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[Legbreaker]

Originally Posted by dragoon500ly

In the USAVG, there are a couple of formations that include CEV in their AFV totals. But both of these are in the US, and none of the overseas formations mention CEVs at all...

I think they're Civgov units too aren't they?

[dragoon500ly]

Originally Posted by Legbreaker

I think they're Civgov units too aren't they?

One is a CivGov Engineer Brigade; the other is MilGovs 49th AD.

[Legbreaker]

Hmm, I could have sworn I'd seen an M-728 listed somewhere in Europe...
Maybe I'm just remembering a game I played in back in the 80's...?

[HorseSoldier]

In the USAVG, there are a couple of formations that include CEV in their AFV totals. But both of these are in the US, and none of the overseas formations mention CEVs at all...

For active duty divisions and the better equipped ARNG ones, I suspect that the CEVs wouldn't be around by 2000 -- ammo would be scarce, but parts for M60 based vehicles would be problematic when almost all of your fleet of tanks and tank like vehicles are M1s and M1 derivatives. Same thing if you include the Sgt Yorks in the force mix at all (which, despite its real world failure, I always loved the twin 40mm's in game play . . .)

Lower readiness 'Guard units that have a lot of '60s (or even 48s) might be able to keep CEVs up and running better.

[dragoon500ly]

Originally Posted by HorseSoldier

For active duty divisions and the better equipped ARNG ones, I suspect that the CEVs wouldn't be around by 2000 -- ammo would be scarce, but parts for M60 based vehicles would be problematic when almost all of your fleet of tanks and tank like vehicles are M1s and M1 derivatives. Same thing if you include the Sgt Yorks in the force mix at all (which, despite its real world failure, I always loved the twin 40mm's in game play . . .)

Lower readiness 'Guard units that have a lot of '60s (or even 48s) might be able to keep CEVs up and running better.

At one point the CEVs were actually pulled from the engineer battalions and placed in depot storage for either overseas sales or disposal. When Iraq kicked off, it turned out that there really was a need for the 165mm demo gun and the ole CEV got pulled back into service.

Now that things are winding down, the remaining CEVs are, once again being sent back to depot storage, although Saudi Arabia picked up some 24 of them.

By the way....the last M-67 was finally disposed of by the USMC....that's the flame gun version of the old M-48A3, they have been sitting in storage out in California all of these years.

[kalos72]

Whats your take on HMMWV numbers and other support vehicles?

[Legbreaker]

As many or as few as the GM wants to include.

They're VERY common to begin with, but on the other hand they're extremely vulnerable to enemy fire and easily destroyed, so it's really a GM's call I'd say based on about a thousand factors.

An infantry Division in one place may be down to their last dozen softskins, while down the road, a carbon copy unit (prewar) may have a hundred or more - all depends on what they've been through in the previous 5 years, how much they were resupplied, how good the mechanics and scroungers are, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc.....