Poll - Favorite Battle Rifle

[Legbreaker]

As a point of interest, the L1A1 SLR can be easily converted to fire automatically by several methods. Two that I know of involve a match stick inserted inside or simply removing the safety catch. Of course it's not exactly a great idea as the barrel is a bit light to cope and you loose the ability for single shots (not to mention a working safety!)

A third option is judicious application of a file to the safety which both removes the exterior "lug" from the safety which prevents it rotating around to the Auto setting (the L1A1 is marked with an auto setting even though it's not actually able to fire that way), and a little work on the same peice internally.

[Cpl. Kalkwarf]

AR-10, as it is very familiar to the M16 which the USMC sought to train me on. And I own one. Very nice weapon.

[pmulcahy11b]

Originally Posted by Legbreaker

As a point of interest, the L1A1 SLR can be easily converted to fire automatically by several methods. Two that I know of involve a match stick inserted inside or simply removing the safety catch. Of course it's not exactly a great idea as the barrel is a bit light to cope and you loose the ability for single shots (not to mention a working safety!)

A third option is judicious application of a file to the safety which both removes the exterior "lug" from the safety which prevents it rotating around to the Auto setting (the L1A1 is marked with an auto setting even though it's not actually able to fire that way), and a little work on the same peice internally.

Along this line, what do you think the possibility that that drop-in auto sear kits (such as those that used to be for sale for the AR-15 back in the mid-1960s) would make a comeback? Would governments start making them again to give out to their militias?

[Targan]

Originally Posted by pmulcahy11b

Along this line, what do you think the possibility that that drop-in auto sear kits (such as those that used to be for sale for the AR-15 back in the mid-1960s) would make a comeback? Would governments start making them again to give out to their militias?

In other parts of the world, absolutely. I doubt they would here in Australia though. I can't imagine the Australian military thinking it would be a good idea to provide militias with full-auto converted SLRs. I think they would feel much more comfortable training militias to use SLRs in the same way that the Australian Army has always used them (semi auto).

[Legbreaker]

The lighter barrel the L1A1 is equipped with probably wouldn't stand up to automatic fire for all that long. At a guess, maybe it would last through one decent contact before becoming effectively useless.

However, replacing the barrel with a heavier one while retaining the other parts is conceivable - but it would require at least a trained armourer and the correct tools.

Without a bipod though I can't really see the point. You'd also need to find a decent supply of the larger (and seriously rare) 30 round mags - the standard 20s are gone in a flash (same with the 30 true be told).

As a side note, the Infantry museum at Singleton, NSW has an L1A1 and an M16 converted to bullpup. Both weapons are capable of fire even though the "conversion" appears to be little more than application of a hacksaw, and adding a bit of fencing wire and assorted bits and peices that happened to be laying about the workshop....

[Legbreaker]

Thanks to StainlessSteelCynic this is one of the weapons I remember seeing at Singleton. http://www.nvtech.com.au/index-pastProjects.html

[Targan]

Originally Posted by Legbreaker

Thanks to StainlessSteelCynic this is one of the weapons I remember seeing at Singleton. http://www.nvtech.com.au/index-pastProjects.html

Never seen those photos before now. Awesome. Love it. What a pity it wasn't adopted by the Australian Army.

[Brother in Arms]

Why do you do this to me guys!!

Can I pick All of the Above? I love em all for different reasons...As far as my own personal owenership goes I own both an M1 and an M14 type rifle as well as a South african FAL parts kit that I can never seem to get around to building

I have always favored the power range and accuracy of battle rifles. Cut my teeth shooting the M1 and M14 on the high power shooting range. My first rifle though was a Chinese type 56 SKS not exactly a battle rifle in that it fires an intermediate cartridge but more so in form than other rifles in 7.62x39mm. (I also own several Mosin nagant rifles and a 1903A3 springfield wich is deadly accurate.) Edited that being said I have made some of the best shots with an M1 rifle I think I shoot it slighlty better than I do the M14.

I think the FAL, SLR and M14 are some of the best of there breed. The FAL and G3A3 platforms are certainly more common the world over but given my loyalty I have to put one up for the M14. But I wouldnt feel under armed with any of the choices in the poll. The US Army is adopting a new AR-10 rifle designated M110 to replace the M21 and M24 rifles.

[pmulcahy11b]

Originally Posted by Legbreaker

Thanks to StainlessSteelCynic this is one of the weapons I remember seeing at Singleton. http://www.nvtech.com.au/index-pastProjects.html

That bullpup M-16 is just so ugly...yet oddly-attractive...

