unknown/varies.

Strategic Reserve (2500 Combat Manpower)

No Headquarters - Subordinate to UKLF Command directly

The Royal Wessex Yeomanry (R)

Strength: 200 Manpower (Light Horse and Light Motorized)
Armor: 4 Ferret, 2 Fox, 2 BRDM-2
Notable Support: Light Motorized, Horses

24th Infantry (Air Portable) Brigade
Locations: Winchester, Aldershot, Windsor
Other Deployments: Rotation platoon to UDF
Strength: 550 Manpower
Armor: 4 Scimitar, 2 Fox, 2 Scorpion
Notable Support: 2 105mm L118 Towed, Light air defense
Command And Support Elements
The Gloucestershire, Berkshire and Wiltshire Regiment
2/The Light Infantry
The Royal Regiment Of Wales
The Queen's Own Yeomanry (R)
26th Field Regiment, Royal Artillery (L118 Towed)

1st Royal Marine Commando Brigade

Other Deployments: North Sea oil platforms, Royal Navy vessels at sea, Rotation platoon to UDF
Strength: 500 Manpower
Notable Support Light air defense, 2 105mm L118 Towed, watercraft (incl. rigid raiders)
Command And Support Elements (Incl. 4th Assault Squadron)
40th Commando Regiment
45th Commando Regiment
Special Boat Service Squadron
59th Independent Commando Squadron, Royal Engineers
29th Commando Regiment, Royal Artillery (L118 Towed)
(J Coy and Artic/Mountain Warfare Cadre - Norway)
(42nd Commando - Middle East)

1st Airborne Brigade (The Parachute Regiment)

Other Deployments: North Sea oil Platforms, Nuclear power plant (England), Rotation platoon to UDF
Strength: 700 Manpower
Notable Support: 2 105 mm L118 Towed, Light air defense
Command And Support Elements
1/The Parachute Regiment
2/The Parachute Regiment
Brigade Pathfinder Platoon
131st Independent Parachute Squadron, Royal Engineers
7th Parachute Regiment, Royal Horse Artillery (L118 Towed)
(3/Para - Middle East)

5th Army Air Corps Regiment

Strength: 250 Manpower
Aircraft: 2 Gazelle, 4 Lynx, 1 Sea King, 2 ex-police helicopters, 1 ex-air ambulance

23rd Royal Engineer Regiment

Strength: 300 Manpower
Notable Support: 4 FV-180, 1 Challenger ARRV, 1 Centurion AVRE

East District Command (2400 Combat Manpower)

No Headquarters - Subordinate to 2nd Armored Division Command directly

The Queen's Own Mercian Yeomanry (R)
(Dispersed throughout 2nd Division's AofO)
Strength: 200 Manpower
Armor: 1 Fox, 1 Scimitar, 1 BRDM-2, 1 Ferret
Notable Support: Light Motorized, Horses

2nd Armored Division
(Small elements deployed with 5th Division along West District border area)
Strength: 2200 Manpower
Armor: 11 Chieftain, 5 Challenger, 1 Vickers Valiant, 1 T-72, Armd recce,
Notable Support: Artillery, Air defense, Engineer support vehicles, APCs,
Notes: Exchanged many soft-skinned transport vehicles for APCs with 5th Mechanized Division.
Command And Support Elements
The Royal Hussars (R)
35th Royal Engineer Regiment
111th Provost Company

15th Armored Brigade (Organized into 3 battlegroups)

Command And Support Elements
2/Royal Regiment of Fusiliers
3/Royal Welsh Fusiliers
15th/19th King's Royal Hussars (A)
3rd Regiment, Royal Horse Artillery (M109A2)

24th Armored Brigade (Organized into 3 battlegroups)

Command And Support Elements
1/The Green Howards
The King's Own Border Regiment
4/The Royal Tank Regiment (A)
19th Field Regiment, Royal Artillery (Abbot/L118 Towed)

49th Armored Brigade (Organized into 3 battlegroups)

Command And Support Elements
1/The Royal Scots
The Royal Highland Fusiliers (Princess Margaret's Own G. And A. Regiment)
9th/12th Royal Lancers (Prince Of Wales) (A)
39th Field Regiment, Royal Artillery (M109A2)

West District Command (3000 Combat Manpower)

No Headquarters - Subordinate to 5th Mechanized Division Command directly

The Duke of Lancaster's Own Yeomanry (R)
(Dispersed throughout 5th Division's AofO)
Strength: 200 Manpower
Armor: 2 Fox, 2 Ferret
Notable Support: Horses

5th Mechanized Division
(Small attachments from 2nd Division attached for border security)
Strength: 2800 Manpower
Armor: 2 Chieftain, 4 Scorpion, 2 Fox, 8 Ferret, 1 BRDM-4, 1 Spahpanzer Luchs,
Notable Support: Artillery, Air defense, Engineer support vehicles, Light Motorized, APCs (very few)
Notes: Exchanged most remaining APCs for soft skinned transport with 2nd Armored Division.
Command And Support Elements
The Royal Dragoon Guards (R)
DAG (Divisional Artillery Group) 5th Field Regiment, Royal Artillery (Abbot/FH-70 Towed)
36th Royal Engineer Regiment
156th Provost Company

1st Infantry Brigade
Locations: Reading, Newburry, Henley-on-Thames
Command And Support Elements
1/Royal Welsh Fusiliers
3/The Royal Green Jackets
3/The Royal Scots

5th Infantry Brigade
Locations: Salisbury, Tidworth, Warminster
Command And Support Elements
2/The Queen's Regiment
3/The Royal Anglian Regiment
3/The Welsh Guards Regiment

39th Infantry Brigade
Locations: Poole, Bournemouth, Isle of Wight
Command And Support Elements
Duke Of Wellington's Regiment
Argyll And Sutherland Highlanders (Princess Louise’s)
3/The Royal Regiment Of Fusiliers

Ulster Field Force (Formerly Ulster District Command) (Strength Unknown)

Ulster Field Force Headquarters

Strength: Unknown

No.3 Squadron, RAF Regiment (Field)
(Airbase)
Strength: 100 Manpower
Armor: 4 Scorpion
Notable Support: Light air defense

4th Army Air Corps Regiment
(Airbase)
200 Manpower, 3 Gazelle, 2 Lynx, 1 ex-police helicopter,

B/101st Engineer Regiment (Volunteer) (Explosive Ordnance Disposal)
(A of O includes all of Ulster)
Strength: 25 Manpower

107 Ulster Brigade
(Center Area) (Non-detached troops are formed into 4 Combat Teams)
Strength: 600 Manpower
Notable Support: Armored Recce
Command And Support Elements
2/Royal Irish Rangers
The Worcestershire And Sherwood Foresters
The Royal Irish Regiment (Detached to 1st, 2nd, and 3rd Brigades of Ulster Defense Force)
North Irish Horse (R) (Minus 1st Sqn to Cyprus, 2nd Sqn to BSFF, 3rd Sqn to all 3 Irish UDF Bdes)
33rd Royal Engineer Regiment (C Sqn to all 3 Irish UDF Bdes, D Sqn to BSFF)
Notes: Reformed after replacement units arrived from England after most original troops were redeployed to other commands such as Cyprus, MEFF, and BSFF.

