Nuking Mexico's Oil

[RN7]

Originally Posted by Mohoender

You are right about cruise missile capability from submarines or ships but you forgot about the ASMP (altough not a cruise missile strictly speaking). 60 had been deployed with nuclear warheads from 1986 and in T2K more would certainly have been built. I would expect France to have between 150 and 200 ASMP with nuclear warheads. Range is about 400km and speed is Mach 3.

Then, you can expect to have one or two being launched at Mexico, using a specialy modified commercial aircraft operating from Guadeloupe or Martinique. An Airbus could be used but it is highly vulnerable and I would expect France to use 1 or 2 Dassault Falcon 200. After all, what we are talking about here is a covert operation. I don't buy the idea but if I did, I would go in that direction.

More practical to just launch them from a Mirage, but anyways if they are air launched and the aircraft are taking off from French Carribean Islands their going to be tracked. Sub launched missiles are less traceable.

[Legbreaker]

They're only likely to be tracked pre November 1997. After that it's very likely nothing will be left capable of tracking anything, or those few scattered facilities will be so far out of communication with anyone that counts as to be effectively useless for strategic purposes.
It could even be as early as July 1997 that tracking is problematic at best given the wholesale nuking of China and limited usage in Europe which begins around then.

EMP (especially in T2K) is a leather clad, whip wielding, stiletto wearing bitch....

[natehale1971]

Originally Posted by Legbreaker

EMP (especially in T2K) is a leather clad, whip wielding, stiletto wearing bitch....

"She's one sexy Biiiitchhhe." (my best impression of Gabriel Iglesias saying it)

[Mohoender]

Originally Posted by RN7

More practical to just launch them from a Mirage, but anyways if they are air launched and the aircraft are taking off from French Carribean Islands their going to be tracked. Sub launched missiles are less traceable.

I agree but its less fun. We don't have intelligence agencies as perverted as the CIA or the KGB. Even UK has James Bond, could you this time let us have some fun.

[Panther Al]

Originally Posted by Mohoender

I agree but its less fun. We don't have intelligence agencies as perverted as the CIA or the KGB. Even UK has James Bond, could you this time let us have some fun.

*cough* Rainbow Warrior *cough*

[LAW0306]

Mohoender France gets just as dirty as the rest of us that Why I respect them.dont hide it let it out and be proud. The rainbow warrior was a good hit.

[LAW0306]

And if you dont think your boys are in Lybia right now??? i DONT KNOW WHAT TO SAY....... All of a sudden the NATO air strikes got real accurate. That means men on the ground guideing them...good on them who ever is doing it I would buy them a beer.

[Panther Al]

Agreed, France's security and intelligence services are perhaps the dirtiest players out there: but also some of the most successful as they play to win, not to avoid headlines. Rainbow Warrior was an Act Of War: No two ways about it. Credit to France to having the fortitude to do what they felt had to be done no matter what, but it was a dirty deed that broke all the rules. The shameful part was that the US refused to condemn France for its actions: Which is why NZ pulled back from dealings with the US in my opinion. This is what in my mind really put the kabosh on arms purchases of US made weapons, such as the cancelled F16 purchase. Oddly enough, the leader of the Rainbow Warrior attack now works at a senior level for FN: Which is perhaps the biggest supplier of New Zealand's firearms.

[Mohoender]

LOL, I agree... Stop shooting, I surrender.

[Targan]

Originally Posted by LAW0306

Mohoender France gets just as dirty as the rest of us that Why I respect them.dont hide it let it out and be proud. The rainbow warrior was a good hit.

Hey Law, you know I have a great deal of respect for you but that last comment stings. The sinking of the Rainbow Warrior is still a sore point for New Zealanders. The only modern day terrorist attack on New Zealand soil and it was committed by the French. I know the scale is very different, but to a Kiwi like me, you saying in open forum that the bombing and sinking of the Rainbow Warrior was a "good hit" is like how an American might feel if I were to say that 9/11 was a "job well done".

For the record I think the 9/11 attacks were abhorrent and evil acts. Terrorism is terrorism, in Auckland or Manhattan.

[RN7]

Originally Posted by Mohoender

I agree but its less fun. We don't have intelligence agencies as perverted as the CIA or the KGB. Even UK has James Bond, could you this time let us have some fun.

Go and have a look at what your French intelligence compatriots get up to Mo. Talking about the cat calling the kettle black! Jeez!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Service...tre-Espionnage
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Directi..._du_territoire
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Directi...%A9n%C3%A9raux
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Directo...ity#Activities

[LAW0306]

Targan you are right. I was looking at it from a military view not a country view. I did not think the Rainbow warrior was a New Zealand ship. From my research she was registered out oh the Netherlands, and that she was just making a port call in New Zealand and no New Zealanders were hurt in the bombing that it was confined to the ship!, but a man returned to the ship after the bombing and tried to board and was killed in the ship while it was going down. He was of Portuguese of origin.....If my facts are wrong please inform me..... I like to speak the truth.....

[Mohoender]

RN7, I was not being serious.

[Targan]

Originally Posted by LAW0306

Targan you are right. I was looking at it from a military view not a country view. I did not think the Rainbow warrior was a New Zealand ship. From my research she was registered out oh the Netherlands, and that she was just making a port call in New Zealand and no New Zealanders were hurt in the bombing that it was confined to the ship!, but a man returned to the ship after the bombing and tried to board and was killed in the ship while it was going down. He was of Portuguese of origin.....If my facts are wrong please inform me..... I like to speak the truth.....

You are absolutely correct on those facts Law. But it was the bombing of a civilian ship in a New Zealand port. I think part of the reason New Zealanders get so upset about the Rainbow Warrior bombing is that per capita of population, New Zealand had more casualties defending France in WWI than any other country on the planet. New Zealand regards France as a friendly nation. We Kiwis get a bit pissed off when a friendly nation engages in a terrorist act on New Zealand soil.

Just to rub it in the French put those responsible for the bombing on a beach in French Polynesia for a couple of years as "punishment" then set them free.

[Panther Al]

Originally Posted by Targan

You are absolutely correct on those facts Law. But it was the bombing of a civilian ship in a New Zealand port. I think part of the reason New Zealanders get so upset about the Rainbow Warrior bombing is that per capita of population, New Zealand had more casualties defending France in WWI than any other country on the planet. New Zealand regards France as a friendly nation. We Kiwis get a bit pissed off when a friendly nation engages in a terrorist act on New Zealand soil.

Just to rub it in the French put those responsible for the bombing on a beach in French Polynesia for a couple of years as "punishment" then set them free.

And only the two that was caught redhanded, with the female half even having her husband stay with her. Some 'prison' that was- the rest got off Scott free, even though it was obvious they was involved. No knock on the Aussies - they couldn't hold the three they caught long enough for the results of the forensics to come back.

[Legbreaker]

Yes, us Australians have these little things called "law" and "due process" which get in the way sometimes. Mind you, I prefer a few terrorists and spies slipping away than have an entire prison network set up to hold people simply suspected of doing something naughty. If the evidence is there to hold them though, I'm all for twenty foot high electrified razor wire and machinegun towers.