Converting Naval Weapons for use on land?

[avantman42]

Originally Posted by Rainbow Six

(I think most of the other names are fairly obvious - for those unfamiliar with British TV / culture, Baldrick was a character in the Blackadder TV series that ran in the 1980's)

You have to wonder if the crew of HMS Baldrick are known for their "cunning plans"

[WallShadow]

Originally Posted by avantman42

You have to wonder if the crew of HMS Baldrick are known for their "cunning plans"

So, when given orders to secure the "Baldrick" in its garage, the appropriate order would be, "Shut up Baldrick"?

[StainlessSteelCynic]

Rainbow Six, do you know that the Bovington Tank Museum has a WW1 era Rolls Royce armoured car, one of the type as used by the Royal Navy Air Service (who were the pioneers of British armoured car use)? Bovington is a bit of a hike from Portsmouth but with a small landing craft the group could sail into Poole Harbour (all the way to Holton Heath) then follow the railway line to Wool (2km from Bovington)
While other groups would probably loot as many of the modern vehicles as they could, I'm thinking they might ignore a WW1 vehicle.

I'm thinking of the irony (and the potential morale points) of the Portsmouth garrison recovering the armoured car from the museum, repainting it in RN colours and putting it to work (as it is maintained by the museum in working order for parades and ceremonial duties). Although a bit slow by modern standards, it's a very rugged design and with modern tyres would probably be quite agile (it was apparently a good performer in it's day with the tyres of that era)

[Rainbow Six]

Originally Posted by StainlessSteelCynic

Rainbow Six, do you know that the Bovington Tank Museum has a WW1 era Rolls Royce armoured car, one of the type as used by the Royal Navy Air Service (who were the pioneers of British armoured car use)? Bovington is a bit of a hike from Portsmouth but with a small landing craft the group could sail into Poole Harbour (all the way to Holton Heath) then follow the railway line to Wool (2km from Bovington)
While other groups would probably loot as many of the modern vehicles as they could, I'm thinking they might ignore a WW1 vehicle.

I'm thinking of the irony (and the potential morale points) of the Portsmouth garrison recovering the armoured car from the museum, repainting it in RN colours and putting it to work (as it is maintained by the museum in working order for parades and ceremonial duties). Although a bit slow by modern standards, it's a very rugged design and with modern tyres would probably be quite agile (it was apparently a good performer in it's day with the tyres of that era)

Thanks Stainless, I've looked at Bovington a few times, but hadn't noticed that before. In my T2K World Bovington is the most westerly part of HMG's main enclave in the south of England and is occupied by Falcon and Ajax Squadrons of the 2nd Royal Tank Regiment (I had 2 RTR as the resident Regiment at the Royal Armoured Corps Centre at Bovington Camp at the time of the nuclear exchanges; the Regiment's Cyclops Squadron is also in the UK, but is operating in an infantry role).

The two Squadrons have around a dozen operational MBT's (including some taken from the Tank Museum) plus a number of other lighter armoured vehicles, making them the largest armoured unit in the British Isles in the summer of 2000 (in my T2K World).

[Matt W]

Having lived in Plymouth, I recommend the Crownhill Fort http://www.palmerstonforts.org.uk/pav1/plym.htm
it has working cannon. ahh.. nostalgia. At one time I had a dozen copies of the free tourist guide to this place. It was an outpost of the Royal Marines in my Morrow Project (or rather Atlantis Project) game

If you have forces in Plymouth (South Devon) they should really make a quick trip to Umberleigh (North Devon) and have a word with the owner of the Cobbaton Combat collection. Alternatively, RAF Chivenor might make a visit

http://cobbatoncombat.co.uk/

The website's pretty lousy - but it does show some of the vehicles. A Sherman and - I think - a T34.