UKLF Strategic Reserve Rotation Company
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Strength: 100 Manpower (1 rotating platoon from The Paras, Royal Marines and 24th Infantry Brigade)

1st UDF Brigade

Command And Support Elements
4/Ulster Defense Regiment
7/Ulster Defense Regiment
8/Ulster Defense Regiment
A Coy/The Royal Irish Regiment
1 Troop, 3rd Sqn, North Irish Horse (R)
1st Platoon/176th Provost Company
1st Battery, 55th (Ad Hoc) Field Artillery Regiment (Captured Warsaw Pact Ordnance)

2nd UDF Brigade

Command And Support Elements
1/Ulster Defense Regiment
2/Ulster Defense Regiment
5/Ulster Defense Regiment
B Coy/The Royal Irish Regiment
2 Troop, 3rd Sqn, North Irish Horse (R)
3rd Platoon/176th Provost Company
1st Battery, 55th (Ad Hoc) Field Artillery Regiment (Captured Warsaw Pact Ordnance)

3rd UDF Brigade

Command And Support Elements
9/Ulster Defense Regiment
3/Ulster Defense Regiment
6/Ulster Defense Regiment
C Coy/The Royal Irish Regiment
3 Troop, 3rd Sqn, North Irish Horse (R)
2nd Platoon/176th Provost Company
1st Battery, 55th (Ad Hoc) Field Artillery Regiment (Captured Warsaw Pact Ordnance)

Irish Sea Security Group

D Coy/The Royal Irish Regiment (Roulement Tour)

Scotland District Command (650 Combat Manpower)

No Headquarters - Subordinate to UKLF Command directly

Scotland Security Force Brigade Group
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Strength: 600 Manpower
Armor: Armd Recce
Notable Support: 8 Rapier, 4 Oerlikon 35 mm, 2 ZU-23-4, 2 S-60 57 mm
Command And Support Elements
The Northumberland Regiment
B Company, 2/The Highland Volunteers
The Royal Yeomanry (R)
Royal Navy Shore Party No.1 (Combat Security Company)
RAF Provost/Security Company
The Loyal Scots Company (Militia)
Volunteer Squadron, 71st (Scottish) Engineer Regiment (Air Support)
No. 2625 Sqn, RAF Regiment (Field)
No. 48 Sqn, RAF Regiment (Rapier)
Security Detail from the Commachio Group (Nuclear submarine security only)

(Saxa and Benbecula has been temporarily abandoned and its personnel dispersed to other bases)
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Good stuff, Deacon and Fusilier,
Do you guys have anything on MEFF or the 6th Infantry Division.
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That's a much bigger one than mine, but I'm also still working on mine. I am still working on the RAF but I have come up with what the 6th Infantry Division consists of:
HQ: 100 staff officers and other personnel
36th Royal Field Artillery (50, 1 155mm SPH)
Ghurka Rifle Brigade
- Duke of Edinburgh's Own Ghurka Rifles (300)
- Prince of Wales' Own Ghurka Rifles (400)
- Ghurka Field Engineer Regiment (250, 4 CEVs)

27th Infantry Brigade
- The Cheshire Regiment (250)
- Duke of Cornwall's Own Light Infantry (250)

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And here's mine...

Middle East Field Force (MEFF) (2400 Combat Manpower)

Field Force Command and Support
Headquarters: Al Manamah, Bahrain
Strength: 210 Manpower

No. 15 Sqn, RAF Regiment (Rapier)

Strength: 50 Manpower
Notable Support: 4 Rapier, 1 Oerlikon 35 mm, 1 S-60 57 mm

No. 2503 Sqn, RAF Regiment (Field)

Strength: 100 Manpower
Notable Support: Light air defense

7th Army Air Corps Regiment

Other Deployments: Elements often located in Al Manamah, Bahrain for servicing
Strength: 300 Manpower
Aircraft: 4 Gazelle, 3 Lynx, 1 Alouette IIC
Notes: Shares ground crew support and supplies with RAF Puma squadron.

1st Platoon, 116th Provost Company

Strength: 40 Manpower (Light Motorized)
Armor: 1 BRDM-2, 1 Ferret

27th Armored Brigade (Forces mostly from Cyprus/N. Ireland)

Strength: 1000 Manpower
Armor: 4 Challenger, 1 Chieftain, 1 T72, Armd recce
Notable Support: Artillery, Light air defense, Engineer support vehicles, APCs
Command And Support Elements
The Life Guards (A) (Minus D Sqn to Waterloo Brigade, Canada)
The Queen's Own Worcestershire Hussars (R)
1/The Royal Regiment of Fusiliers
1/The King's Own Scottish Borderers
2/The Black Watch
23rd Field Regiment, Royal Artillery (M109A2/FH-70 Towed)
1st Field Squadron, 26th Royal Engineer Regiment

25th Infantry (Air Portable) Brigade
Locations: Bahrain, Saudi Arabia, Oman.
Strength: 800 Manpower
Notable Support: Light air defense, watercraft (incl. rigid raiders)
Notes: Supports the staffing at Allied Parachute School – Saudi Arabia
Command And Support Elements
42nd Commando Regiment (With attached SBS Troops and 539th Aslt Sqn) (Bahrain)
3/The Parachute Regiment (Northeast Saudi Arabia)
25th Gurkha Mountain Infantry Regiment (Former remnants of Gurkha Brigade) (South Oman)

1/2nd King Edward VII's Own Gurkha Rifles (Reforming)

Strength: 50 Manpower (Increasing).