[Legbreaker]

The base weapon is actually an L1A1 SLR but they're scrounged parts from an M16 to form the stock.

[headquarters]

Or AG-3 as we call it -AutomatGevær-3 .

It is a sturdy,accurate and reliable piece of gun .Heavyer than carbines,only 20 round mag etc etc .

But still - us Norgies have had it since the late 60s and used from the Polar Circle to the Bekaa Valley.

We now use the HK 416 which is like an M4 with a piston system - only better than an M4 -

I havent quite decided yet which one I favour -but the AG-3 is definently a good battle rifle.

I see many have the SLR as primo arma. I cant argue with that choice either -proven and re-proven .

I think many tend to choose whatever they are most familiar with though.Stick with what you know in a way .

As for use in game terms , the battle rifle is very useful if you have good STR and AG .If not , the recoil builds up to fast for efficient use imho.

Still in game terms - if you get them with the 7,62x51 you get them good. The 5.56 you might get them straight off - but maybe not .

[pmulcahy11b]

Originally Posted by headquarters

if you get them with the 7,62x51 you get them good. The 5.56 you might get them straight off - but maybe not .

I'll agree as someone who's shot people with an M16 -- shot placement is absolutely vital. But then again, 7.62mm NATO is too powerful for use in a main force assault rifle.

[Anton_Lysenko]

Privyet!

I have to go with the SVT-40, "Stalin's Garand." 7.62x54, 10 round box mag...and it looks as sharp as hell. The only accessories are a scope, a bayonet, and a sling.

Me with mine at a public "demo" (ie, dog and pony show) in Waxahatchie, TX:



Call me old-fashioned.

[Brother in Arms]

SVT-40 a true Frontovik!

Another good battle rifle always wanted one for my collection seems like every time I almost aquire one something gets in the way. I have almost bought about 4 of these rifles. Not to mention the cut down Carbine version of these rifles is extremely appealing

actaully had a twilight game set in russia and one of the players aquired a SVT-40 PU from a great Patriotic war diarama in a musuem. It was later used with deadly effect.

Gotta Love 7.62x54R leave it to russia to develope a round nearly the same ballisticaly to 7.62x51 only 80 years before we did! There is reason that this round is being used today even though it was invented in the 1880'

Love the SVT though they are sadly harder to get these days.

[waiting4something]

Originally Posted by Anton_Lysenko

Privyet!

I have to go with the SVT-40, "Stalin's Garand." 7.62x54, 10 round box mag...and it looks as sharp as hell. The only accessories are a scope, a bayonet, and a sling.

Me with mine at a public "demo" (ie, dog and pony show) in Waxahatchie, TX:



Call me old-fashioned.

Damn, that's awesome. I have only seen those in books. I can't even remember seeing those in any movies. Stalin's Garand.

[TiggerCCW UK]

SLR for me, although I also have a great deal of affection for the old Mk4 .303.

[LAW0306]

Very Wierd Poll..Most here have not been to combat or have carried all these weapons in or to Combat. So we are going off what we have read or heard ...This is not good. I have attended Foreign Weapons Instructors course and Have handled all the above weapons in Static Live fire and In BE's. I had a preferance for the G3 with the FAL a close second. I own a M-1 and a M-14 and shoot them often. If I was in Combat where I had to have a Battle rifle I would choose the FAL..Its not better then the G3 but there are more out there to use and I would feel I would be well armed with a reliable weapon that had the power to stop any two or four legged creatures.....

[LAW0306]

The arguement on the 5.56...go stand in the street and let me shot you in the chest and then I will ask you if it is a under-strenght round...ok thats right you would not be able to talk you would be dead.

[StainlessSteelCynic]

Originally Posted by LAW0306

Very Wierd Poll..Most here have not been to combat or have carried all these weapons in or to Combat.

The poll is titled What is your favorite battle rifle for your PC? It's for the game, not real life

[kato13]

Originally Posted by StainlessSteelCynic

The poll is titled What is your favorite battle rifle for your PC? It's for the game, not real life

But the thread is titled "Favorite battle rifle". I have made the mistake of answering the title (rather than the poll) more than once.

[bobcat]

in order.
G3 (ootb can serve any decent sniper)
M14 (the 8 round ding with a box mag)
FAL (democracies right arm)
M1 garand (the 8 round ding.)

