Homosexuals in the military

[Fusilier]

I don't think most are trying to make it anyone's business anymore than a hetero person does. They just don't want to have to keep it hidden in fear of losing their jobs for something that isn't job performance related.

Just because you don't have to hide something doesn't mean it's becomes an issue. Only other people with issues with it do that in most cases. Sort of like complaining that it is being forced down people's throats... as opposed to what hetero people do in public.

[natehale1971]

Originally Posted by Fusilier

I don't think most are trying to make it anyone's business anymore than a hetero person does. They just don't want to have to keep it hidden in fear of losing their jobs for something that isn't job performance related.

Just because you don't have to hide something doesn't mean it's becomes an issue. Only other people with issues with it do that in most cases. Sort of like complaining that it is being forced down people's throats... as opposed to what hetero people do in public.

thats just it. We aren't talking about MOST. We are talking about those that make it an issue and force the issue. The 'DADTDP' policy allowed homosexuals to serve. The proof is that they have already been serving in the Armed Forces. The 'Identity Politics' that puts a single facit of life as the sole way of being identified is what is being used here. There are people who live their lives quietly and do what they do without anyone knowing anything about it, are NOT the ones we're talking about.

We're talking about the ones who throw it in everyone else's face and makes even those who might support the idea of what they are wanting feel dirty and discusted with their actions. You know, the type of person who wouldn't take no for an answer. The type of people who make it a federal case with the accusations that everything is against them because of something that is a private matter that THEY had made a public issue.

[Fusilier]

Oh ok.

However I do think there is a fringe minority with every type of group out there. Some people just want attention, even negative attention, whether it is about their sexual orientation, race, religion, etc. A rule of silence doesn't seem to help.

[Fusilier]

I can't see the gay extremists 'driving it down other people's throats' this bad though...

U.S. Soldiers Punished for Not Attending Christian Concert
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2010/08...stian-concert/

[natehale1971]

Originally Posted by Fusilier

I can't see the gay extremists 'driving it down other people's throats' this bad though...

U.S. Soldiers Punished for Not Attending Christian Concert
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2010/08...stian-concert/

while that is pretty bad, the person who did something like this will be punished. because they acted beyond their power and authority. And things like this aren't that common, while identity politics homosexual activists have stormed alot of churches, have engaged in public sex acts during gay pride parades, and other actions.

The person repsonsible for this will be punished and have no grounds to stand. But the idenity politcs activists will always fall back on accuastations of 'Homophobia' and 'Bigoitry'... because history has shown this, time and time again.

[Fusilier]

Originally Posted by natehale1971

while identity politics homosexual activists have stormed alot of churches, have engaged in public sex acts during gay pride parades, and other actions.

In the military though? In uniform?

My point was just that despite the silence being lifted off of gays in the military, I just don't see them driving that down other people's throats.

[natehale1971]

Originally Posted by Fusilier

In the military though? In uniform?

My point was just that despite the silence being lifted off of gays in the military, I just don't see them driving that down other people's throats.

Yes. I can see that. And so can my friends who are openly gay who have NOT been happy about this. While I HOPE that recruiters and induction centres will be able to keep those kinds of problems OUT of the service. But you know that if they can use the 'homophobia' excuse to make a federal case out of it.

Oh... I just checked out the website you posted that news article from, and you might want to reconsider them as a source... they're saying that Adam Gadahn is a fake member of al-Qeada, and that the Isrealis are the one who claimed to be al-Qeada threatening Iranian President Ahmadinejad for failing to give “them” credit for 9/11. Things that i've only seen on conspiracy theory news groups.

[pmulcahy11b]

Originally Posted by natehale1971

The person repsonsible for this will be punished and have no grounds to stand. But the idenity politcs activists will always fall back on accuastations of 'Homophobia' and 'Bigoitry'... because history has shown this, time and time again.

It's the US military -- no one will be punished for forcing anyone to worship in a proper Christian manner (however "proper" is defined by their superiors), except for the soldiers who speak out against it. Being a life-long atheist who's a vet, I know this from experience. There are a lot of hidden bigotries in the military, and religion is one of them.

And sorry, I couldn't figure out how to grab the quote that was the reason for Nate's answer.

[ArmySGT.]

Originally Posted by Fusilier

I can't see the gay extremists 'driving it down other people's throats' this bad though...

U.S. Soldiers Punished for Not Attending Christian Concert
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2010/08...stian-concert/

That is a Commanding General that should be Court Martial-ed. If convicted to do time, lots of time, at Ft. Leavenworth.

To be followed by each Officer and NCO that obeyed that Order, down to Corporal if necessary.

[natehale1971]

Originally Posted by ArmySGT.

That is a Commanding General that should be Court Martial-ed. If convicted to do time, lots of time, at Ft. Leavenworth.

To be followed by each Officer and NCO that obeyed that Order, down to Corporal if necessary.

Don't worry SGT, this is the rest of the story...

Army says troops wrongly punished for skipping concert
A staff sergeant erred when he banished dozens of soldiers to their barracks and ordered them to clean up after they refused to attend a Christian concert on a Virginia Army base last year, an investigation concluded.

By STEVE SZKOTAK

The Associated Press

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RICHMOND, Va. — A staff sergeant erred when he banished dozens of soldiers to their barracks and ordered them to clean up after they refused to attend a Christian concert on a Virginia Army base last year, an investigation concluded.

When the Army learned the soldiers were punished, the company commander apologized to them the next day, according to the investigation's findings, released Tuesday to The Associated Press.

The actions of the staff sergeant, who was not named, were referred back to his battalion commander for nonjudicial action, according to Col. Daniel Williams, a spokesman for the Army's Document and Training Command. He said any punishment, if it occurred, would be kept confidential.

The sergeant's actions in May 2010 at Fort Eustis in Newport News, Va., were not consistent with the voluntary nature of the concerts, Williams said.

"The command did not find sufficient evidence to indicate there was any malicious intent and therefore deferred any discipline down to the battalion command," Williams said.

Mikey Weinstein of the Military Religious Freedom Foundation, which first reported complaints by the soldiers, described the investigation's conclusion as typical for the military.

"Blame some lower-ranking enlisted guy who didn't know any better," he said. "That is just a completely inappropriate and disgraceful statement."

Weinstein called the Christian concerts "an absolute attempt to establish fundamental Christianity in the military."

Williams described them as "nondenominational with no particular religious affiliation."

Two soldiers who were punished told the AP they felt pressured to attend a performance by the Christian rock group BarlowGirl, as part of what was billed as the "Commanding General's Spiritual Fitness Concerts."

The soldiers said the staff sergeant told 200 men in their barracks they could either attend or remain confined there. They were told to not use their cellphones or personal computers and to clean up their living area.

The investigation did not dispute the soldiers' statements.

Williams said the concerts, which continue to be staged, are strictly voluntary, as they had been in May 2010.

The sergeant, Williams said, "marched a unit over to the Spiritual Fitness Concert thinking he was doing the right thing. He found out a very short time after that, no, that was not the right thing to do. He was corrected."

About 20, including several Muslims, refused to attend based on religious beliefs, the solder said.

Since then, the Army has reinforced the volunteer nature of the concerts through e-mails and training, Williams said.