South China Sea Field Force (2000 Combat Manpower - Numerous Foreigners)

Field Force Command and Support
Headquarters: Kowloon (Hong Kong)
Strength: 50 Manpower (HQ)

1/10th Princess Mary's Own Gurkha Rifles (Minus D Coy)

Strength: 250 Manpower
Armor: 4 Scorpion

6th Infantry Division
(Hong Kong)
Strength: 1600 Manpower
Armor: 1 T-55, 1 T-64, 2 Scorpion, 2 Scimitar
Notable Support: Artillery, Light air defense, watercraft (incl. rigid raiders)
Command And Support Elements
The Queen's Gurkha Engineers Regiment
1st Squadron, The Queen's Royal Lancers (R)
1st Royal Marine Commando Raiding Squadron (-)
100th Field Regiment, Royal Artillery (L118 Towed, 122 mm Towed)

14th Infantry Brigade: Kowloon (Hong Kong - Victoria)
1/The Royal Gurkha Rifles
3/The Royal Gurkha Rifles
The Royal Hong Kong Regiment

15th Infantry Brigade: Kowloon (Hong Kong - Kowloon)
2/The Royal Gurkha Rifles
1/7th Duke of Edinburgh's Own Gurkha Rifles
The Kowloon Volunteer Rifle Regiment (Cantonese, Chinese, Malayan, ect.)
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And yet another take!

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I hope no one minds if I throw my hat in to the ring on this one with my take of how UKLF might look in the Summer of 2000.

Like Deacon, I dislike the way that was was presented in the UK Survivor's Guide, so I've been tinkering with a revised version for years now and it's still very much a work in progress.

The first part that I'll post is my revised OOB for the UKLF (not including Northern Ireland). It does not include any RAF or RN units - those are something that I do plan to add in. Nor does it include any units loyal to the Scottish or Welsh Separatist Governments, or any support units such as teh REME, R Signals, etc.

Some of the Unit titles contradict information given in the UK Survivors Guide or the NATO vehicles Guide. I do have reasons for that, for example using the Gordon Highlanders was for sentimental reasons; the other reason was primarily so that I didn't have multiple Battalions of the same Regiment in the same formation. Also, please note that any work that I have done on the UK, I have always had the Provisional Capital to be Oxford not Portsmouth (that's because when I sarted this work, I didn't have a copy of the UKSG, although I do now thanks to Drive Thru RPG!)

As a final note, all Infantry Battalion titles are based on the mid 80's Order of Battle, prior to Options for Change in the 1990's which saw a number of amalgamtions. This is consistent with the titles used by GDW in canon publications.

So, here goes:

United Kingdom Land Forces, 01 August 2000

2nd Battalion, The Parachute Regiment
Effective strength - 250 men
Subordination: UKLF HQ
Location - Kidlington, Oxfordshire.

Repatriated to UK by air on 19 December 1998 to assist in the maintenance of law and order. Now serving as the UKLF HQ Rapid Reaction Force, with limited airlift capability supplied by the RAF.

Zulu Squadron, 22nd SAS Regiment
Effective strength: 33 men
Subordination: UKLF HQ


Formed from various Special Forces personnel based in the UK. Serving as UKLF Special Purpose Force, with limited airlift capability supplied by the RAF. Strength includes two US Navy Seals and one German KSK commando.

1st Infantry Brigade
Effective strength - 1600 men, 1 x T72 tank, 1 x Leopard 1 tank, 7 x Fox CVR(W)
Subordination: UKLF HQ
Location - Catterick Garrison, South Shields, Newcastle upon Tyne
1st Battalion, The Gordon Highlanders
3rd Battalion, The Royal Regiment of Fusiliers
1st Battalion, Princess Patricia’s Canadian Light Infantry
The Queen’s Own Mercian Yeomanry

Augmented by a Battalion of Canadian infantry, 1st Brigade deployed to Norway in December 1996 as UK contribution to Allied Mobile Force (North). Fought with distinction in Norway, before returning to the UK in May 1999.

Following a landing at South Shields, Brigade HQ and 1/Gordons moved in to Catterick Garrison, taking under command the Territorial Army units based there, the Queens Own Mercian Yeomanry and 5/Queens, the latter being disbanded and its personnel used to augment the three regular battalions. 1st Brigade has also been augmented by a number of foreign troops (and vehicles) who repatriated from Norway with it.

24th Infantry Brigade
Location - Warminster, Wiltshire
Subordination: UKLF HQ
Effective strength - 1400 men, 3 x FV510 Warrior IFV, 2 x FV107 Scorpion CVR(T), 6 x AT105 Saxon, 5 x Fox CVR(W)
2nd Battalion, The Royal Green Jackets
1st Battalion, the Wessex Regiment
North Irish Horse (TA)

2/RGJ was the resident Battalion at the School of Infantry, Warminster, prior to the nuclear strikes. Following the strikes, the Battalion, augmented by recruits undergoing basic infantry training, carried out a series of disaster relief missions throughout the Wiltshire and Gloucestershire areas. In early 1998 the Battalion was reinforced by the North Irish Horse and 1/Wessex, and underwent further augmentation, absorbing the personnel of 6th Battalion, The Light Infantry (TA).

The Household Brigade
Location - Oxford, Oxfordshire
Subordination: UKLF HQ
Effective Strength - 900 men, 1 x Chieftain, 1 x M60A1, 1 x Sherman, 1 x Tiger Tank, 3 x Scimitar CVR(T)
The Household Cavalry Mounted Regiment
The Life Guards
1st Battalion, The Irish Guards
2nd Battalion, The Queen’s Regiment (Less C Company)

Based at the provisional UK Capital, Oxford, the Household Brigade is currently serving as the primary security force for Her Majesty’s Government as well as its traditional role as the Sovereign’s bodyguard. The Scimitars are operated by the HCMR, which also has a 100 strong mounted troop; the heavy tanks, which came from the Tank Museum at Bovington, Dorset, are operated by the Life Guards.

43rd (Wessex) Brigade (TA)
Effective strength: 800 men, 3 x Fox CVR(W), 2 x Ferret CVR(W)
Subordination: UKLF HQ

The Royal Wessex Yeomanry
2nd Battalion, The Mercian Volunteers

43rd Brigade has maintained law and order in its area of operations throughout the War. Is in regular contact with 24th Brigade at Warminster.

