British 7th Armoured Brigade

[dude_uk]

Cracking work James, I also tracked down your article on the 44th Airborne Brigade which I have just finished reading.

One spelling error, you spelt fusiliers as 'fusileers' a couple of times.

One further thing you said you used the 2010 ORBAT as the starting off point rather than a Late 80's/early 90's ORBAT, why was this? I just enquired because you used the early 80's designation of medical regiments rather than field ambulances.

Whats next on the cards?

[James Langham]

Originally Posted by dude_uk

Cracking work James, I also tracked down your article on the 44th Airborne Brigade which I have just finished reading.

One spelling error, you spelt fusiliers as 'fusileers' a couple of times.

One further thing you said you used the 2010 ORBAT as the starting off point rather than a Late 80's/early 90's ORBAT, why was this? I just enquired because you used the early 80's designation of medical regiments rather than field ambulances.

Whats next on the cards?

Will correct spelling errors on next draft - for some reason spelling checker did not pick it up.

I used the 2010 orbat simply as it was handy when I started!

Next I'm working on an article on British MBTs and variants (unless I find a short article to write as a break!).

[Louied]

Hey James,
Here are a couple of files that might help you
The first is from correspondence with the RAC Museum and the second is RAC deployments since 1948Planned Household Cavalry and RAC Deployment as at Jan 1992.doc

uk_armdregt_deploymentssince1948.pdf

[James Langham]

Revised version - thanks for the comments. Still happy to add further changes if anyone else spots faults.

[Raellus]

Really entertaining read. Very realistic and believable. Great work, James.

[95th Rifleman]

I noticed an ommision on the attached units list. A brigade tends to get an ADA battery attached. In '96 this would of most likely been a javelin LML battery which would of been replaced by a stormer battery carrying the starstreak HVM around the end of '97 beginning of '98.

[Legbreaker]

Originally Posted by 95th Rifleman

In '96 this would of most likely been a javelin LML battery which would of been replaced by a stormer battery carrying the starstreak HVM around the end of '97 beginning of '98.

Provided production post nuke could have made this possible. I'm sure a number of units would have been upgraded, but the newer weapons are likely to see service only around the front lines.

[95th Rifleman]

Originally Posted by Legbreaker

Provided production post nuke could have made this possible. I'm sure a number of units would have been upgraded, but the newer weapons are likely to see service only around the front lines.

The British army only had 2 armoured divisions in 96 (we are down to just one these days as most of the old tank regimenst have been either disbanded or converted to CVR(T)s). So I think both these divisons would get priority on equipment.

The infantry divisions would of gotten the cast offs, some may even end up with the old Blowpipes left over from the 80's.

[James Langham]

Originally Posted by 95th Rifleman

I noticed an ommision on the attached units list. A brigade tends to get an ADA battery attached. In '96 this would of most likely been a javelin LML battery which would of been replaced by a stormer battery carrying the starstreak HVM around the end of '97 beginning of '98.

I had assumed that these were at divisional level and attached as required. I'll have to look at 1st (UK) Armoured as a whole I think.

[95th Rifleman]

Originally Posted by James Langham

I had assumed that these were at divisional level and attached as required. I'll have to look at 1st (UK) Armoured as a whole I think.

ADA assets are attached at brigade level in the British army with each brigade assighned an ADA battery which is then assighned as needed by the Brigade commander.

British ADA is split into two catergories. You have the Rapiers which are used at higher level to defend HQ's, depots, fixed artillery and airfields.

The second catergory is the more portable SAMs used at brigade level for defence against low flying fixed wing aircraft and rotary wing aircraft. The British use the LML system (which is essentilay 3 shoulder-launched SAMs on a tripod). However it is also mounted on the Alvis Stormer which is the version used by the two brigades of 1st Armoured.

Back in the 80's we had Blowpipe ut that was replaced by the Javelin (no relation to the ATGM). In the late 90's Britain abandoned conventional heat seeking/radar guided systems for the Starstreak HMV which fires 3 high velocity darts and relies on kinetic rather than explosive force. They are guided via a laser beam fired from the launching platform (either the vehicle, LML or the shoulder launch unit).

Some of the confusion arises as an ADA regiment is assighned at divisonal level and then split up to be given to the Brigade before being chopped up further and assighned on to battlegroups. however they operate with the brigade and battlegroups and come under Brigade command.

[Rainbow Six]

Originally Posted by James Langham

I had assumed that these were at divisional level and attached as required. I'll have to look at 1st (UK) Armoured as a whole I think.

I have a book at home (today is first day back at work after two weeks leave ) called BAOR: An Organisational History 1947 - 2004, which is extremely detailed down to Battalion level and including Signals, Logistics, etc, so can post a full orbat for the 1st (UK) Armoured when I get home later. RAC Regiments / Infantry Battalions would vary due to Arms Plotting but it would give an idea of what the Division would look like.