Akmr

[pmulcahy11b]

Originally Posted by jester

Why waste a good heavy bullet. Simply adjust the reloading die so the projectile sits deeper so it meets the overall length so it can fit in the magazine and chamber and fire. The end result is one heck of a round with some nice knockdown power.

Some examples are some 30 caliber bullets I loaded that were 220 grains a good 40 grains heavier than a standard 180 grain projectile.

And the perfect example was the old Webley/Enfield in .38 the origianal cartridge was the same as the old .38 S&W which was a weak cartridge. But, when the British loaded a 200 grain bullet in it well then it had some nice stopping power. Not much on velocity mind you but it did take a man down.

This is one of those things that T2K doesn't handle well: things like sub-loaded rounds, hot-loaded rounds, heavier or lighter bullets, etc. I often find myself jury-rigging rules for this sort of thing, as well as during vehicle design.

[Raellus]

I'm on a roller coaster here. The more I read here and the more I think about it, the less I like the AKMR concept. I mean the concept is good but putting into practice...?

It seems like it would be far easier and more efficient to continue to manufacture 7.62mm x39 S ammunition and distribute it to units armed with the millions of AK-47 and AKM variants already out there than it would be to recall all of those weapons and rechamber them/redistribute them.

In the meantime, older AK models would continue to be replaced with new AK-74 variants and whatever's left over would continue to receive issue of the 7.62mm S ammo.

[pmulcahy11b]

Originally Posted by Raellus

I'm on a roller coaster here. The more I read here and the more I think about it, the less I like the AKMR concept. I mean the concept is good but putting into practice...?

It seems like it would be far easier and more efficient to continue to manufacture 7.62mm x39 S ammunition and distribute it to units armed with the millions of AK-47 and AKM variants already out there than it would be to recall all of those weapons and rechamber them/redistribute them.

In the meantime, older AK models would continue to be replaced with new AK-74 variants and whatever's left over would continue to receive issue of the 7.62mm S ammo.

I agree with you there -- the idea is silly, if you think about it logically. But it's still a good "flavoring" element.

[StainlessSteelCynic]

Originally Posted by pmulcahy11b

I agree with you there -- the idea is silly, if you think about it logically. But it's still a good "flavoring" element.

I agree on both points. The AKMR was included I think, due to flawed logic. At the time the game was made the Soviets were changing from 7.62mm to 5.45mm, nobody thought they would keep using the older round for as long as they did let alone Russia actively going back to it. The AKMR makes sense in view of the lack of information that GDW would have had but with hindsight we can now see that they were, like everyone else, misinformed and the AKMR seems a silly idea.

[kcdusk]

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Most sub machine guns have a damage rating of "2". What is different about the M177 that it has a damage rating of "3"?

[TiggerCCW UK]

I think its just a calibre thing - most smg's are firing a 9mm or .45 pistol round, with an increased damage due to the longer barrel and higher velocity, hence the 2 damage. The M177 is a carbine/short rifle using a 5.56mm rifle round, hence the 3 damage.

[pmulcahy11b]

Originally Posted by kcdusk

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Most sub machine guns have a damage rating of "2". What is different about the M177 that it has a damage rating of "3"?

Well, the M-177 is firing a rifle bullet as opposed to the pistol round of submachineguns. But I do give it a damage rating of 2 -- but the penetration is 1-Nil, while most submachineguns have a penetration of Nil. Using that short barrel to fire a rifle bullet has a high cost on the muzzle velocity of the round. (Technically, the M-177 is a "short-barreled assault rifle" instead of a submachinegun.)

Here's another wrinkle to firing a rifle round in a short-barreled weapon -- it will leave behind a ton of unburned propellant as well as carbon in the barrel and muzzle device. Not sure how to handle this T2K-wise (other than assign a higher chance of misfire to a dirty weapon).

[Raellus]

The same would be true for the AKS-74U. It is more of a carbine than an SMG. The v2.2 don't really make that distinction.

And, I don't know if this is true of other "submachineguns" that fire full-powered rifle rounds but the AKS-74U has a b*tch of a muzzle blast/firing signature. I haven't seen quite the same in footage of the M4 (basically the M117 of v2.2) firing.