143rd Infantry Brigade (TA)
Effective strength: 1100 men
Subordination: UKLF HQ
/ Welsh border
5th Battalion, The Light Infantry
7th Battalion, The Light Infantry

Involved in sporadic combat with forces loyal to Welsh Separatist Government. Has been augmented by Welsh deserters loyal to HMG

4th Battalion, The King’s Own Royal Border Regiment (TA)
Effective Strength - 600 men
Subordination: ULKF HQ
Location - Carlisle

Survived nuclear exchanges relatively intact. Still loyal to HMG, though relatively isolated from other commands, the Battalion is actively conducting motorised patrols in the Battalion Area of Operations, using Land Rovers and requisitioned civilian 4 x 4’s . These patrols have made occasional peaceful contact with Scottish Defence Force patrols. Has carried out considerable post strike recruitment, and is relatively close to pre War strength

6th / 7th Battalion, The Queen’s Regiment (TA)
Effective strength - 350 men
Subordination: none
Location - Brighton

Following the nuclear strikes, 6th/7th Queens were involved in disaster relief in local area. Have consolidated in Brighton, and are heavily fortified. Nominally loyal to HMG, in practice quasi independent. Rarely patrol outside immediate area. Reports that refugees have been turned back by gunfire. Absorbed many survivors of 56th Brigade (London). One unlawful breakaway group (approx Company size) has taken over Crawley area, scavenging Gatwick Airport.

3rd Battalion, The Worcestershire and Sherwood Foresters (TA)
Effective strength - 150 men
Subordination: none
Location - Mansfield

Suffered significant casualties in the nuclear attacks. Post strike, Battalion consolidated around A Company in Mansfield. Still loyal to HMG but unwilling to move out of local area. Effectively serving as a militia force for that location. Seriously under strength. Resources limited.

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This post lists some other armed groups that I'd worked on, some lawful, some not:

Irregular TA Battalions

Swindon Militia (formerly 2nd Battalion, Wessex Regiment)

Subordination
None; lawful

Organisation
Strength 1250 effectives
HQ Company, 30 men
A Company, 200 men
B Company, 200 men
C (Reserve) Company, 300 men
D (Reserve) Company, 450 men
Quick Reaction Force, 70 men

Location
Swindon, Wiltshire

Vehicles
Land Rovers, Bedford trucks, requisitioned civilian vehicles, 4 x FV721’s, 7 x AT105’s (all FV721’s assigned to QRF)

Weapons
Standard British small arms. A and B Companies and QRF are formed from the original Battalion, and are fully equipped. Reserve Companies are formed from the local population and have very limited number of small arms, mostly Sterlings, L1A1 battle rifles, small number of MP5 submachine guns (ex Police issue)


4th Battalion, Queen’s Lancashire Regiment

Subordination:
None; unlawful

Organisation
Strength approx 200 effectives
HQ Company plus two (consolidated) rifle companies (A, B)

Location
Darlington

Vehicles
Land Rovers, Bedford trucks, small number of FV603 Saracens. Limited fuel supplies

Weapons
Standard British small arms (Sterling, L85, L86), limited number of L7A2 GPMG’s


History
Intact and a cohesive military unit, the 4th QLR is no longer accepting orders from higher headquarters. The Battalion CO has declared himself ruler of the Battalion Area of Responsibility, with his own interpretations of the martial law proclamations of 1997/98. Law is enforced draconically, with capital punishment (generally by hanging owing to the shortage of ammunition) mandated for a number of crimes which were either minor offences or not an offence at all under the original proclamations. Bodies of those executed are frequently left hanging in their communities for several days as a warning to others.


5th / 8th Battalion, The King’s Regiment

5th/8th Kings involved in disaster relief missions in Liverpool / Manchester area. Companies now broken down into smaller lawful and unlawful groups in this area. No longer accepting orders from HMG. Small groups (no more than five - six soldiers per group) have been absorbed by Catterick Garrison.


3rd Battalion, The Yorkshire Volunteers

3rd Yorks were deployed in and around York following first strikes, and spent some time as HMG security force until relieved by 1st Irish Guards. Following second waves of strikes unit cohesion disintegrated. Approx 200 personnel now serving as the core of the Free City of Harrogate security forces, accepting orders from their own officers only. Numerous small lawful and unlawful groups can be found throughout the area.


Konev’s Wolves

Subordination:
None; Unlawful

Organisation:
Strength approx 45 effectives
No formal structure

Locations
South West England (no fixed location)

Vehicles
Land Rovers, Civilian SUV’s, 1 x FV721 Fox (very limited fuel)

Weapons
Standard British small arms (Sterling, L85, L1A1). One L7A2 GPMG. Limited ammunition.

History
Survivors of a group of Soviet POW’s who escaped from their prison camp in Devon. Before the strikes the Camp held prisoners classified as Category A, meaning that all were ardent Communists. Most were either Spetznaz, Airborne captured in Norway, plus some KGB and Political Officers.

In the confusion following the nuclear exchanges, the prisoners overpowered their guards killing them and taking their weapons.. Following their escape, the POW’s, then numbering approx 100, took advantage of the anarchy going on all around to take over a small town near the camp and go on an orgy of rape, looting, and murder. Elements of the Wessex Regiment (TA) were sent to retake the town, but seriously underestimated both the strength and skills of the Soviets. The Wessex’s attack was repulsed, and they suffered heavy casualties.

HMG then sent a regular unit from the UKLF Reserve, 2nd Battalion, The Royal Green Jackets, against the Soviets. The Green Jackets attacked in Battalion strength, supported by their FV510 Warriors, and were able to drive the Soviets from the town after a thirty six hour battle.

Following their defeat, the Soviet survivors took to the countryside. Some split into small groups, most of which have been caught or dispersed, but one large group stayed together under the command of Major Nikolai B Konev, a former Political Officer in the 76th Guards Air Assault. His Deputy is Captain Vladimir I Bondarkeno, formerly of the Spetznaz. They now call themselves Konev’s Wolves, and are well equipped with equipment taken from the Wessex Regiment (although their supplies of fuel and ammunition are limited).

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Very interesting. Both of you have really good OOBs. I like yours in some ways better than mine fusilier but I liked mine because it used units that would in my opinion have given the game's orbats been still in the UK. I take it you agree with the idea that some units would be withdrawn from Germany?

RainbowSix did you actually use this militia unit in your game? It has an interesting back history regardless and I would probably find it useful if my players return to the UK at some point.

My scenario as most can see is a lot bleaker looking perhaps, but I had decided that the number of warlords and marauders was a lot smaller than simply local 'bosses' who had managed to control what food or resources there was.