I don't know how desperate the Royal Navy might be, but there is another Sherman just up the coast at Slapton Sands in Somerset. It IS a memorial , but that might not stop them

http://www.shermantank.co.uk/recovery3.ikml

[Ramjam]

Don't quote me on this, but I sure I remember one of my army cadet instructors telling me years ago that someone down in Cornwall have a very private collection of military hardware on his estate.

I can't remember the details and I have tried Google'in it but no luck.

No sure what he/she had but it was more than a small arms collection.

[kato13]

Originally Posted by Ramjam

Don't quote me on this, but I sure I remember one of my army cadet instructors telling me years ago that someone down in Cornwall have a very private collection of military hardware on his estate.

I can't remember the details and I have tried Google'in it but no luck.

No sure what he/she had but it was more than a small arms collection.

The "Dinscott Military Collection"? . Have not found any real details though.

[pmulcahy11b]

Originally Posted by Ramjam

Don't quote me on this, but I sure I remember one of my army cadet instructors telling me years ago that someone down in Cornwall have a very private collection of military hardware on his estate.

I can't remember the details and I have tried Google'in it but no luck.

No sure what he/she had but it was more than a small arms collection.

There's more than a few ranchers here in Texas who have that kind of collection...

[Ramjam]

That might be it Kato. I'll keep digging.

And funny you should mention Crownhill Fort. My plan was to use either Tregantle Fort (which is still used by the MOD and in superb order) or Scraesdon Fort (which would need alot of work done to it) or either both as a kind of FOB into Cornwall. They could be used for guarding the sea and land on the Cornwall side of the Tamar against the Dukey forces and as FOBs for raids into Cornwall.
As air-power is not a huge problem in TW2000 the solid granite walls would make a nice bit of cover.

Here's a picture of what I mean.

http://www.cyber-heritage.co.uk/tregantle.jpg

[Rainbow Six]

Originally Posted by Matt W

Having lived in Plymouth, I recommend the Crownhill Fort http://www.palmerstonforts.org.uk/pav1/plym.htm
it has working cannon. ahh.. nostalgia. At one time I had a dozen copies of the free tourist guide to this place. It was an outpost of the Royal Marines in my Morrow Project (or rather Atlantis Project) game

If you have forces in Plymouth (South Devon) they should really make a quick trip to Umberleigh (North Devon) and have a word with the owner of the Cobbaton Combat collection. Alternatively, RAF Chivenor might make a visit

http://cobbatoncombat.co.uk/

The website's pretty lousy - but it does show some of the vehicles. A Sherman and - I think - a T34.

I don't know how desperate the Royal Navy might be, but there is another Sherman just up the coast at Slapton Sands in Somerset. It IS a memorial , but that might not stop them

http://www.shermantank.co.uk/recovery3.ikml

Thanks Matt. I have Crownhill occupied by B Company of the 1st Battalion, Green Howards.

(In my T2K World the Green Howards were part of 24th Airmobile Brigade and were pulled back to the UK in late 98 to help the authorities maintain order' B Company were detached from the rest of the Battalion in 1999, reinforced with an ad hoc collection of TA, HSF, and non combat arms personnel and sent to Plymouth to reinforce the Navy. The rest of the Battalion is at Bovington with elements of 2 RTR, where amongst other things they are providing security for the Wytch Farm onshore oil field).

The Cobbaton collection is interesting. Whilst I have the RAF pulling out of Chivenor sometime in late 1998 / early 1999, Cobbaton looks like it would be a treasure trove for local militia units, particularly the 200 plus deactivated firearms. It might not be possible to reactivate these, but a milita force armed with guns that don't work is better than one with no guns at all...after all if marauders see a village defended by a group armed with Lee Enfields, Stens, etc, would they want to hang around to see whether they worked or not? Personally, I doubt it.

Another option is to have Cobbaton plundered by marauders. I've been trying to do something involving escaped prisoners from HM Prison in Dartmoor, so that might be an option for them.

Thanks again.

[pmulcahy11b]

One thing I just thought of is that the North Koreans have put some naval guns on tank chassis for use as land artillery. IIRC, they are 175mm guns.