Soviet 124th MRD

[Legbreaker]

Same. Europe, once the Soviets brought in the far eastern units would have been one constant grind with no time to rest. We can see just how desperate the 1997 withdrawal was for Nato from some of the unit histories and the timeline info.
My guess is that this six month period was the most costly in men and material for the whole war on all fronts......and it never got significantly better.

[Abbott Shaull]

Yeah both Europe and Korea would be meat grinders. It part of the reason like the 40th Mechanized Division were destroyed in Europe the excess personnel after reforming one Brigade were sent back to California to rebuild the rest of the Division.

[Legbreaker]

I don't think of Korea as a meat grinder as much as China was for the Soviets and Chinese, and Europe for those there. Plenty of casualties, sure, but not to the same degree as elsewhere, or even what was seen in the 50's.

There doesnt' seem to be enough units on either side to create the masses of casualties seen elsewhere and I can't recall any of the unit histories indicating it either.

Of course we don't exactly have a lot of coverage of this area in the books....

[Abbott Shaull]

Originally Posted by Legbreaker

I don't think of Korea as a meat grinder as much as China was for the Soviets and Chinese, and Europe for those there. Plenty of casualties, sure, but not to the same degree as elsewhere, or even what was seen in the 50's.

There doesnt' seem to be enough units on either side to create the masses of casualties seen elsewhere and I can't recall any of the unit histories indicating it either.

Of course we don't exactly have a lot of coverage of this area in the books....

Two of the Marine Divisions and 2nd Infantry and 7th Light Infantry Divisions had all taken a beaten.

[Legbreaker]

That's what you get for me posting without books handy to refer to....

Still, it's only a handful of units compared to elsewhere. What other US units are in Korea and what shape are they in?

[Abbott Shaull]

For the US Army off the top of my head there was two Corps HQs. The 163rd Idaho National Guard Armor Cavalry Regiment which had been re-equipped with M115 (IIRC which were m113 with LAV-25 turrets on them).

Here is where the information

http://forum.juhlin.com/showthread.php?t=519

8th US Army

II US Amphibious Corps

23rd Regiment, 4th Marine Division
Subordination: II US Amphibious Corps
Current Location: Inchon, South Korea
Manpower: 700
Tanks: 7 M60A3

5th Marine Division
Subordination: II US Amphibious Corps
Current Location: Kaesong, North Korea
Manpower: 2000
Tanks: 9 M60A3

16th Regiment, 6th Marine Division
Subordination: II US Amphibious Corps
Current Location: Weijei, North Korea
Manpower: 600
Tanks: 4 M60A3

II US Corps
1st Brigade, 7th Light Infantry Division
Subordination: II US Corps
Current Location: ?
Manpower: 500
Tanks: None.
Notes: The 1st Brigade was trapped in North Korea after the run for the Yalu River was pushed back by victorious Soviet forces breaking out of China. The 1st has been out of contact for 13 months now. It is known they are actively making their way south.

26th Light Infantry Division
Subordination: II US Corps
Current Location: Yujiaitu, South Korea
Manpower: 500
Tanks: 13 LAV-75

45th Infantry Division
Subordination: II US Corps
Current Location: Pusan, South Korea
Manpower: 2000
Tanks: None

VI US Corps

2nd Infantry Division
Subordination: VI US Corps
Current Location: Seoul, South Korea
Manpower: 2000
Tanks: 4 M1

25th Light Infantry Division
Subordination: VI US Corps
Current Location: Firebase Alpha, North Korea
Manpower: 600
Tanks: None

41st Infantry Division
Subordination: VI US Corps
Current Location: Firebase Juliet, North Korea
Manpower: 2000
Tanks: None

163rd Armored Cavalry Regiment
Subordination: VI US Corps
Current Location: Firebase Neccessity, South Korea
Manpower: 300
Tanks: 4 LAV-75

These units are still contact with the remains of the North Korean Army supported by Soviet units after their victory over China.

[Legbreaker]

Hmm, not exactly a huge amount of strength is there...?

Of course there's the South Koreans and possibly a few other nations involved also since it is essentially supposed to be a UN force. Still, I can't see any real justification for nukes in the area - the North Koreans may have a handful, but would the UN authorise nuke use by "their" forces? (On the other hand, is the UN even running the show anymore after November 97?)