For instance, let us say that Colchester in Essex has a boss, a former industrialist named Gerald Howgarth, who had a stranglehold on local businesses and workers. Because he stockpiled goods and had some measure of control over local industry and resources, he has become the local strongman. While there may be some semblence of normal government the town council and other government entities exist upon his sufferance. Those who do not work (save for those who legitimately are injured or sick, pregnant, etc) are exiled, a fate equivalent to death. He has managed to set up trade with a few local villages and towns, and established 'protection' over villages closest to him. A militia made up of local constabulary, security people and local toughs consists of about five hundred, organized into companies under his brother in law, Thomas Swindon, who was a captain in the Territorial Army. They have an assortment of civilian landrovers and other civilian vehicles, roughly twenty five fully functioning in total, and a full measure of British small arms as well as hunting weapons. There are also one hundred mounted militia. If Howgarth were to meet up with official British forces or government persons he would be friendly but would not tolerate anyone bossing him around short of the entire region suddenly being full of British forces. (or other, for that matter) He is not above trading with foreigners but will be wary of such persons as Soviets or the French.

I think varying degrees of Howgarth would be common. They would exist regardless of national parties or marauders, having assumed their position largely from necessity and the hesitancy of more civilized people in their regions.

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Both of yours are very good and I intend on saving it for future references. I originally created mine when a long time ago, slowly building on it and having originally stuck to the book (the Survivor's Guide). For example yes, I include 2 Divisions from Germany having taken up their mentioned locations in Southern England. I also used a bit of material from the 2300AD link about the Twilight War I posted above.

I never really had too much against the Survivor's Guide, and would love to hear both of your opinions on why you do, and choose to change it.
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Yours still works, it's just that clearly other units were 'holding the fort' as it were until the units from II Corps arrived. I preferred to have my OOB reflect that.

Furthermore, I did not really like the way the theoretical government or its aims were set up, I felt that the book left a lot of work for the gm to do. I would have liked some adventure suggestions or at least more clear goals for those the players might end up working for or with.

I have a list of derelict RN craft somewhere, ships that lack fuel or are under repairs, and I would as well suggest having a Royal Marine and Navy complement holding onto the city of Devonport and the town of Poole.

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Deacon, in response to your question as to whether or not I used any of these units in my game, I'm afraid that by the time that I started writing up that orbat (mid 2002), my gaming group had long since disbanded; my main reason for working on it at that point was more as a theoretical excercise rather than any expectation of ever using any of it in a game. My aim, therefore, was to try and write it in more a source book style, creating various scenarios that could be turned in to full fledged adventures, e.g. dealing with Konev's Wolves, the QLR CO, persuading the local Government of Swindon to reintegrate with HMG, etc.

Somewhere on my parents' computer there's more, including an assesment of the Royal Navy, and the state of the Military in the rest of the United Kingdom.

I have tried to err a little on the bleak side myself, creating several areas that are firmly under Military control, for example Oxfordshire, the area around Catterick camp, and the North East, but I also hope that I've left large swathes of the country which are much less organised - the industrial heartlands of the North West, for example.

I must say, though, that looking over what both you and the Fusilier have posted has exposed some gaps in my orbat which I need to revisit, in particular East Anglia, which I'd neglected. It's interesting that you make mention of Colchester in your example - Colchester is where the UK Military prison is located, so when the bombs fell, there could well be lots of unpleasant individuals who manage to make their escape and terrorise that area until they were dealt with.

And I do like your Hogwarth example...

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Fusilier, there's no one big thing that I dislike about the UKSG...it's more like lots of little things...

Firstly, I don't like the way that any of the canon material deals with the British Army, specifically the fact that both the Nato Vehicle Guide and the UKSG more or less completely ignore the Territorial Army. The timeline on Page 7 of the Survivor's Guide states "Territorial Army units were raised and many were shipped over to Germany in accordance with well established plans' and yet there's no mention of these Units anywhere. My understanding based on my research is that 15th and 49th TA Brigades would have joined one regular Brigade to form 2nd Division, but in canon the 2nd Division consists entirely of regular troops.

Then there was the question of the remaining TA units. Again, I was disappointed that GDW had treated them with a fairly broad stroke of the brush - again, from page 9 of the UKSG - "In Leicester, the local council declared the City independent and ordered the City's Territorial infantry Battalion to halt the flood of refugees...". I just found this to very...vague...if many TA units were shipped to Germany, then where were all these TA Battalions that were suddenly enforcing martial law on the whim of a local council?

I should enlarge on that by saying that on the whole local councils have very little real authority in the UK, except in such matters as parking fines and enforcing littering. The idea that a TA Battalion would enforce martial law because the Council said so was slightly implausible to me. Notwithstanding the fact that most towns are lucky to have a Company of TA, even before the cutbacks of the mid 1990's. And that Company would often be Transport, Medical, or some other non combat role - not Infantry as stated.

Also, I found the whole idea of the 'Royal Army of Scotland' to be totally implausible. At least the name. As a Scot, living in Scotland, that one was just totally off the mark to me.

I realise that I may sound pedantic in this post, and my intention is not to criticise the original writers - I merely think that there is a wealth of knowledge that is available now through such sources as the internet that simply wasn't available when the UKSG was written...So, purely as a project, I decided to have a look at the Orbat and attempt to 'revise' it...

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I also didn't like the way that the territorial army was almost entirely ignored. While I am aware that the internet was not as effective a research tool as it is now, I find that a flimsy excuse. You can easily find at the very least lists of names in almost any large library, but you'd have to actually do a bit of research.

Yes, I haven't really covered Scotland yet, but the way I would do it would be to have perhaps a couple of areas where more fanatical or desperate members of the SNP would have taken charge, others where the British Army units of the 2nd Infantry Division would have, and still others where as before there would be local bosses running things. I think that while the idea of pretenders to the crown and peers of the realm running around with warlord bands sounds interesting, it doesn't really sound very likely to me.

I would also add a lot more members of the House of Peers than they have listed; I don't think the writers were aware that judges for instance would be members, and also that there would probably be a number of Life Peers around as well.

In my game enough government survived to form a sort of emergency government but the necessity of re-organizing would remain, so rather than direct rule by the military until an election could be held I felt that instead there would be an interim government. Part of my reasoning for this is that I always try to err on the side of "what interesting things will there be for my players to do?" in this particular case doing a census a la "Armies of the Night" is definitely one. So I would suggest that there might be a number of higher officials who would have been rushed to a shelter immediately following announcement of a possible strike. There would be contingencies set up which in some cases would work. In my campaign there are a couple of junior ministers who were in other parts of the country or in Europe, MPs who were visiting constituencies, magistrates, bureaucrats, officials of various sorts as well as such local officials as Chief Constables and the like that a semblence of government would have been formed.