[dragoon500ly]

Have shot the M-14 while in the service...an absolute sweetheart of a weapon, very easy to use, ergonomic and surisingly far more accurate than a M-16 on single shot. When kicked over to full auto, he had better have been hitting the barbells at the gem, the recoil would throw you all over the range.

Since getting out, I have purchased an M-1 Garand...and next to my wife and kids, this is the love of my life (at least until the military starts selling off M-14s to civilians). A sweet, sweet rifle.

[HorseSoldier]

Since getting out, I have purchased an M-1 Garand...and next to my wife and kids, this is the love of my life (at least until the military starts selling off M-14s to civilians). A sweet, sweet rifle.

Never going to happen, barring a complete rewrite of US gun laws -- even though most M14s weren't issued with full auto capability enabled, the receivers are still set up for it, and so BATFE takes the "once a machine gun, always a machine gun" view on the matter.

If you can find an older M1A (back when Springfield Armory was basically just assembling USGI M14 parts on their receivers), or get one from a higher end manufacturer than SA today, you can get something that is about as close to the real thing as will ever be available on the commercial market, though. (Well, I'm told there are some transferable Class III M14s out there, but I think I've heard upwards of $15K price tags if you can even find one . . .)

[dragoon500ly]

Originally Posted by HorseSoldier

Never going to happen, barring a complete rewrite of US gun laws -- even though most M14s weren't issued with full auto capability enabled, the receivers are still set up for it, and so BATFE takes the "once a machine gun, always a machine gun" view on the matter.

If you can find an older M1A (back when Springfield Armory was basically just assembling USGI M14 parts on their receivers), or get one from a higher end manufacturer than SA today, you can get something that is about as close to the real thing as will ever be available on the commercial market, though. (Well, I'm told there are some transferable Class III M14s out there, but I think I've heard upwards of $15K price tags if you can even find one . . .)

I know that the likelyhood of M-14s being sold to civilians is somewhere in between "never going to happen" and "when pigs fly"...but it is a sweet rifle and I have a lot of fond memories.

But the M-1 is the next best thing, and in spite of the armchair wiz-bangs talking out of their fourth point of contact about the amount of noise that the clip makes...after over three years of shooting it, I'm happy!

[LT. Ox]

Hmmm went through Basic with the 14 went through AIT as well.
Then go to Nam and get a 16......... er wtf?
buy browning auto five and get permission to carry. Happy again.
My SWAT team started out with a L1A1 as heavy support weapon carried by the 6'5" 245 lbs middle linebacker of our team.
Me ... shortened mini 14 and restocked as I was the happy Scout.
I do love that garand action ( have one) and have the 30 carbine and m1a1 scoped as well.
It is a very good and dependable design as seen by the use as a sniper weapon now.
I will say I think you members of HER Britanic forces are just biased
PS I can not spell and am taking pain meds so there.

[.45cultist]

Originally Posted by LT. Ox

Hmmm went through Basic with the 14 went through AIT as well.
Then go to Nam and get a 16......... er wtf?
buy browning auto five and get permission to carry. Happy again.
My SWAT team started out with a L1A1 as heavy support weapon carried by the 6'5" 245 lbs middle linebacker of our team.
Me ... shortened mini 14 and restocked as I was the happy Scout.
I do love that garand action ( have one) and have the 30 carbine and m1a1 scoped as well.
It is a very good and dependable design as seen by the use as a sniper weapon now.
I will say I think you members of HER Britanic forces are just biased
PS I can not spell and am taking pain meds so there.

I once was looking online and a British possession had a defense force with Mini14's. Don't know which island.

[LT. Ox]

When we put the team together the Boss ( Sheriff) did not have military background and did not like military "types". but he sure wanted a trained group to respond to and reduce any problems.
Ergo, no money support, as in you guys get it together , equip and I will 'let" you have paid time to train...maybe.
the others were into and had the ar 15 I I did and do not like that action or configuration of that weapon, sooooo
I bought the mini 14. I did not trust the head space from the factory and had it checked it was not within what I considered specs and I wanted a bit shorter weapon so I had an inch taken off the chamber and an inch taken off the muzzle re-chambered and re-crowned,
restocked with a top of the line folder and man what a weapon, oh yeah it had the four power Buris(sic) scope.
Our location put us between Denver and Salt lake airports and at the time skyjacking was a threat, our airport could land the big stuff sooo We received our training and some grant money from the Feds and were the fast response to our airport for any such emergence until the FBI could get on scene.
Great training and super experience.
Oh yeah and a whole bunch of pretty good war stores.