The senior minister of state, I decided, was the Minister of State for Foreign Affairs, who had been in Europe, and who in the interests of national unity was acknowledged as the acting Prime Minister, while a peer who had been serving as a minister of state in the Department of Health was made acting Lord Chancellor. As far as general security went the Second Sea Lord, who had been touring bases, became senior military official and thus responsible for martial law.


Anyway, this is my order of battle for Scotland and the North of England.

2nd Infantry Division (headquarters at Edinburgh destroyed by a nuclear attack, reformed at Stirling)
- Scottish Logistic Support Regiment, RLC (Volunteer) (Stirling, Scotland)
- 168th Pioneer Regiment, RLC (Volunteer) (Middlesbrough, Cleveland, England) (600, 25 soft skinned construction vehicles)
- 102nd Battalion, REME (Volunteer) (Newton Aycliffe, Durham, England) (400 troops, 5 CEVs, 1 Bridgebuilder)
- 5th General Service Medical Regiment (Preston, Lancashire, England)

15th (North East) Brigade (York, Yorkshire, England)
- The Tyne-Tees Regiment (TA Inf Bn) (Durham, Durham, England) (500)
- The East and West Riding Regiment (TA Inf Bn) (Pontefract, Yorkshire, England) (450)
- 4th (Volunteer) Battalion, The Parachute Regiment (Para Inf) (Pudsey, West Yorkshire, England) (300)

51st (Scottish) Brigade (Perth, Scotland)
The 51st Highland Regiment (TA Inf Bn) (Perth, Scotland) (450)

42nd (North West) Brigade (Preston, Lancashire, England)
- The Lancastrian and Cumbrian Volunteers (TA Inf Bn) (Preston, Lancashire, England) (300)
- The King's and Cheshire Regiment (TA Inf Bn) (Warrington, Cheshire, England) (500)
- 1st Battalion, The Worcestershire and Sherwood Foresters Regiment (Lt Inf) (Chester, Cheshire, England) (700) (note: this battalion has recently finished training recruits)
1st Battalion, The Royal Green Jackets (Lt Inf) (Blackpool, Lancashire, England) (250)

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Personally, I think Scottish (and, for that matter, Welsh) Separatism is actually far less likely than GDW suggest.

You probably have things fairly spot on in suggesting that several different factions would be vying for control. From memory (I don't have my notes for Scotland to hand), I'd suggest something like a Provisional Capital in Perth, with an SNP led Government (I can go deeper in to a back story for this at some point). Small garrisons in Perth and Stirling, each in contact with each other. Most likely source of troops would be the 51st Highland Brigade.

I'd also put a French Expeditionary Force in Perth, supporting the SNP Faction. Not large, more like a training team, 40 - 50 men, some light armoured vehicles, maybe even a couple of Gazelles. I'd have the French equipping the Scottish troops, so when on patrol they'd be wearing British uniforms but carrying French weapons.

Figure on the Perth / Stirling corridor being relatively secure, taking in refugees who would be able to work for their keep.

Another area that you would want to consider would be the RAF bases in Scotland - the main ones are RAF Leuchars in Fife (F3 Tornado base), and RAF Lossiemouth in Morayshire (Maritime Attack Tornadoes and Nimrods). Both well away from the SNP controlled areas. RAF personnel are much more likely to have remained loyal to HMG in England, possibly taking in any stray troops that are loyal to HMG.

In my opinion, the further that you go away from the Cities (or what's left of them) in Scotland, the more you are likely to encounter the more traditional way of life, and the more likely strangers are to get a (relatively) warm welcome, whereas the areas around the Cities (particularly Glasgow, Edinburgh, and Dundee) would be hellholes where only the strong would survive for any length of time.

And yes, claiming to be a Pretender to the Crown would probably make you a laughing stock...although there is a possibility in the North that some of the Community leaders could well be the Clan Chiefs...that's not outside the realms of possibility, but only in the more isolated areas in the North of Scotland.

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G'Day All,
While I intend to steal all your hard work and save it off to CD-ROM for possible future use (if I can ever get a proper campaign up & running!) I would like to offer some additional thoughts about the armoured vehicles in use. Specifically, the info deals with vehicles of the 1950s-1970s era that were still in use in the province of Northern Ireland for internal security into the 1980s-1990s.

There were a variety of armoured LandRovers used by both the army and police numbering in the 100s. Examples include the 'Piglet' and the various Shorland armoured cars.
RainbowSix has mentioned the Saracen APC and again, there were a number of them in NI for use by the security forces as well as a stockpile of basically intact vehicles for spares somewhere on the mainland from what I remember. However, the Saracen is a bit of a bitch maintenance-wise.
The Humber 'Pig', another wheeled APC that was kept in service for use in the Province and they still had dozens of them waiting disposal in the late 1990s.

All of these vehicles were modified for urban use in the Province with such things as skirts to prevent firebombs and such being rolled under them, heavy guards on the front to bash through barricades, anti-spalling armour and so on.
It's unlikely GDW would have bothered too much with these vehicles because they were for internal security duties and not part of any army unit as such, however, there were a lot of them in NI and many of them would probably have survived to be taken into service with the remaining security forces... and it's only a short trip across the water if you have access to a car ferry or landing craft if you wanted them for use elsewhere in the UK.

Also, there was a reasonable number of FV701 Ferret scout cars awaiting disposal as of the 1980s-1990s, many of which went to collectors or private museums and suchlike.

Cheers,
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Hi all,

Just to add some final points about mine...

"DeaconR... I would as well suggest having a Royal Marine and Navy complement holding onto the city of Devonport and the town of Poole."

I have Poole garrisoned. Plymouth (very large naval base and important for RN amphibs, nuke subs, etc) however is one I think i'd like to have garrisoned and will have to address that. Probably with just naval personel.

I did like how Anglia was portrayed in the guide and I think Colchester idea is a good addition since I now know about the prison.

Did not the 4th and 5th Divisions compose of TA units? I know a number of TA units were absent in the guide but with additional garrisons around the world, I was able to add units to Norway and a few other places. There is some mention of them in the link I posted above for some more options.

Rainbow Six that is a good point about the town councils initial lack of authority power. How about after the strikes set in, the local leadership (council, police chief, military liason) have the towns police, handful of TA (do not have to be infantry), local milita (ever see Threads and the traffic warden guarding the prisoner camp?) enforce a form of independence since there is no contact with any federal goverment? The independence is more or less isolationist to refugees and not providing support outside their locality.

"Royal" Army of Scotland... yeah seems a bit odd. I have Scotland, which is really just the southern areas independant (Wales not really, instead its kind of gone isolationist until things improve). Yeah, I too have France meddling in Scotish affairs with arms supplies being interested in future access to North Sea oil. The air bases in the north I have still under RAF control, like Stornoway, and Leuchars.

I don't really have any pretender of the crown fellas. I too thought it was a little too much. It was kinda romanticizing or something Britain's monachy past.

ReHerakhte I am a sucker for the older cold war gear and I too have looked into available vehicles. The Guide mentions alot of Ferrets sent to 5th Division and I have added Fox and Saracens too. Thanks for the added info.
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Over the years I can remember a variety of vehicles in service over here, ranging from the early armoured landrovers, through Ferrets, Saracens, Saladins (never carried ammo for the 76mm gun though), Pigs, Tactica EOD vehicles, AT 105 Saxons and Tavern personnel carriers. There are still Taverns, Land rovers and Tacticas in service here now. Another source of light armoured vehicle here would be the PSNI, who use armoured landrovers and armoured civilian cars, both marked and unmarked.
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I was a bit baffled as to why for instance a place like Wigan or Swansea would be nuked but not places like Devonport or Plymouth, which are both ports of some importance. But then it is like the SAC bases in a number of parts of the US not having been nuked while every possible oil refinery city seems to have been. I guess it was somehow fitting in with their idea of resources being hard to grab.

Rainbow Six: I am thinking like you, you'll notice I placed 2nd Division HQ at Stirling, also because that area is actually a major economic region with lots of roads and rails, I felt that any leaders worth their brass would be able to get SOMETHING going.
And I would agree, I would say that the areas that are more urbanised would be typical twilight Anarchy/Terror/Devastation, but it is easy for North Americans to forget how close towns and villages can be in the UK or Europe for that matter.

I'm still working on an idea for numbers of RAF bases; I am reasoning that there would be one or two operating in Ireland, perhaps one (as per the 2300 AD site's back history) or two teaming up with the USAF at Mildenhall or something, and maybe one or two of the joint RAF/RN bases in the south, but I am fiddling with details and brainstorming about them.

I would also like a more comprehensive look at the RN/Royal Marines, but again that will come later.

I like the idea of some of those old urban armored vehicles being put into play. I've always liked the look of the Saracen, and it seems a practical sort of vehicle for the times of the Twilight War.

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wow, excellent work guys!

Like yourselves, I wasn't thrilled about the UK Survivors Guide, especially after you compare the orbat there to Andy Johnson's 1989 NATO order of battle that's been floating around the internet. But then what do I know, I'm just a bloody Yank.

Deacon and Fusilier, you guys are both Canadian? One of my projects is redoing the Canadian order of battle. Have you guys considered the same? Again, I'm just a Yank, eh!

Back to the UK orbat, I saved this bit off one of the Twilight 2000 yahoo groups awhile back, unfortunately, I don't remember which one specifically. A few of the guys on the T2k yahoo group were discussing a possible orbat of Hong Kong based forces. For whatever reason, historical I think, one of the posters renamed the 6th Infantry Division to the 40th Infantry Division.

Here's what they came up with:

40th Infantry Division
The Hong Kong Brigade
-1st Bn., The Royal Hong Kong Rgt.(Volunteers)
-2nd Bn., The Royal Hong Kong Rgt.(Volunteers)-New Formed
-3rd Bn., The Royal Hong Kong Rgt.(Volunteers)-New Formed
26th Gurkha Infantry Brigade
-4th Bn., 2nd King Edward VII's Own Gurkha Rifles(The Sirmoor Rifles)
-3rd Bn., 6th Queen Elizabeth's Own Gurkha Rifles
-1st Bn., The Black Watch (The Royal Highland Regiment)
51st Gurkha Infanrty Brigade
-3rd Bn., 7th Duke of Endinburgh's Own Gurkha Rifles
-3rd Bn., 10th Princess Mary's Own Gurkha Rifles
-The Kali Bahadur Bn., Royal Nepalese Army
28th Commonwealth Infantry Brigade
-9th Bn., The Royal Australian Rgt.
-2nd/1st Bn., The Royal New Zealand Regiment
-3rd Bn., Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry
Division Troops
-Hong Kong Independent Sqd., The Royal Tank Regiment (Scorpions &
Scimitars)
- 27th (Hong Kong) Signal Rgt., R.S.
- ? (Hong Kong) Fortress Engineer Rgt., R.E.
-660 Sqd., A.A.C.
-? (Gurkha) Field Rgt., R.A.
-? (Gurkha) Field Rgt., R.A.
-? (Gurkha) Light Air Defence Rgt., R.A.

Royal Navy
H.Q. China Station (H.M.S. Tamar)
6th Patrol Craft Sqd.- 6 Peacock Class PC(Gun)
8th Mine Warfare Sqd.- 5 Ton Class Minesweepers
Hong Kong Clearance Diving Team
S Commando Co., Royal Marines ( from Fleet Protection Group)
3rd Raiding Sqd., Royal Marines

Royal Air Force
-No.28 Sqd.- 12 Merlin HC.1
-No.1417 Flt.- 8 Harrier Gr.7
-No.91 (Hong Kong) Sqd., RAF Rgt. (Air Defence)

U.S. Navy
-Naval Support Activity, Hong Kong
-VP-9 "GOLDEN EAGLES"- 9 P-3C Orion

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Interesting and comprehensive orbat. I like the RN additions which I'd never really considered in detail. BTW, above is this link which can lead to the RAF orbat. http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~d...dmin/Index6.htm

I've considered somewhat revising the Canadian OOB, particularly since there is the possibility that as with other nations units might be called up to a greater degree than has been described. Are you referring to the one from the Challenge article?

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boogiedowndonovan, yeah we are both Canadians. Ive redone the Canadian Orbat. I didn't really like the Challenge article depicticing it. I was in the army for 11 years and I think I have a bit of a different opinion than the author did. Not saying I am an expert, its just a different view... kinda like how you guys think of UK Survivors Guide (for a number of you live there).

I am at work so I can't post it. But this is my main idea. The way Canadian reserve troops are deployed IRL, isn't like how the Brit TA in Twilight is deployed. When a battalion is deployed in peacekeeping ops, haiti, gulf war 1, etc... reserve units send troops to augment and supplement the Regular Army units, but the reserve unit itself mostly remains. I think in WW3, with 4th Mech Brigade group in battle, reserve units would be for the most part remain at home, training at a much more higher level, and sending troops as replacements. The same continues when 5 Brigade shows up to reinforce 4th Mech Brigade. Reserve units just don't have battlefield mobility, size, and firepower to operate alone in Europe. Anyways that leaves a reg brigade in western and central Canada as reserve and eventually operate in Yukon Territory and B.C. against the Soviets.

The exception of whole unit deployments I think would be reserve field artillery units (105mm towed) sent to replace losses in the regular artillery units (M109). And the odd unit of whatever, infantry, transport, engineer, etc.

So by 2001, many of the reserve units are near their home garrisons, while a number we sent to the west or Quebec. A reg brigade is trapped with an American Corps in Northern Poland (cant remember which but its the one mentioned in the books), a brigade is in Alberta, and the 3rd was able to be evacuated with Op Omega where it landed in Atlantic Canada.
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Fusilier, I think you are thinking of the 4th Mechanised Brigade which is under the US XI Army Corps.

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Some info round 4th mech bde from last year =)

4th Mech bde on RPGhost

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Yeah thats it. The regiments and battalions may change over time but its always 2 infantry and 1 armour, with engineer, artillery and choppers.

You would also have the Canadian Airborne Regiment sent to Europe as well, but they would most likely end up in Norway with potentially another single infantry battalion there as well.
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Hope no one minds my resurrecting this, but I've been revising the OOB that I originally posted to add in some additional units (plus some things inspired by Deacon and the Fusilier), so thought I'd repost with an updated OOB.

A few notes first of all.

Firstly, I must stress that this only loosely follows canon. I haven't changed any of the nuclear targets, but I have made some sweeping changes to some of the things suggested in the UKSG. For those familiar with UK geography, I have made the South West a relatively secure area, mostly under Government control, with a provisional capital in Oxford. The South I have in anarchy, with occasional military units being the last hold outs of law and order. In the North East I have several military enclaves amidst a sea of rising disorder. The North West, with the exception of the area close to the Scottish border, is in total anarchy. Scotland, Wales, and East Anglia are all independent of the UK Government.

I have changed a few things from the original orbat that I posted, mainly because I thought that placed too many troops in the North East. By reducing the number of troops I have tried to keep the sense of the isolated enclaves. I reduced troop numbers by not pulling a Brigade back from Norway.

As before, Units are mentioned that the UKSG mentions as being elsewhere - in each instance I have substituted them for another unit (in the UKSG orbat there were a number of regular battalions unaccounted for).

I have created a purely fictional formation, the Home Service Force, based loosely on the WW2 Home Guard (there actually was a HSF in the mid 80's, but they were nothing like the HSF as I have listed it here)

I have attempted to give independent Welsh units Welsh names, courtesy of an online translator - hopefully they are accurate!

Finally, I have not looked at Northern Ireland - this orbat is for the mainland only.

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UKLF HQ - Salisbury, Wiltshire
33rd Engineer Regiment (EOD), Royal Engineers
10th Signal Regiment, Royal Signals
4th Battalion, Royal Electrical and Mechanical Engineers
7th Transport Regiment, Royal Logistics Corps
3rd Regiment, Royal Military Police

2nd Battalion, The Parachute Regiment (Less A Company)
Effective strength - 250 men
Subordination: UKLF HQ
Location - Salisbury, Wiltshire. .

Zulu Squadron, 22nd SAS Regiment
Effective strength: 33 men
Subordination: UKLF HQ (reporting to Director, Special Forces)
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S Squadron, Commachio Group, Royal Marines
Effective strength: 150 men
Subordination: UKLF HQ


W Kompanie, Royal Netherlands Marine Corps
Effective strength: 50 men
Subordination: nominally none (Queen of the Netherlands bodyguard)


The Household Brigade
Location - Oxford, Reading, Windsor
Subordination: UKLF HQ
Effective Strength - 1300 men, 1 x FV4030 Challenger, 1 x FV4201 Chieftain, 1 x M60A1, 1 x Sherman, 1 x Tiger Tank, 3 x FV107 Scimitar CVR(T)
The Household Cavalry Mounted Regiment
The Life Guards
2nd Battalion, The Grenadier Guards
1st Battalion, The Irish Guards


Unit Histories
2nd Battalion, The Parachute Regiment
Repatriated to UK by air on 09 December 1998 to assist in the maintenance of law and order. Now serving as the UKLF HQ Rapid Reaction Force, with limited airlift capability supplied by the RAF. D Company formed from elements of 1st/2nd King Edward VII’s Own Gurkha Rifles (the Simoor Rifles). Unlike most units, has not practiced local recruiting, so all personnel are experienced combat veterans.


Zulu Squadron, 22nd SAS Regiment
Formed from various Special Forces personnel based in the UK. Serving as UKLF Special Purpose Force, with limited airlift capability supplied by the RAF. Strength includes two US Navy Seals and one German KSK commando.


S Squadron, Commachio Group, Royal Marines
Part of the pre-war Royal Marines Commandos tasked with the security of the Royal Navy’s nuclear submarines and weapons, S Squadron of the Commachio Group is currently tasked with protecting the UK’s remaining functioning oil rigs, a role it performs with the support of Royal Navy and RAF assets in the North East. Unlike most units, has hardly practiced any local recruiting, preferring to maintain its elite force status.


W Kompanie, Royal Netherlands Marine Corps
Arrived in the UK aboard the HNLMS De Ruyter in March 1998 with the Dutch Queen, W Kompanie is based in Oxford and maintains its role as bodyguard to the exiled Sovereign of the Netherlands.


The Household Brigade
The Household Brigade is currently serving as the primary security force for Her Majesty’s Government as well as carrying out its traditional role as the Sovereign’s bodyguard. The Scimitars are operated by the HCMR, which also has a 100 strong mounted troop; the heavy tanks, which came from the Tank Museum at Bovington, Dorset, are operated by the Life Guards. Foot Guards provide one Company to augment RAF Brize Norton security on a rotating basis.